JRPG General - Video games were never meant to be shorter than 50 hours.

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Started playing Grandia Xtreme and even if I don't really give a crap about the cast, the gameplay is next level. I probably mentioned it in this thread beforehand but I cannot believe somebody didn't just rip of Grandia's battle system and put it into a new game. Positional ATB is such a simple concept yet it's something that I only ever see in this series. I think it has a lot of potential.

This game is even more difficult than Grandia 1 and 2 so you can actually use the mechanics provided in this game. Also team tech attacks are a great addition.
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Banana Hammock said:

Saw on twitter the other day that a group recompiled Quest64. I don't know why you'd want to play it, other than curiosity or nostalgia, but I guess it's technically a JRPG.
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I don't know WHEN but I'd love to get around to Quest64 some day even if it looks and plays like shit. There weren't a whole lot of JRPGs for the N64, it's probably why most Nintenboomers don't really like JRPGs.
 
HexFag said:
I don't know WHEN but I'd love to get around to Quest64 some day even if it looks and plays like shit. There weren't a whole lot of JRPGs for the N64
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Quest 64 is bad. Its story is bad, its combat is bad, its progression system is bad. There's legitimately nothing good I can say about it. The only reason it has such a weird following is because it was on the N64, a console so starved of third-party support that people would legit pick up anything as long as it was produced in sufficient quantities to not be absurdly rare (like Ogre Battle 64 was).

Tons of kids have played it, fell off, and then wonder 20ish years later, "maybe I was just too stupid to understand RPGs" which is the root of all the DAE QUEST 64 posting you've been seeing lately.

Maybe watch a let's play if you're curious, or check out one of the many overviews of the game on Youtube. There's nothing deeper there - it's just a half-finished game rushed out to capitalize on poor third-party support for the N64 coupled with the popularity of the system in America (basically slinging slop to a captive market). The game was so bad that it actually came out in Japan after the US and Europe and the Japanese version has a little extra content because even the original developers realized that there was almost no substance in the game.

HexFag said:
it's probably why most Nintenboomers don't really like JRPGs.
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Nintenboomers are Nintenboomers by virtue of the fact that they don't like JRPGs. If you like JRPGs, you end up branching out beyond Nintendo consoles and cease being a Nintenboomer. Nintenboomers hate Japanese things and do long diatribes about how the "Japanese humor" in RPGs turns them off while they simp for more Scrimblo Bimblo slop in the vain hope of being reminded of when they were younger and their parents hadn't yet divorced.
 
Fcret said:
Quest 64 is bad.
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as hard as you are on it, you aren't hard enough, saying the games story is bad is.. well its underselling it, it feels like your an MMO with 99% of the NPC dialogue cut, your just running to towns and having about 89,817 random battles where the "gameplay" is holding the stick and running from the enemies attack after their turn is over.

you either over level, or you get curb stomped about 5 hours into the game, then you eventually level enough and your a God, but you still get availed by a billion random encounters.
 
Fcret said:
Nintenboomers are Nintenboomers by virtue of the fact that they don't like JRPGs. If you like JRPGs, you end up branching out beyond Nintendo consoles and cease being a Nintenboomer. Nintenboomers hate Japanese things and do long diatribes about how the "Japanese humor" in RPGs turns them off while they simp for more Scrimblo Bimblo slop in the vain hope of being reminded of when they were younger and their parents hadn't yet divorced.
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It's extremely ironic too because the DS, SNES, 3DS and Switch all have a great and wide selection of exclusive and non-exclusive JRPGs. It was literally a 3 generation streak of home consoles that completely changed perception of JRPGs for most Nintendo fans.
 
Zenos Yae Viator said:
as hard as you are on it, you aren't hard enough
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I don't want to oversell the criticism because if you say something is "DA WORST THING EVER!!!!111!!!1!" then people start getting into a Sonic 2006 mindset where it's a trainwreck that might be fun to experience for its badness and confusing direction.

Quest 64 is just plain bad. Flavorless bad. Like eating styrofoam.

HexFag said:
It's extremely ironic too because the DS, SNES, 3DS and Switch all have a great and wide selection of exclusive and non-exclusive JRPGs. It was literally a 3 generation streak of home consoles that completely changed perception of JRPGs for most Nintendo fans.
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Your typical Nintenboomer is an American guy in his 30s or older who remembers back when Nintendo used to do everything possible to take Japanese shit out of their games and they'll typically bitch about fire emblem characters in smash.

I think most younger Nintendo fans (DS, 3DS, and Switch kids) are more open-minded about JRPGs and stuff. The sort of guys I have in mind for "Nintenboomer" are dudes like Dunkey and Pat the NES Punk.
 
Namekian George Floyd said:
So I'm about an hour into disc 2 of Xenogears and I can immediately tell they were really rushing to compress the story of multiple games down into one which is sad because the story of disc 1 alone is basically a masterpiece.

