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lowkey said:
The idea for this thread started exactly the same way in what I think was the Sargon thread. It wasn't my idea, I just thought it'd be worth doing.

Strange to see I agree almost to a tee with your perception of both Saad and Harris, though I wouldn't know if you've pegged Harris audience right or not.
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JBP simply isn't an asshole. He's an amiable, mild-mannered guy with incoherent ideas in his head. Gad Saad is a straight-up asshole (even if I agree with him on most things) and Sam Harris is incredibly arrogant. I'm serious when I defend JBP's personality; I disagree with him more than most of the rest by a very wide margin but I think he's straight up a decent person. JBP is actually the sort of person I used to go after the most back in the day, but I've become increasingly disenchanted with the "skeptic" (think pre-Sargon GGer stuff and more James Randi) and intellectual communities I would normally be a part of, because they do sometimes have dogmas in their own special way (see Harris's disingenuous morality). JBP does not have the qualities I loathed in the old skeptic movement, even if his ideas are infinitely dumber.

Speaking of Harris and morality, his methods of reasoning on that aren't that far from the muddled techniques and misunderstandings of JBP. I'm pretty sure Harris has a JBP moment similar to JBP asking what he means by the definition of truth. Probably something like, "well, what does objective morality mean?"

I believe they both sincerely think they have good arguments, so I don't think Sam is willfully misleading either. He's just not as smart as he thinks he is, the fart huffer.

Out of all three Gad Saad is the biggest prick. I wouldn't be surprised if one of his grad students complained somewhere that he stole credit for some of their work, he's definitely the type.
 
fuckusruckus said:
Speaking of Sam, how has he avoided a thread here? He's pretty similar to Peterson except he's been on the pop-intellectual scene longer, has way less credibility in his field (basically faked his PhD, his thesis was absolutely awful and it was based on experiments he didn't even carry out yet he still calls himself a neuroscientist), loses every debate or intellectual engagement he takes part in, has his own little cult, insists that his mastery of science and logic can derive objective moral values, looks like Ben Stiller, ect.
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Sam isn't all that well known.

He basically just makes a name for himself pointing out basic facts about Islam being insane and disappears. Peterson on the other hand talks about all aspects of philosophy and psychology as it relates to our everyday lives and tries to maintain a constant presence in his fans lives.

Nobody went around treating Harris like he was a new prophet.
 
Apoth42 said:
Sam isn't all that well known.

He basically just makes a name for himself pointing out basic facts about Islam being insane and disappears. Peterson on the other hand talks about all aspects of philosophy and psychology as it relates to our everyday lives and tries to maintain a constant presence in his fans lives.

Nobody went around treating Harris like he was a new prophet.
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They did when he wrote his book, Letter to a Christian Nation, which I will admit I've never read nor really care to. He was an absolute nobody, I'm not sure why HIS book out of all of them propelled him to fame.

lowkey said:
though I wouldn't know if you've pegged Harris audience right or not.
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Forgot to respond to this. Harris's fanbase seems to be way more mature, demonstrably by /r/samharris. Most of the discussion there is dry with no memeing. and nobody there seems to be afraid of disagreeing with Sam.
 
ExceptionallyExceptional said:
You're not a newfag, you know how shit works here. Proof or blow it out your ass.

Same for you, @lowkey. If you've got proof of some sped quitting his job because of Jordan Peterson you should post that shit. Dox the fucker if you have to, anyone who quits their job to become a singer because of Peterson might very well be a lolcow we can all have a laugh at.

Otherwise it's all worthless hearsay.
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I don't have a story like that but this Reddit user torpedoed a relationship with his girlfriend in college over being a fanatic of JP. At least I hope this is real.

https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/9pan7h/i_took_my_girlfriend_to_see_jordan_peterson/

It did not go as well as I hoped. Let me give you a bit of a back story. I am using a throwaway because my girlfriend knows my main Reddit.

I found out about Jordan Peterson about a year ago and since then I became a huge fan. I was never a big reader, but I got all of his books. (They are the only books on my bookshelf and also a book about John F. Kennedy my aunt gave me but I never read. So I don't have many books and its a small shelf.)

