JonTron Salt - feat. the growing Yooka-Laylee shitstorm (Mighty No. 9 2.0)

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"please don't talk about how many blacks we don't have"
 
Looking at this whole thing is perplexing, how could they suck so much ass at PR, they're totally reliant on good-will as most kickstarters are. How could they not see how much of a shit-show this was going to be after mighty number 9?
 
The thing is, it's not exactly hard to fuck up on Kickstarter if the game is fine. Jaimas has already mentioned Half-Genie Hero, Dankmeme dungeon and Shovel Knight ( :powerlevel: all things I own:powerlevel:).

Then you've got games like Bloodstained: Symphony of the night, where it attains a MN9 level of hype, but the creators decide that they need to push the time back because the scope is too large.

So this isn't one of those more forgettable ideas where it never gets off the ground or they're idiots who run off with the money. YKL is a game which is basically done, with enough residual loyalty to Rare that they started out with enough attention that sales might be guaranteed.

All they needed to do in order not to fuck up is shit themselves and do nothing, and yet they proved entirely incapable.

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Am I optimistic to hope this ends with a MN9-esque picture with four blank-faced men in a photo in a goodbye tweet to Jonno the bluehair?
 
Sable said:
Why does that person have the CWC Capitalization Disease?
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That blog seems to be a more politically correct replacement blog for "clown-names", a shitpost blog I had never heard of until yesterday, when they had a callout post spread for being moderated by someone who used greentext and liked the dragon maid anime. Now I guess this new blog's abandoned the premise of "funny clown names" on the very first day and resorted to Directly Stating SJW-Approved Opinions Except Formatted Like A Name So It Still Technically Counts As An On-Topic Post.

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Sable said:
The thing is, it's not exactly hard to fuck up on Kickstarter if the game is fine. Jaimas has already mentioned Half-Genie Hero, Dankmeme dungeon and Shovel Knight ( :powerlevel: all things I own:powerlevel:).

Then you've got games like Bloodstained: Symphony of the night, where it attains a MN9 level of hype, but the creators decide that they need to push the time back because the scope is too large.

So this isn't one of those more forgettable ideas where it never gets off the ground or they're idiots who run off with the money. YKL is a game which is basically done, with enough residual loyalty to Rare that they started out with enough attention that sales might be guaranteed.

All they needed to do in order not to fuck up is shit themselves and do nothing, and yet they proved entirely incapable.

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Am I optimistic to hope this ends with a MN9-esque picture with four blank-faced men in a photo in a goodbye tweet to Jonno the bluehair?
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Dangerhairs weren't able to damage Shantae or Bloodstained. It's worth going over how they failed.

Shantae's community forum is run by Wayforward, who knows their shit and knows they're accountable to their fans, first and foremost. Even better, Shantae has the female POC defense, so for the most part, SJW idiocy on Shantae was limited to her pale skin during the alpha builds which was solely as pale as it was because they were testing the fucking lighting.

Bloodstained's more interesting. When Bloodstained started to get a following, Igarashi looked to the biggest user-run forum on it at the time, basically went: "All right, you guys are clearly where the fanbase is, you get to be community management if you want it, since you guys are obviously fans and know your shit" and essentially ascended the fanforum. The Community Manager was a fan from the word go and a member of the community besides. Much later on, when SJWs started bitching about Miriam, claiming she was too busty, the fanbase basically told them to fuck off. The Dangerhair brigade haven't really made any attempts since.

The unifying trait: Controlled community management. The Community Manager in both cases was someone of and by the community - the fans, the customers, the people who actually bought your shit and give a shit. To contrast, all the big fuck-ups - Dina and now Jonno - are people completely isolated from both their community and consequences.
 
Jaimas said:
Dangerhairs weren't able to damage Shantae or Bloodstained. It's worth going over how they failed.

Shantae's community forum is run by Wayforward, who knows their shit and knows they're accountable to their fans, first and foremost. Even better, Shantae has the female POC defense, so for the most part, SJW idiocy on Shantae was limited to her pale skin during the alpha builds which was solely as pale as it was because they were testing the fucking lighting.

Bloodstained's more interesting. When Bloodstained started to get a following, Igarashi looked to the biggest user-run forum on it at the time, basically went: "All right, you guys are clearly where the fanbase is, you get to be community management if you want it, since you guys are obviously fans and know your shit" and essentially ascended the fanforum. The Community Manager was a fan from the word go and a member of the community besides. Much later on, when SJWs started bitching about Miriam, claiming she was too busty, the fanbase basically told them to fuck off. The Dangerhair brigade haven't really made any attempts since.

The unifying trait: Controlled community management. The Community Manager in both cases was someone of and by the community - the fans, the customers, the people who actually bought your shit and give a shit. To contrast, all the big fuck-ups - Dina and now Jonno - are people completely isolated from both their community and consequences.
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You also have to factor in who's who in this as well.

Inti Creatures learned the hard way from the Dina incident but managed to escape any real critique thanks to Comcept being in the main chair fucking things up. It has IGA in charge of the entire project from start to finish and he's not going to allow for a similar fuckup. The Japanese are insanely good at learning from past mistakes thanks to the combination of committee and dictator managerial styles. IGA also knows which side his bread is likely to be buttered and something like Bloodstained is going to have that hard core of fans ready to throw their money at them as early adopters.

Comcept went on to make the completely forgettable ReCore after, don't forget and are still scrabbling around with Red Ash and I doubt anyone's going to bother with that either, they've already blown it and I doubt we'll be reading about them by 2025 in all honesty.

