Ken Penders Sperging

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In another note, I'm unsure if I stated this awhile back but there's a team that does pick up where the issues left of with Archie, but likely with better writing. I haven't seen enough to clarify if it's 'good or bad' concept, but anyone can write and draw better than Ken Penders.


Edit: I should add that they do use Ken Penders' characters in this comic still, but because there's no money involved in this project, he can't do anything about them using his characters. For all I know, they'll likely make them better.
 
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In another note, I'm unsure if I stated this awhile back but there's a team that does pick up where the issues left of with Archie, but likely with better writing. I haven't seen enough to clarify if it's 'good or bad' concept, but anyone can write and draw better than Ken Penders.


Edit: I should add that they do use Ken Penders' characters in this comic still, but because there's no money involved in this project, he can't do anything about them using his characters. For all I know, they'll likely make them better.
I’m aware of it but it’s technically not canon because of fat pedo and his legal shit fit plus I’m going to undo what he did
 
I’m aware of it but it’s technically not canon because of fat pedo and his legal shit fit plus I’m going to undo what he did
Undo fucking what? His characters got nuked from Archie and Archie doesn't even have the license anymore, IDW does, so none of that shit even matters. What are you gonna do, go back and time and kick Ken in the dick so he doesn't pull this shit?

In another note, I'm unsure if I stated this awhile back but there's a team that does pick up where the issues left of with Archie, but likely with better writing. I haven't seen enough to clarify if it's 'good or bad' concept, but anyone can write and draw better than Ken Penders.


Edit: I should add that they do use Ken Penders' characters in this comic still, but because there's no money involved in this project, he can't do anything about them using his characters. For all I know, they'll likely make them better.
Looking at that cover just reminds me how Penders' sperging and Archie's incompetence completely kneecapped that arc. Fuck you Penders, Ian had Knuckles story planned out for ages and you ruined it over muh oc's.
 
Ok, I missed something.
Exactly how is he a Holocaust denier? Did Sonic go "I'm the fastest thing alive and even I couldn't kill 6 million Jews that fast" or something?
 
Ok, I missed something.
Exactly how is he a Holocaust denier? Did Sonic go "I'm the fastest thing alive and even I couldn't kill 6 million Jews that fast" or something?

His reasoning was that Ken allegedly wrote some kind of story about the holocaust and shifted the blame on the GOP.

Well Kenny did a piss poor story about the holocaust and stole the holocaust poem and try to spin and blame it on the gop or something

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Looking at that cover just reminds me how Penders' sperging and Archie's incompetence completely kneecapped that arc. Fuck you Penders, Ian had Knuckles story planned out for ages and you ruined it over muh oc's.

The irony is that some people actually blame Ian for that.
 
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The irony is that some people actually blame Ian for that.
It's Ian's fault that Archie is incompetent and Ken is spiteful? I guess he could swerved sooner in case shit went south, but that's pretty bullshit to pin it on Ian when that situation was out of his control.
 
So is that a yes or something? I’m confused and plus this guy needs to be called out on his bs he attacks Ian Flynn for doing his Job and Ken Penders white knights and defender and attacks IDW’s sonic line for no other reason
Also should I add in his real name or something ?
Plz reply back

Yeah, that's gonna be a "no" from me, dawg.
 
I know that when a foreign film gets a new American distributor, the rights to the earlier English dub are sometimes handed to the new studio since the original studio, even though they paid for and created the dub, has no further use of it since they no longer have the rights to the film. I don't know if that's the case with Archie and Sega, but Penders could be telling the truth about Archie not being able to stop him. I don't know how he thinks he'll get it past Sega, however.
 
I know that when a foreign film gets a new American distributor, the rights to the earlier English dub are sometimes handed to the new studio since the original studio, even though they paid for and created the dub, has no further use of it since they no longer have the rights to the film. I don't know if that's the case with Archie and Sega, but Penders could be telling the truth about Archie not being able to stop him. I don't know how he thinks he'll get it past Sega, however.
It could be that he's getting some kind of small contract with SEGA? Who knows? After all, it was Archie, not Sega, who threw the first punch in the lawsuit. They lost big-time. Remember, SEGA cut ties with ARCHIE, not other third-parties.
 
