💊 Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

[Lemmingwise]

You’d think the fetish so many progressives have today with the idea that they are battling “LITERAL NAZIS” that they wouldn’t hesitate to exploit the association between JP and Jung and paint him as Matthias Heinrich Göring reborn

But the people that get mad about JP as a nazi are mouthbreathing retards with little historical perspective. The more thoughtful leftist agitators understand that he represent no real threat, as for all his intent to be disagreeable quirk, he is an appeaser and leads people down a path of supporting the regimes.

He has a couple of reasonably powerful friends and a lack of powerful enemies. He even actively helps the left to be more effective if you think about all the constructive advice he has given the left audiences.

So he remained truly uncancelled and his biggest issues were with local reputation harm campaigns of activists flyering and such, and people horning and vandalising at events.

His google ban was quickly reverted and not repeated, which also suggests the same. His continued invitation to a broad media landscape from left to right similarly supports this.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Damn. That's the first time I've seen that quote.

After the war he claimed he had never been a Nazi sympathizer and any statements to that effect had been mistranslations.

Perhaps that may have been - he was Allen Dulles' source of information on Hitler's psychological condition during the war - but I find it hard to believe he didn't have any sympathies at all.

 

[Lemmingwise]

After the war he claimed he had never been a Nazi sympathizer and any statements to that effect had been mistranslations.

Perhaps that may have been - he was Allen Dulles' source of information on Hitler's psychological condition during the war - but I find it hard to believe he didn't have any sympathies at all.

Who knows. Denial of sympathies for a previous regime is just an expression of sympathies for the new regime.

It's like the old cannard. Treason never succeeds, because if it succeeds, none dare call it treason.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Excellent observations. What amazed me is that the entire time JP has been relevant (in terms of media), not one of his detractors ever pointed out the fact that Jung tried really hard to be the Psychologist of the Nazi party and after the war people considered it a scandal he didn’t get prosecuted.

If you read some of the stuff he was putting out there to distant himself and his “analytical psychology” from Freud, you can tell the man knew his audience:


Helpful context: Jung and Freud have rival programs in psychoanalysis and represent two very different methods. For Freud, all the weird shit he talks about, like how you want to murder your father so you can breed mother, is present in the unconscious and so the unconscious is responsible for all your neuroses, abrrehent thoughts and behavior. On the Freudian program you can overcome all that through rationally examining yourself under the guidance of an analyst.

Jung inverts that, rationality is the obstacle to overcome so that you can get back in touch with the primordial bedrock of humanity from which you sprang.

You’d think the fetish so many progressives have today with the idea that they are battling “LITERAL NAZIS” that they wouldn’t hesitate to exploit the association between JP and Jung and paint him as Matthias Heinrich Göring reborn.

Psychoanalisis is complete pseudoscience , its little more than horoscope reading and new age shamanism. It ultimately doesn't matter if its associated to nazis or not, being a modern psicologist and using psychoanalisis as a basis is embarassing by itself.

Jung is only interesting from a literary point of view thats why people that like media analisis sperg over him and freud but its all bogus opinion based philosophy. Jordan Peterson doesn't even seem to have a good grasp of it, its all mumbo jumbo that he namedrops as part of his long tangets that go nowhere.

 

[The REAL Hatsune Miku]

Where is your Peterson now?

 

[Captain Syrup]

Where is your Peterson now?

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Many such cases:

"There was nothing traditionally conservative in Grover's approach. On the contrary, Grover admired the iron dedication of Lenin, whose dictum “Probe with bayonets, looking for weakness” he often quoted, and whose majestic portrait hung in Grover's Washington living room." - on Grover Norquist, Blinded by the Right

"I’m a Leninist. Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.“ - Steve Bannon

"[Charles Koch] was not going to be satisfied with being the Engels or even the Marx of the libertarian revolution. He wanted to be the Lenin.” — Clayton Coppin

 

[hellogoodmorning]

After the war he claimed he had never been a Nazi sympathizer and any statements to that effect had been mistranslations.

Perhaps that may have been - he was Allen Dulles' source of information on Hitler's psychological condition during the war - but I find it hard to believe he didn't have any sympathies at all.

I think someone can have sympathies for a radical conservative spirit without necessarily agreeing with mass murder and racism. Compared to the Greeks, the Romans were radically conservative, but they weren't racist in the same way that the Nazis were. Given the state of Germany in the 1930s, I'd probably sympathize with Nazis. Even more so in the case of Jung who was a staunch Christian, Germany's role in the protestant reformation and the Rhineland mystics gave its Christian spirit a sense of pride and uniqueness, and the culture which gestated in the aftermath of the war could've stirred resentment in Jung towards both Europe and Judaism. If the quote in question is correct, that would explain his statement on the 'barbarism' of the Germans: he was referring to Germany's mystical, less-Romanized Geist.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Many such cases.

Did I ever tell you a lot of neocons had once been Trotskyites? (None of them could have ever gotten as far as Lenin did, anyhow.)

I think someone can have sympathies for a radical conservative spirit without necessarily agreeing with mass murder and racism. Compared to the Greeks, the Romans were radically conservative, but they weren't racist in the same way that the Nazis were. Given the state of Germany in the 1930s, I'd probably sympathize with Nazis. Even more so in the case of Jung who was a staunch Christian, Germany's role in the protestant reformation and the Rhineland mystics gave its Christian spirit a sense of pride and uniqueness, and the culture which gestated in the aftermath of the war could've stirred resentment in Jung towards both Europe and Judaism. If the quote in question is correct, that would explain his statement on the 'barbarism' of the Germans: he was referring to Germany's mystical, less-Romanized Geist.