I am 19 years old now. I met my girlfriend when we were 17 in high school. When I was 18 I moved out and began to go to the local university. My girlfriend is the same age as I am and she started classes there too. When I moved out is around the time I started reading Dr. Peterson's work and I took the battle against chaos to heart. Mostly because I was a very messy person before. So I kept my new room very clean (I have a roommate who helps) and I was finally able to decorate it the way that I wanted since I moved out. Mostly I kept it simple and tasteful but I also have a big poster of Dr. Peterson in my room.

When I began to see how important Dr. Peterson had become in my life I started trying to get my girlfriend interested. But she did not seem very interested. I thought he could help her a lot, because when we met and she lived at home she was a very messy and chaotic person also. We both were then. Since she moved out also and got a roommate it has gotten even worse for her. I would say her room is about fifty percent messier than it was. She is slouching a lot. She is also very disorganized with her classes and note taking (somehow she is still getting all As, I got all As too my first semester but I also got two Cs). I can't even read or understand the notes she takes for her class. I tried to tell her to be more organized and less chaotic with it, that it would help her more, but I think it got annoying for her to hear it.

Anyway when we would hang out I would try to get her to listen to Dr. Peterson's lectures but it always seemed like a chore or like she didn't really want to. I found it really frustrating because he was so inspiring for me. Eventually I stopped putting them on because I would hear and see her sigh in an exaggerated way when I would put YouTube on with his lectures.

Not long ago it was coming up on the day that we met (our anniversary) and we had a nice dinner at a seafood place we both really like. A few days later I got us tickets to see Dr. Peterson speak. I had hoped that it would be better than the videos. She seemed excited to go and we had a nice night together.

The next day we didn't talk, which is normal these days with school and stuff. I sent her a text message the day after and she didn't respond which I thought was weird. Then I did it the day after and still no response. She didn't write back to me for four days! Until I sent her a long message just asking for an explanation for why she ghosted me or at least let me know she is okay.

A few days later she finally sent me a long email. She said that she wanted some space and that she needed to think. That things were changing and that they weren't the same as they were. She actually blamed Dr. Peterson for changing me! Which is true but I thought I changed for the better. She said I was being really strict with the cleanliness now and that I was saying too much about her being messy. That I wasn't fun any more. And also she said that she wanted to see other people and that she wasn't sure I was the person she wanted to be with forever in a relationship. This was very disappointing to see her go against monogamous relationships.

That isn't all though. I talked to a mutual friend of ours and she told me some things really candidly. Our friend said that after seeing Jordan Peterson in person my girlfriend was really weirded out. Because I cried a little bit there and there were other men crying too. (I didn't think this was fair, there is no shame in crying.) Also that she felt like following Dr. Peterson's advice made me kind of less fun and more boring than how I was when we met at 17. Basically that she thought I became a little too "obsessed" with him. She also said that my girlfriend thought some of the things Dr. Peterson said about relationships were chauvinistic and unrealistic. And then she (not my girlfriend but our friend) said she researched Dr. Peterson and that he hated women and kind of scolded me. I told her that was just SJW/Cultural Marxist propaganda, that Dr. Peterson wasn't really like that and she just didn't understand him. She said I was "talking down" to her and that is why my girlfriend left me. (I don't think she left me she never said she didn't want to see me any more btw.)

Anyway what do I do? How do I fix this and get our friend and my girlfriend to be okay with Dr. Peterson?
 
Sam is indeed, extraordinarily boring. He's meditated himself into a walking coma, so that even when he's clearly mad at people, like Ezra Klein this year, the drama is still bland as fuck. Sam's dipshittedness over the years is only on a par with Dawkins', the difference between the two is that Dawkins was a credible scientist and wrote some genuinely awesome science books, while Sam is a trust-fund baby who paid for a PhD and has done no research since. He tried to write a book on morality, but daddy Dan Dennett had to take him aside and berate him for trying to do philosophy without doing any homework.

JBP, on the other hand, is a giant insane cartoon, and I love him for it.
 