It could be that he's getting some kind of small contract with SEGA? Who knows? After all, it was Archie, not Sega, who threw the first punch in the lawsuit. They lost big-time. Remember, SEGA cut ties with ARCHIE, not other third-parties.
Possible, but he was the one who sank the deal with Sega for SatAm to get a third season by inserting himself into it like he was big deal just to piss them off with his autism.

Actually, I'm surprised this hasn't been posted before, so I'll do it now. As far as I know these are Ben Hurst's actual words on the matter. I've highlighted the part specifically related to Penders in blue in the first quote, but it's an interesting read if you want to see how horrible the show management was.

http://www.saturdaymorningsonic.com/features/ben_hurst/?full=1 https://archive.fo/u3q8N
From the alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog newsgroup (2005):

Hello fans of SatAm,

Sonic Underground was a sad, sad story. With the opportunity looming large for the third season of SatAm, DIC made a creative decision to trash that continuity and strike out in a new direction. The reason: because they could add songs with the whole Sonic, Sonia and Manic thing and collect extra residuals from ASCAP/BMI (the group that pays song royalties - DIC makes deals with songwriters to split or sign over the rights to their compositions - exactly the same way that they force the writers and story editors to sign over all rights to their stories.)

All residual payments for cartoons go to DIC - even the royalties set aside for creative people in Europe (based on blank videotape and audio cassette sales). There have been legal battles about that (through the Writer's Guild), but the only reputable animation producer in America (to my knowledge) to hand those monies over to the writers - was Warner Brothers. I've actually received royalty checks from the European release of episodes that Pat Allee and I wrote for "Tiny Toons."

Here's how Sonic Underground happened. After SatAm was canned because of a change in leadership at ABC and low ratings caused by multiple pre-emptions caused by sporting events and finally - being placed up against the red-hot "Power Rangers," (now there's some genius programming strategy) - a new version of Sonic was created: Sonic Underground.

Did they ask me or Pat or Len Janson to develop the series? No. In fact, I never heard of the series before a DIC story editor called and asked me and Pat to come to a cattle call for Sonic Underground. I refused (we don't do cattle calls - which, for those of you unfamiliar with the term - is where they bring in about 20 writers to learn about a series and pitch written premises (for free) in hopes of snagging an episode or two). The story editor got us there by guaranteeing us at least a few episodes. So, off we went to a conference room at DIC.

We got there and yep, twenty writers. They showed an episode of SatAm (first season) to "illustrate the background" of the characters. It wasn't one of mine or Pat's - it was one of the other episodes. After they described the marvelous new direction (Siblings, Music, Missing Mother, Stupid New Characters) they ended the meeting. We were taken into another room with the story editor who told us he wanted us to write the pilot episode. We did. SEGA read the script, then the story editor was fired and we were hired. They also hired another team of story editors - who survived through about 8 episodes before they left. We also got a few fledgling writers shoved down our throat by the producer (results: I had to rewrite their damned unusable scripts from page one - they still got paid for the script - I got nada)

We tried our best to get some lore going, but DIC was racing through the series at 2 episodes a week - an insane pace and one calculated to maximize their profits. We managed to get a three-part origin story through, but with the limited time, we were unable to tie everything together. The only bright spot was that we assigned 6 scripts to Len Janson, who wrote some damn nice stuff.

So that's the saga of SU. As I rewatch some of the episodes, I'm surprised it's as good as it is. I'm fully aware it doesn't match up to SatAm and I would give my eye teeth to be hired to do the SatAm third season. But the only way for that to happen would be for some visionary exec at DIC to realize they're sitting on a gold mine.

I did consult with DIC to see if there was a way to generate some enthusiasm for a feature film to be the "Third Season" of SatAm. I was given the name of a SEGA executive and had a most pleasant conversation. She had to go to a meeting, but said she would like to talk to me more about the idea.