I'm surprised this game never got an anime because it literally has multiple arcs with clearly defined beginnings, climaxes and conclusions. Billy's arc is my favorite so far, it is literally the only example of the "Evil Church" trope I can think of that was actually done really well.

Also, Jesiah is the coolest character.
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I just finished the Etones Dig site and my goodness, the best written RPG I’ve played. Love me some Jesiah in that game.
 
Fcret said:
Nintenboomers are Nintenboomers by virtue of the fact that they don't like JRPGs. If you like JRPGs, you end up branching out beyond Nintendo consoles and cease being a Nintenboomer.
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What qualifies a "Nintenboomer"? I mean just from the name alone I feel like I'd fall into that category, and I think the SNES is the second greatest console of all time (behind PS2). I mean shit one of my earliest gaming memories is my kind of a sperg cousin picking me up from school and going on and on about how he was obsessed with "Dragon Warrior" (as DQ was known here at the time). Hell my username is an SNES JRPG reference. I don't think I knew many kids that weren't playing JRPGs at the time, and only switched teams because Square did.
 
Norstein Bekkler said:
What qualifies a "Nintenboomer"? I mean just from the name alone I feel like I'd fall into that category, and I think the SNES is the second greatest console of all time (behind PS2).
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Here's some general traits:
- Overly attached to the N64 and Gamecube despite their lackluster libraries
- Obsessed with Rareware stuff
- Hate JRPGs generally (will pretend to like Earthbound)
- Hates anything Japanese that isn't put through the Nintendo normiefier to be made palatable to the most bland of American tastebuds
- Aged 30+
- Probably mostly plays western games nowadays outside of big name Nintendo releases like Mario or Zelda

There's no like, hard and fast definition for it. It's just a specific kind of guy who grew up with mainstream pre-2010s Nintendo stuff and never grew out of it. The fact that you even mentioned the PS2 at all means you're definitively not a Nintenboomer (and I'd argue that most SNES fans aren't Nintenboomers either since that was a period where Nintendo actually had really excellent third-party support).

Like I said, think guys like videogamedunkey
 
Just about done with Atelier Iris 3. Pretty good series. I was trying to rank them in my head, but they all do different things well, so it's kind of hard. I preferred the characters in the first game, though the other two weren't far behind. Can't speak for the plot, since I still have the final chapter in Iris 3, though it's felt weaker than the other two so far. The gameplay is pretty much the same in all three games, since it's all the same engine with a year or two between them. Slight differences in the battle system. I will say that I really like how Iris 3 got rid of the random encounters and just put the enemies on the map, so you can decide whether or not you want to battle them.

Which PS2 JRPG should I play next? I've been working my way through the old games I never got around to but always wanted to. I'm thinking Ar Tonelico, Mana Khemia, or Xenosaga (or maybe Xenogears, since this is apparently a spiritual successor to them) next. Maybe Radiata Stories, Rogue Galaxy, Suikoden, or Arc the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits (I played it about halfway through and then never finished it when I was a kid). There's also the first four Dot Hack games, but holy shit I hate that fucking battle system, man.
 
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Banana Hammock said:
Which PS2 JRPG should I play next? I've been working my way through the old games I never got around to but always wanted to. I'm thinking Ar Tonelico, Mana Khemia, or Xenosaga (or maybe Xenogears, since this is apparently a spiritual successor to them) next. Maybe Radiata Stories, Rogue Galaxy, Suikoden, or Arc the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits (I played it about halfway through and then never finished it when I was a kid). There's also the first four Dot Hack games, but holy shit I hate that fucking battle system, man.
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Tales of Destiny PS2 if you want a good battle system and if you've never touched a Dragon Quest game, Dragon Quest V is also on PS2 and it's GORGEOUS. Also seconding Shadow Hearts.
 
Banana Hammock said:
Which PS2 JRPG should I play next? I've been working my way through the old games I never got around to but always wanted to. I'm thinking Ar Tonelico, Mana Khemia, or Xenosaga (or maybe Xenogears, since this is apparently a spiritual successor to them) next. Maybe Radiata Stories, Rogue Galaxy, Suikoden, or Arc the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits (I played it about halfway through and then never finished it when I was a kid). There's also the first four Dot Hack games, but holy shit I hate that fucking battle system, man.
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I once spent a summer as a teenager playing Mana Khemia and it was way better than I expected. You should check it out some time.
 
Banana Hammock said:
Just about done with Atelier Iris 3. Pretty good series. I was trying to rank them in my head, but they all do different things well, so it's kind of hard. I preferred the characters in the first game, though the other two weren't far behind. Can't speak for the plot, since I still have the final chapter in Iris 3, though it's felt weaker than the other two so far. The gameplay is pretty much the same in all three games, since it's all the same engine with a year or two between them. Slight differences in the battle system. I will say that I really like how Iris 3 got rid of the random encounters and just put the enemies on the map, so you can decide whether or not you want to battle them.