Richard Stabone said:
I don't have a story like that but this Reddit user torpedoed a relationship with his girlfriend in college over being a fanatic of JP. At least I hope this is real.

https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/9pan7h/i_took_my_girlfriend_to_see_jordan_peterson/

It did not go as well as I hoped. Let me give you a bit of a back story. I am using a throwaway because my girlfriend knows my main Reddit.

I found out about Jordan Peterson about a year ago and since then I became a huge fan. I was never a big reader, but I got all of his books. (They are the only books on my bookshelf and also a book about John F. Kennedy my aunt gave me but I never read. So I don't have many books and its a small shelf.)

I am 19 years old now. I met my girlfriend when we were 17 in high school. When I was 18 I moved out and began to go to the local university. My girlfriend is the same age as I am and she started classes there too. When I moved out is around the time I started reading Dr. Peterson's work and I took the battle against chaos to heart. Mostly because I was a very messy person before. So I kept my new room very clean (I have a roommate who helps) and I was finally able to decorate it the way that I wanted since I moved out. Mostly I kept it simple and tasteful but I also have a big poster of Dr. Peterson in my room.

When I began to see how important Dr. Peterson had become in my life I started trying to get my girlfriend interested. But she did not seem very interested. I thought he could help her a lot, because when we met and she lived at home she was a very messy and chaotic person also. We both were then. Since she moved out also and got a roommate it has gotten even worse for her. I would say her room is about fifty percent messier than it was. She is slouching a lot. She is also very disorganized with her classes and note taking (somehow she is still getting all As, I got all As too my first semester but I also got two Cs). I can't even read or understand the notes she takes for her class. I tried to tell her to be more organized and less chaotic with it, that it would help her more, but I think it got annoying for her to hear it.

Anyway when we would hang out I would try to get her to listen to Dr. Peterson's lectures but it always seemed like a chore or like she didn't really want to. I found it really frustrating because he was so inspiring for me. Eventually I stopped putting them on because I would hear and see her sigh in an exaggerated way when I would put YouTube on with his lectures.

Not long ago it was coming up on the day that we met (our anniversary) and we had a nice dinner at a seafood place we both really like. A few days later I got us tickets to see Dr. Peterson speak. I had hoped that it would be better than the videos. She seemed excited to go and we had a nice night together.

The next day we didn't talk, which is normal these days with school and stuff. I sent her a text message the day after and she didn't respond which I thought was weird. Then I did it the day after and still no response. She didn't write back to me for four days! Until I sent her a long message just asking for an explanation for why she ghosted me or at least let me know she is okay.

A few days later she finally sent me a long email. She said that she wanted some space and that she needed to think. That things were changing and that they weren't the same as they were. She actually blamed Dr. Peterson for changing me! Which is true but I thought I changed for the better. She said I was being really strict with the cleanliness now and that I was saying too much about her being messy. That I wasn't fun any more. And also she said that she wanted to see other people and that she wasn't sure I was the person she wanted to be with forever in a relationship. This was very disappointing to see her go against monogamous relationships.

That isn't all though. I talked to a mutual friend of ours and she told me some things really candidly. Our friend said that after seeing Jordan Peterson in person my girlfriend was really weirded out. Because I cried a little bit there and there were other men crying too. (I didn't think this was fair, there is no shame in crying.) Also that she felt like following Dr. Peterson's advice made me kind of less fun and more boring than how I was when we met at 17. Basically that she thought I became a little too "obsessed" with him. She also said that my girlfriend thought some of the things Dr. Peterson said about relationships were chauvinistic and unrealistic. And then she (not my girlfriend but our friend) said she researched Dr. Peterson and that he hated women and kind of scolded me. I told her that was just SJW/Cultural Marxist propaganda, that Dr. Peterson wasn't really like that and she just didn't understand him. She said I was "talking down" to her and that is why my girlfriend left me. (I don't think she left me she never said she didn't want to see me any more btw.)

Anyway what do I do? How do I fix this and get our friend and my girlfriend to be okay with Dr. Peterson?
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Holy fuck.