I'm mostly wondering why Playtonic went on to do such a deal with Team 17, its not like they didn't have a legion of former RARE fans that would've happily thrown themselves into the role for free just to be able to claim they were the community manager.

You have to bare in mind this seems mostly publisher driven rather than developer, and for some reason Team 17 seem intent on spiking Playtonic's guns.
 
Ponderous Pillock said:
You also have to factor in who's who in this as well.

Inti Creatures learned the hard way from the Dina incident but managed to escape any real critique thanks to Comcept being in the main chair fucking things up. It has IGA in charge of the entire project from start to finish and he's not going to allow for a similar fuckup. The Japanese are insanely good at learning from past mistakes thanks to the combination of committee and dictator managerial styles. IGA also knows which side his bread is likely to be buttered and something like Bloodstained is going to have that hard core of fans ready to throw their money at them as early adopters.

Comcept went on to make the completely forgettable ReCore after, don't forget and are still scrabbling around with Red Ash and I doubt anyone's going to bother with that either, they've already blown it and I doubt we'll be reading about them by 2025 in all honesty.

I'm mostly wondering why Playtonic went on to do such a deal with Team 17, its not like they didn't have a legion of former RARE fans that would've happily thrown themselves into the role for free just to be able to claim they were the community manager.

You have to bare in mind this seems mostly publisher driven rather than developer, and for some reason Team 17 seem intent on spiking Playtonic's guns.
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They probably went with team 17 for the same reason anyone gets a publisher - they needed money and team 17 were offering.
 
You know, NeoGAF really fucked up the narritive they were trying to push with this. They were attempting to punish JonTron by getting him removed from the game and have more people turn against him. Instead, thanks to the backlash and Team17's really shitty handling of it, more people feel bad for Jon and see his removal from the game as a means of bullying the guy. Add in his respectful response to being removed, and Jon came out of this looking way better than either Team 17 or the ones that demanded he be removed.
 
Im incredulous because this whole thing was completely stupid, avoidable, and pointless.

Who's buying the game for JonTron? Nobody. The only reason people are even refunding and throwing shit is because now it's a political issue. In the grand scheme, removing JonTron is a really small, insubstantial thing, but because it's political, it blew up.

This whole political virtue signaling is pointless and irrelevant.

I understand them, as a business, thinking it would be a good idea to distance themselves from JonTron since he's had heat on him--but doubling down when you get called out on it just doubles the heat and makes it a huge deal.

Had they ignored his political shit, and left him in the game, nobody would have cared, and JonTron and even his shitty views that he expressed in the debate with Destiny, all of that would have faded away. Maybe somebody would have looked up JonTron but certainly not because they REALLY REALLY liked the grunting voices he made for an enemy or whatever. And even if they looked him up, they would presumably see his non political stuff before his questionably-non-PC opinions.

Even if they wanted to stand by removing him, they could have avoided half of the drama by just not taking the bait. As with Jontron, actions have consequences. If you do something that's unpopular, and people start melting down and attacking you, the last thing you want to do is respond to every single one and try to ban them and silence them.

Jontron somehow seems to have understood that, he understands his views are unpopular and he's gonna catch shit for them, he just wants to explain his point of view and whoever agrees, well they would have agreed anyway, he's not changing minds or swaying the masses, he's not trying to convert people, he's just trying to explain his ideas.

He seems like he understands he's gonna have to take his knocks over it, but he still makes those statements because to him, being free to make those statements is a greater virtue than being fake and trying to appease people by false signaling. I mean, maybe I'm wrong but he's, at least publicly, taken it all in stride, and not melted down or tried to incite anything.
 
DuckSucker said:
I understand them, as a business, thinking it would be a good idea to distance themselves from JonTron since he's had heat on him--but doubling down when you get called out on it just doubles the heat and makes it a huge deal.
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All they had to say was bla bla bla does not reflect the views of yada yada and so we have mutually decided bullshit bullshit. And then move on. A few spergs would have sperged, and not much would have come of it.

Instead they made a big presentation about it and had a series of dumbass SJW tweets including at least one directly insulting their already annoyed backers. They don't appear aware of what the dangerhair moron "PR" people are doing on their "behalf" and how they're shitting up the release everyone else has worked on for months, maybe years.
 
AnOminous said:
All they had to say was bla bla bla does not reflect the views of yada yada and so we have mutually decided bullshit bullshit. And then move on. A few spergs would have sperged, and not much would have come of it.

Instead they made a big presentation about it and had a series of dumbass SJW tweets including at least one directly insulting their already annoyed backers. They don't appear aware of what the dangerhair moron "PR" people are doing on their "behalf" and how they're shitting up the release everyone else has worked on for months, maybe years.
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See, this is the main problem. They've decided to actively goad and annoy the (actually unrelated) backers who were the majority of early adopters for this game, they'd have been the day one players and such. JonTron's a massive 90s Rare Fan so its understandable why their actions have now pissed off more people than it would have originally as it went from "we're removing this guy because he's said some pretty shady shit recently" to actively insulting 90s Rare Fans.

I remember those days, when you'd sit and wait for a Rareware game to drop, and it didn't matter one fucking bit what the game was, you just knew it'd be awesome. The old Rare knew this and knew they could release anything and guarantee sales. That spirit was and is alive and well at Playtonic, but clearly it's not the same at Team 17, who's mostly famous for.... uh.

Well, worms. and uh. That's it really.

In fact this is probably the first time anyone's fucking noticed Team 17 in years, so of course it'd be at the heart of an autistic hurricane.
 
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