The next day, I got a call from Ken Penders, who had been alerted by his contact in their office that I was interested in getting a Sonic movie going. I generously offered to include him in the effort and told him my strategy. Get SEGA to become invested in the idea by hiring us to interview their creative game designers, execs, etc and see if we could develop a story line that would fulfill the third season - and simultaneously give them creative ideas to develop new games. A win-win, situation.

Then, I called SEGA back, but I was shocked when the exec "lit" into me, telling me, "People pay US to develop Sonic product, we don't pay them!" Then she hung up on me. Obviously, Penders had related my strategy to them in a less-than-flattering way. Thanks for the knife, Ken.

So, I gave up. Later, I was informed by friendly fans that Penders had written in his message board or some such place that "Ben Hurst doesn't know how movies are made in Hollywood." (Hey Ken, read "Adventures in Screenwriting" by William Goldman and get some humility) Then he dropped hints that HE would be the writer for a big Sonic Feature Film. That was three years ago.


So, if you're reading between the lines, you can see I don't hold out much hope for seeing the third season of Satam - or being the one who does it if it happens. And that makes me sad. Because if it were to happen, those 13 episodes would sizzle.

But this I've learned: Never leave a series on a cliffhanger unless you have a contract for the next year. And be more careful in my choice of people to confide in.

May this find you all in good health and spirits - and who knows? Miracles could still happen with Satam. But I think the odds of hitting the California Lotto are slightly better.

Best to all,

Ben Hurst

From the alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog newsgroup (2005):

Just for the record: Ken [Penders of Archie comics] has often said (paraphrasing here) that "Ben Hurst says the torch has been passed to me for Sonic the Hedgehog" - usually expressed in a way to make it appear that I passed the torch to him. Not true. I was just trying to be nice. What I said was that since the comic was ongoing and the animated series was over, the torch had been passed [by default] to him. I was just trying to prevent a flurry of inquiries from fans pitting his opinion against mine on how the Sonic Universe should be sculpted after SatAm ended. The way he has expressed it in the past seems to convey the impression that he has my approval of his work. He doesn't. I've not read a single comic.

Best to all,

Ben Hurst
 
His reasoning was that Ken allegedly wrote some kind of story about the holocaust and shifted the blame on the GOP.
That's retarded if true, but it's not really holocaust denial unless he's claiming it didn't happen or was smaller than generally accepted.
Also, the Democrats were in power at the time, so I don't see how the Republicans could have done this.

@OHLA Hiddell you need to come here and address these holocaust denial claims. Provide us with some specific evidence.
 
You? A "historian"? With all your "Alternative Facts"? More like a "Yellow Journalist".
I’m not going to argue with you just look
At what you did with this link someone else calling out your bs
Boom

That's exceptional if true, but it's not really holocaust denial unless he's claiming it didn't happen or was smaller than generally accepted.
Also, the Democrats were in power at the time, so I don't see how the Republicans could have done this.

@OHLA Hiddell you need to come here and address these holocaust denial claims. Provide us with some specific evidence.
Here is some of it from his Twitter and the poem he stole
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Plus atrocity denial is one of the worst things a historian can do
 
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This isn't holocaust denial, it's just Penders autism and it's hilarious.

On the other hand, Penders does replace Jew with Fox in the quote. A long-nosed animal that humans characterize as thieving and cunning.

EDIT: Whoops, the original quote began with Socialists. Thought it began with Jews.
But what penders did wouldn’t that be considered a form of anti Semitism?
 
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But what penders did wouldn’t that be considered a form of anti Semitism

No, it's just a really, REALLY fucking cringey way for him to compare his story to the holocaust. Disrespectful and the average Jew would not like what he wrote one bit, but not antisemitism.

It would be antisemitism if the target animals were portrayed as the Nazis portrayed Jews and/or Penders said their genocide was justified to free the world from the "Eternal Echidna." That would be hidden antisemitism, while what Penders did here is compare the villains to Nazis in a very hamfisted and cringey way.
 
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