I thought for sure this was going to end with "Be careful not to make my mistake" or "How do I move on?"

I didn't expect it would end with "How do I get my ex to be okay with jordan peterson?"
 
cecograph said:
Sam is indeed, extraordinarily boring. He's meditated himself into a walking coma, so that even when he's clearly mad at people, like Ezra Klein this year, the drama is still bland as fuck. Sam's dipshittedness over the years is only on a par with Dawkins', the difference between the two is that Dawkins was a credible scientist and wrote some genuinely awesome science books, while Sam is a trust-fund baby who paid for a PhD and has done no research since. He tried to write a book on morality, but daddy Dan Dennett had to take him aside and berate him for trying to do philosophy without doing any homework.

JBP, on the other hand, is a giant insane cartoon, and I love him for it.
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Dawkins is fine outside politics (for the very most part).

Seconded on JBP being a cartoon.
 
Greatest quote of the dude's post.

"(I don't think she left me she never said she didn't want to see me any more btw.) "

:feels: :feels: :feels: He's still so young. Hopefully he'll grow up soon.
 
Richard Stabone said:
I don't have a story like that but this Reddit user torpedoed a relationship with his girlfriend in college over being a fanatic of JP. At least I hope this is real.

https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/9pan7h/i_took_my_girlfriend_to_see_jordan_peterson/

It did not go as well as I hoped. Let me give you a bit of a back story. I am using a throwaway because my girlfriend knows my main Reddit.

I found out about Jordan Peterson about a year ago and since then I became a huge fan. I was never a big reader, but I got all of his books. (They are the only books on my bookshelf and also a book about John F. Kennedy my aunt gave me but I never read. So I don't have many books and its a small shelf.)

I am 19 years old now. I met my girlfriend when we were 17 in high school. When I was 18 I moved out and began to go to the local university. My girlfriend is the same age as I am and she started classes there too. When I moved out is around the time I started reading Dr. Peterson's work and I took the battle against chaos to heart. Mostly because I was a very messy person before. So I kept my new room very clean (I have a roommate who helps) and I was finally able to decorate it the way that I wanted since I moved out. Mostly I kept it simple and tasteful but I also have a big poster of Dr. Peterson in my room.

When I began to see how important Dr. Peterson had become in my life I started trying to get my girlfriend interested. But she did not seem very interested. I thought he could help her a lot, because when we met and she lived at home she was a very messy and chaotic person also. We both were then. Since she moved out also and got a roommate it has gotten even worse for her. I would say her room is about fifty percent messier than it was. She is slouching a lot. She is also very disorganized with her classes and note taking (somehow she is still getting all As, I got all As too my first semester but I also got two Cs). I can't even read or understand the notes she takes for her class. I tried to tell her to be more organized and less chaotic with it, that it would help her more, but I think it got annoying for her to hear it.

Anyway when we would hang out I would try to get her to listen to Dr. Peterson's lectures but it always seemed like a chore or like she didn't really want to. I found it really frustrating because he was so inspiring for me. Eventually I stopped putting them on because I would hear and see her sigh in an exaggerated way when I would put YouTube on with his lectures.

Not long ago it was coming up on the day that we met (our anniversary) and we had a nice dinner at a seafood place we both really like. A few days later I got us tickets to see Dr. Peterson speak. I had hoped that it would be better than the videos. She seemed excited to go and we had a nice night together.

The next day we didn't talk, which is normal these days with school and stuff. I sent her a text message the day after and she didn't respond which I thought was weird. Then I did it the day after and still no response. She didn't write back to me for four days! Until I sent her a long message just asking for an explanation for why she ghosted me or at least let me know she is okay.

A few days later she finally sent me a long email. She said that she wanted some space and that she needed to think. That things were changing and that they weren't the same as they were. She actually blamed Dr. Peterson for changing me! Which is true but I thought I changed for the better. She said I was being really strict with the cleanliness now and that I was saying too much about her being messy. That I wasn't fun any more. And also she said that she wanted to see other people and that she wasn't sure I was the person she wanted to be with forever in a relationship. This was very disappointing to see her go against monogamous relationships.

