Judas - Or how Ken Levine learned to stop caring and made Bioshock in space

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When Infinite came out, it was touted in the same way Last of Us Part 2 was.
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Yeah a lot of big game news outlets were giving it perfect scores. This review by Adam Sessler was peak games journalism:

Matthewmatosis did a great job picking apart all the flaws with Infinite:

My prediction for this game is it will have good art design, a story that thinks it is way smarter than it actually is, and below average core gameplay.

It seems like Ken Levine should be a Creative Director and not running the studio. There are multiple stories about his mismanagement and burnout at Ghost Story Games. The chaos behind the scenes could end up being more interesting than this game.
 
Ser Prize said:
Tell me more. Because my impression of the 80's was it was full on yuppie neo-con.
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So Neo-Con's based their model off of the New Left of the late 60s and 70s (the same way Grifter trash like Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, and Catboi Nick do today). But it took them a bit to get it right.

in 68 Paeleocons had 25% of the Primary, Neocons had 10%. Reagan however lead the popular vote in the primary (Beating Nixon. Nixon won as the canidate of unity for the party) Reagan tried again in 76 but the party wasn't ready to give gipper the keys till 1980.

it took us 12 years to get to Reaganomics.

Newt and the other Neocon Right Congressmen played a variation of the new lefts tricks to get into congress (clearing out dead wood in 74-94)

Reagan in 68 was to the left of Goldwater and the Right of Nixon. Nixon moved Right and Reagan moved to the center [ Overton window]. Reagan could have won in 68......as a great WHAT IF Scenario

The Neocons were wanting to apply Chemo for the cancer of the FDR Left (they succeeded but it came back in 08) And the Rockefeller/Romney Left of the party (that has mostly been successful)
 
Who's willing to bet this game will have worse Anti-Christian blasphemy than Bioshock Infinite?

King Vidiot said:
It seems like Ken Levine should be a Creative Director and not running the studio. There are multiple stories about his mismanagement and burnout at Ghost Story Games. The chaos behind the scenes could end up being more interesting than this game.
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Can you give the links (with archives) to these stories? I had never heard of Ghost Story Games.

Game Awards 2022 Trailer Archive:
 
I'd consider absurd to even start taking any politics in Bioshock seriously. They're just window dressing, and badly managed at that (we're talking about a game where the main moral dilemma is basically DO YOU EAT CHILDREN OR NOT, ARE YOU A BADDIE OR NOT). Everything else is clumsy at best and stupid at worst.

Bio2 tried to pull it in a different way with an interesting setup (how can a collapsed society survive ten years in the depths? Would feel-good collectivism be a proper counter to Ryan's Randian stereotypes?) but it was more successful in trying to give a bit more character depth with Eleanor, the choices with the bosses an' shit. But it had real developers behind it.

The politics of Infinite (at least the baseline game) are hilarious if one stops and checks 'em. Christians bad. Racists bad. Revolutionaries bad too. Libertarians bad. Collectivists bad. Protagonist bad. Elizabeth good! In all timelines! More Elizabeth! In a clear sign of reworks or shitty writing, you essentially jettison the entire "Columbia Bad" perspective and end up in a multiple-timeline shitfest with no clear reason or rhyme and the only important thing is Saving The Girl.

Ken Levine believes himself to be far smarter than he is. Common in the industry, after all.
 
Just by looking at the trailer from the Goyslop Awards, it's pretty clear that Ken Levine has learned nothing from Bioshock Infinite.
Let's hope that the gameplay is actually fun.

MarvinTheParanoidAndroid said:
So is Judas supposed to be the good guy in this game, or is it just a name drop of an infamous biblical figure?
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Given the creator's beliefs, probably.
 
yeah bioshock sucked and everything but the christfaggot circlejerking is starting to get a bit out of control lately
yeah what your zombie loser of a failed messiah wants is for you get mad about videogame titles you fucking retards, do go on
 
On the other hand, it makes you seethe.

Sounds like a win-win.
 
I really hate the "oh so quirky" style that modern media likes to abuse, the fact I have no idea what the fuck is happening doesn't make me intrigued and wanting so see it after 99% of media doing it turned out to be shit.
 
I don't even blame Levine for this. Yeah, he makes the same game over and over, but so do a lot of devs/creators. FromSoftware have basically been remaking the same game for a decade.

Levine seems like a down to earth guy. It's the living embodiments of the dunning kruger effect that put everything he touches on a pedestal that are the problem. In a way, Bioshock is like Silent Hill 2, a game defined by a twist, non-standard themes, and iconic monster designs that can't easily be replicated, especially when people go in expecting it.
 
...And the road to disappointment begins again. It's Russian counter part Atomic Heart comes out next month on Xbox Game Pass. That doesn't boost my confidence.
 
Bioshock was a great game. It had setting and mood galore along with pretty good gameplay. The political circlejerking was nonsense, but it at least entertained me. I liked all the people being up their own asses with high-minded talk about economic theories while they were kidnapping kids to make into vampiric stem cell factories and offing people who were inconvenient. I felt it was obvious that all pretense of morality that characters babbled about was just a veneer over complete self-serving sociopathy, that the people who were honest about it like Fontaine and Suchong were at least better than the false piety of the others, but at the end of the day it was just a bunch of total assholes in the bottom of the ocean getting what they deserved.

Bioshock 2 was a mixed bag for me. It had some really cool parts, especially the stage where you saw things like a little sister. I felt the overall story was weaker than the first, I just never really gave a fuck about the hippie cult, but I played it through and was okay with it.

Bioshock Infinite just tripped and fell down the stairs. The gameplay was worse, the gimmicks with the rails and the rifts weren't all that good, the political stuff was just dumb and not in an interesting way. I liked some of the interactions with Elizabeth and really liked her DLC since it was a giant love letter to Thief, but that was pretty much it.
 
Ser Prize said:
I'm not opposed to it in theory. Despite it's many flaws I thought We Happy Few did it okay. But this looks like shit.

Why would you expect anything but pure political propaganda from these fucks? The only Bioshock game with political nuance is 2, and that wasn't made by this white-hating rat faced cohort of jews. It was at it's worst in Infinite, as American Krogan has detailed in exhaustive and autistic detail.
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Is We Happy Few worth playing? I was really into its early trailers (I wanted 60s British Bioshock), but I heard it turned out to be a realy shitty roguelike survival crafting game.
 
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