Which PS2 JRPG should I play next? I've been working my way through the old games I never got around to but always wanted to. I'm thinking Ar Tonelico, Mana Khemia, or Xenosaga (or maybe Xenogears, since this is apparently a spiritual successor to them) next. Maybe Radiata Stories, Rogue Galaxy, Suikoden, or Arc the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits (I played it about halfway through and then never finished it when I was a kid). There's also the first four Dot Hack games, but holy shit I hate that fucking battle system, man.
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PS2 was sort of the Golden age of Shin Megami Tensei before the 3ds games, so i'd recommend SMT Nocturne, Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2. if you haven't.

I'd also recomend the Tales games on there too. Tales of Destiny's remake and Tales of Rebirth got english patches pretty recently.
 
Banana Hammock said:
Just about done with Atelier Iris 3. Pretty good series. I was trying to rank them in my head, but they all do different things well, so it's kind of hard. I preferred the characters in the first game, though the other two weren't far behind. Can't speak for the plot, since I still have the final chapter in Iris 3, though it's felt weaker than the other two so far. The gameplay is pretty much the same in all three games, since it's all the same engine with a year or two between them. Slight differences in the battle system. I will say that I really like how Iris 3 got rid of the random encounters and just put the enemies on the map, so you can decide whether or not you want to battle them.

Which PS2 JRPG should I play next? I've been working my way through the old games I never got around to but always wanted to. I'm thinking Ar Tonelico, Mana Khemia, or Xenosaga (or maybe Xenogears, since this is apparently a spiritual successor to them) next. Maybe Radiata Stories, Rogue Galaxy, Suikoden, or Arc the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits (I played it about halfway through and then never finished it when I was a kid). There's also the first four Dot Hack games, but holy shit I hate that fucking battle system, man.
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Mana Khemia might be good, you can see how they took the ideas from Atelier Iris 3 and applied them better in it. Though it might be too much of the same thing, depends on if you're hungry for more of that
 
Banana Hammock said:
Just about done with Atelier Iris 3. Pretty good series. I was trying to rank them in my head, but they all do different things well, so it's kind of hard. I preferred the characters in the first game, though the other two weren't far behind. Can't speak for the plot, since I still have the final chapter in Iris 3, though it's felt weaker than the other two so far. The gameplay is pretty much the same in all three games, since it's all the same engine with a year or two between them. Slight differences in the battle system. I will say that I really like how Iris 3 got rid of the random encounters and just put the enemies on the map, so you can decide whether or not you want to battle them.

Which PS2 JRPG should I play next? I've been working my way through the old games I never got around to but always wanted to. I'm thinking Ar Tonelico, Mana Khemia, or Xenosaga (or maybe Xenogears, since this is apparently a spiritual successor to them) next. Maybe Radiata Stories, Rogue Galaxy, Suikoden, or Arc the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits (I played it about halfway through and then never finished it when I was a kid). There's also the first four Dot Hack games, but holy shit I hate that fucking battle system, man.
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Atelier Iris 3 was a bit step down from 2, but was still great. God damn it there were so many good games for the PS2. I'd recommend Dark Cloud 2 if you haven't yet. Mana Khemia is fantastic. Wild Arms 4 and 2 are great.

Ar Tonelico has the best soundtrack to a game but you should make sure the third entry is possible to emulate.
 
Fcret said:
Overly attached to the N64 and Gamecube despite their lackluster libraries
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Ah yeah that wasn't me at all. I played a bit of N64 at friends' houses, and I liked some of the friends slop racers like Snowboard Kids/2 and Diddy Kong Racing, and I think I remember liking Bomberman 64, but the only RPG in its entire library that ever interested me was Ogre Battle 64.

Never owned an N64, and only bought a GameCube to play Skies of Arcadia which I promptly got bored of in about half an hour lol. I sold the cube for $25 to GameStop(or was it EB games then?) to pay a parking ticket in college. I think the only games I actually liked were Resident Evil 4 and Metroid Prime.

Idk, never really been into any of their first party titles. Zelda does absolutely nothing for me because it's a series that screams to me that it should have action RPG character progression systems, but doesn't. I liked LttP, that's it. Ocarina of Time can suck a fat cock. Never played Majora's Mask, but its fanboys can go ahead and give the OoT fan a reach around while they're fellating Ninty. As far as other first party shit goes, I've never really given a shit about platformers. The SNES DKC games were fine and I like Mario as well enough as the next guy. I liked the Kirby games and classic Metroid but that's about it as far as first party goes for me.


In other news, I got a $50 Google play card for Christmas and bought the new Dragon Quest Monsters game. Apparently it runs better on phones than it does the fuckin Switch lol. It's been okay so far I guess but I'm not too into the seasonal mechanics and the monster designs don't really impress me. Rolling around with a duck with a mohawk, a slime (he the MVP), a bat and some fuckin vegan dragon. I'll keep playing because it was thirty fuckin dollars, but shit the pacing is abysmally slow. I wanted to go to bed last night and had to sit through fifteen fuckin minutes of cutscenes before I could save.
 
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