That isn't all though. I talked to a mutual friend of ours and she told me some things really candidly. Our friend said that after seeing Jordan Peterson in person my girlfriend was really weirded out. Because I cried a little bit there and there were other men crying too. (I didn't think this was fair, there is no shame in crying.) Also that she felt like following Dr. Peterson's advice made me kind of less fun and more boring than how I was when we met at 17. Basically that she thought I became a little too "obsessed" with him. She also said that my girlfriend thought some of the things Dr. Peterson said about relationships were chauvinistic and unrealistic. And then she (not my girlfriend but our friend) said she researched Dr. Peterson and that he hated women and kind of scolded me. I told her that was just SJW/Cultural Marxist propaganda, that Dr. Peterson wasn't really like that and she just didn't understand him. She said I was "talking down" to her and that is why my girlfriend left me. (I don't think she left me she never said she didn't want to see me any more btw.)

Anyway what do I do? How do I fix this and get our friend and my girlfriend to be okay with Dr. Peterson?
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Holy shit, that was fucking autistic as shit to read. The leap in logic that guy made.
"she said that she wanted to see other people and that she wasn't sure I was the person she wanted to be with forever in a relationship. This was very disappointing to see her go against monogamous relationships."
The fact that he's not "THE ONE she wants to be with forever" is just conflated with her going against monogamous relationships when it sounds like she wants a monogamous relationship with someone less of a lobster boy.
As one of those commenters on Reddit put it:
"The fact that you construed "see other people" as her embracing polygamy is comical.

She's leaving you, and for good cause. She outperforms you academically and yet here you are trying to get her to conform to how YOU live your life."

And yeah, this dude sounds like he is pretty much a cultist. Peterson may not be leading a cult, but he definitely has cultist-like followers.
 
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Oh boy.
 
This is Peterson's twitter avatar.

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It's a "very complicated image. It's actually a three-dimensional representation of a two-dimensional representation of a four-dimensional object." When printed onto a carpet, Peterson values it at 2000 dollars:

https://archive.fo/7gqPq
 

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Sinners Sandwich said:
This will not end well
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I don't think either are incompetent. Rubin is a nice guy but kinda derpy, but he's worked hard and built up his little show that endlessly interviews objectivists and Sam Harris, and regardless that's not an easy task. I'm not sure what they're thinking since the legal hurdles are insurmountable and lobbied for by entrenched institutions. They'd need massive capital behind them. If Peter Thiel gets on board then I'll take this talk seriously, especially since Thiel was involved with Paypal.
 
flinty said:
This is Peterson's twitter avatar.

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It's a "very complicated image. It's actually a three-dimensional representation of a two-dimensional representation of a four-dimensional object." When printed onto a carpet, Peterson values it at 2000 dollars:

https://archive.fo/7gqPq
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Well, if it's going to be a limited production run (which it would, by necessity, be--because even among Lobsterboys there aren't enough who are severely autistic enough to buy a fucking JBP rug), $2000 is not a completely ridiculous price, especially if it's wool and the forms have to be hand-sculpted.

I gather that when Peterson had this one custom-made for himself, the manufacturer told him, "Hey, if you want to do a limited edition of these, we could ask $2000 apiece for them."

Now, if Peterson had any marketing savvy at all, he would have posted the pic of his own rug, then watched the reactions on social media to see if there was a legit market for a $2000 limited-edition version before saying anything at all. Or he might have just thought it over, and realized that there are limits to what you can merchandise to your fans before looking like a complete sellout (and goddamn it, that's what he should have done).

A legit rock star might get away with including a $2000 signed, limited -edition rug among the rest of their merch, for the die-hard fans. An academic psychologist who goes around telling young men to clean their rooms, and who lectures on Jungian psychology? Nah.
 
Angry New Ager said:
A legit rock star might get away with including a $2000 signed, limited -edition rug among the rest of their merch, for the die-hard fans. An academic psychologist who goes around telling young men to clean their rooms, and who lectures on Jungian psychology? Nah.
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Also it is ugly, so there's that.
 
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