Like I said, he was apparently working for Dulles and the OSS during the war. But the facts seem to be that he did have sympathies, and the Nazis made it perfectly clear from the beginning who they were and what they wanted to do.

 

[cristtal__1]

I really liked the Todd Grande youtube video on Jordan Peterson. While I don't agree with JBP on everything, he's a smart person.

 

[Pump Meat]

Damn. That's the first time I've seen that quote.

There is a metric shit tonne in his collected works. My absolute favorite comes from an interview he gave in Hearst’s International-Cosmopolitan in 1939, I’ll attach a snippet of it. I laugh every time I read him talking about Hitler’s dreamy physiognomy, what with Hitler having those big baby bearing hips and all.

 

[hellogoodmorning]

There is a metric shit tonne in his collected works. My absolute favorite comes from an interview he gave in Hearst’s International-Cosmopolitan in 1939, I’ll attach a snippet of it. I laugh every time I read him talking about Hitler’s dreamy physiognomy, what with Hitler having those big baby bearing hips and all.

Jung was an esoteric Hitlerite before it was cool.

 

[Xei]

He's just another outrage celebrity produced by the media, he's got his blind followers who will praise everything he says, and then you got those who are professionally outraged and give him even more attention than his fans do. He used to somewhat make sense at the beginning, now it looks as if he's saying outrageous things just to stay relevant. He knows his profession well, but to me he appears as someone who's too closed minded, especially for a psychiatrist, he seems to have a tunnel vision and only sees his point of view, especially in debates where he debates to win, not to come to a useful conclusion, really similar to Shapiro.

When he stays on the surface, he's still able to give proper advice. Anything deeper than that and he starts showing his extremist views, pitting people against each other and categorizing them based on their views on life or politics, creating "us vs them" mentality. For people whose only touch with reality is media, this guy makes all the sense in the world, he'll convince them the world around them is falling apart and they will love being angry about it.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

There is a metric shit tonne in his collected works. My absolute favorite comes from an interview he gave in Hearst’s International-Cosmopolitan in 1939, I’ll attach a snippet of it. I laugh every time I read him talking about Hitler’s dreamy physiognomy, what with Hitler having those big baby bearing hips and all.

The funny thing is their actual personalities were basically the opposite. Stalin was known for being well-read; he had a huge library and liked to make notes in his books. Hitler, meanwhile, was essentially a moron who sent people to kill the therapist who cured his hysterical blindness because having therapy made him look weak.

And am I wrong or does he just sound like he's gay for Hitler?

 

[Pump Meat]

The funny thing is their actual personalities were basically the opposite. Stalin was known for being well-read; he had a huge library and liked to make notes in his books. Hitler, meanwhile, was essentially a moron who sent people to kill the therapist who cured his hysterical blindness because having therapy made him look weak.

And am I wrong or does he just sound like he's gay for Hitler?

I think it is just a mixture of German Idealism and his endless fascination with occult themes; by today’s standards it sounds homoerotic. You can find similar prose/poetry in Goethe and Hölderlin too.

I don’t really blame Jung for his Nazi associations or for how quickly he jumped ship when he saw the writing on the wall. Any North American today who tells me they wouldn’t have gotten caught up in any of it are simply not being honest with themselves. It was either to be complicit with the party or it was exile and ruination for your family, and unless you can see into the future then the choice isn’t obvious.

I think Jung’s influence is probably what explains Peterson’s interest in communism in general and the love of Soviet artwork in particular. It represents a massive meta-narrative that systematically taps into the human condition as a means of motivating people to political action, the oblation of all private categories to be repurposed into this universal political consciousness where these sort of messianic ends justify outright cruel and sadistic ends.

I mean those show trials Stalin used to carefully orchestrate where his loyal friends would be found guilty and then executed were absolutely psychopathic. For someone with Peterson’s interests, how could he not be drawn to studying it?

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

I don’t really blame Jung for his Nazi associations or for how quickly he jumped ship when he saw the writing on the wall. Any North American today who tells me they wouldn’t have gotten caught up in any of it are simply not being honest with themselves. It was either to be complicit with the party or it was exile and ruination for your family, and unless you can see into the future then the choice isn’t obvious.

If you were Jewish or gay or a gypsy or a Communist then there was an obvious answer - get out or die, because Hitler was explicit that he wanted all of them to eventually die.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Any North American today who tells me they wouldn’t have gotten caught up in any of it are simply not being honest with themselves.

Because these people were ideologues who reached the apex of the political machine. It's like asking why Castro, Che, and Lenin had charisma.

What a crazy cast of characters. Perfected retardation (with genius sprinklings of pure evil). The Reichstag just didn't have it in them to actually wield power.

 

[Sicko Hunter]

The amount of performative Canada hate is Kiwi Farms personified. A lot of it is because Canada has been misportrayed as a socialist utopia, and the US is desperate to share the spotlight of successionist buffoonery.

You being a Canadian explains so much. The hate is not performative btw. Canadians are some of the most smug motherfuckers on the internet. Somehow even worse then Brits. Full of unwarranted self importance and never shutting up about your country where you can be imprisoned for posting on sites like KF. Your nation has 1/100th of the relevancy and importance of the US and you act like hot shit.

 

[Captain Syrup]

You being a Canadian explains so much.

I'm from Bayonne, you provincial dicksplash.

 

[satan_guide_my_cock]

bahahaha large muslim audience

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7pd0HLeYKsE
Jordan Peterson asks muslims to stop fighting each other, christians "and more specifically the jews", lmao.

peace be unto Him lmfao

 

[Wesley Willis]

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