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Who's your favorite JoJo?

  • Jonathan

    Votes: 32 6.4%

  • Joseph

    Votes: 196 39.0%

  • Jotaro

    Votes: 43 8.6%

  • Josuke

    Votes: 71 14.1%

  • Giorno

    Votes: 37 7.4%

  • Jolyne

    Votes: 29 5.8%

  • Johnny

    Votes: 75 14.9%

  • Gappy

    Votes: 19 3.8%
  • Total voters
    502
pray for this gay boy tomorrow
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i have a feeling it'll end with doppio in bucciarati's body most likely
 

That legit is the best shot now. Can't wait for the GER opening though... Or an ending that doesn't end?
 
CausticMinory said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KxSQOFD6BgQ

That legit is the best shot now. Can't wait for the GER opening though... Or an ending that doesn't end?
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i imagine ger will fight back during diavolo’s intro in that version. Also, I wonder if the last episode will add narancia, abbacchio, and bruno ascedning to heaven. and i imagine him going from epitaph using doppio to diavolo getting replaced with normal diavolo turning into scared diavolo after seeing his owned looped death in epitaph
 
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We in Jojo Endgame Boys. Been loving Golden Wind since I am pure spaghetti nigger.

Though, that has me wondering about part six a lot since we're fast approaching the conclusion of part five, which has me thinking about...conclusions. In that (these are major fucking spoilers to the ending of a lot of shit, so seriously, seriously don't read if you want to be surprised and don't blame me with clicking the spoiler button if you can't resist).

The absolute miserable clusterfuck that was the ending that's basically entirely subjective depending on which way you view it, since the multi-verse ass-pull. I know Araki wanted to end Jojo or re-launch it with new ideas at the point of part six, but you didn't really need that clusterfuck to pull it off.

You can really view the ending in basically three ways, since the way its written and Heaven's Stand powers are really awkward as fuck and Pucci is brutally murked before they even take effect:

- Everyone killed in part 6 is a mindless husk, no one is the same, their souls are obliterated. Parts 1-6 never happened, alternate time-line (bad end).

- Everyone killed in part 6 is revived as a doppelganger, totally different people with totally different memories, which means totally different events. Parts 1-6 did not happen and reality is completely new. Pucci is reincarnated into an animal or some shit (middle end)

- Everyone killed in Part 6 is carried over, but reality is re-made. They have the same souls, and are essentially the same people, with differences since events happened differently. Pucci dies in the middle of universe creation, so he ceases to exist in any form in any reality, being obliterated by his own death and the universe he created collapsing. Parts 1-5 happened, but there's no Pucci, so no Dio's will, so nobody competent enough to carry it out. So assuming new Jotaro never really had to clean up after DIO all that much since that was all Pucci's genius and dedication, he has a better relationship with his daughter, who was never framed for murder and all the characters lead better lives. But nobody remembers Emporio because the events of 6 are erased out of existence, closing a potential time loop (Good end).

Its really 'Choose your own ending!' for Jojo's saga and I think just was not clear enough from something that ran from 1987. And its kind of counter to really all the other Jojo's, in that there was always this bitter-sweetness to them, with the main Jojo dying being Jonathan. I think he wanted to end it on something different, but it felt so rushed there really wasn't time to mourn on the end of this huge spanning series. Sometimes I'm for audience interpretation but on shit like Jojo, you need some closure.

For me it was 'What, really?' Jotaro sacrifices everything, the fate of the entire fucking universe for his daughter and absolutely fails and he KNOWS he fails. Then he dies, Joylene sacrifices herself to save Emporio, who then kills Pucci with a basically unknown outcome, having to decide for yourself as to what really ultimately happens as you don't get (enough) or really any information on what happens. For me, I view it as the 'Good End'. Jotaro never knows the pain of failing his daughter and failing to save the world, he gets to have a family and is not in constant bizarre adventures anymore. The Joestar bloodline finally knows peace from Dio and Pucci is ultimately eradicated, being in his own universe as it fully collapses. Its more in line with Jojo thematically than the downer ending that everyone dies in vain, the heroine, the villain, her father, her team, nobody wins, everybody is different, only a 12 year old remembers and nobody gives a fuck. Fuck you, the end. Even at its darkest, Jojo was never even close to that nihilistic. I don't think that's what Araki intended at all, given that he uses Irene/Joylene interchangeably and says she kept her growth, but the problem with the way the manga ends is that you can easily see it the nihilistic way. I mean for fucks sake, Araki even said Joesph was still alive in Part 6, but senile. So how could you really think he intended it to be super depressing?

I mean, everyone knows that Jotaro would have won with:


But the thing is moot, Araki wanted it to end this way so it does. My point is the anime has been pretty fucking good and this is generally viewed as a downer ending, because its very, very ambiguous. Even when Jonathan dies, it felt like he still accomplished something and not in vain. Jotaro dies very suddenly and really, really awfully and you never see him again. I mean, its a terrible fucking death. A father failing to save his child at the cost of the universe. Come on now, you're not following up on that with even after a universe reset where his daughter is alive? That's fucking cold. I mean that took balls to write, but fuck me. Joylene dies too after seeing her father die risking the universe to save her, entrusting a 12 year old to murk this villain with this unbeatable stand, who is then beaten by an asspull as equal as Star Finger. So you can't even say he was avoiding an asspull ending. Literally everyone loses, heroes and villian, and we have no idea, really, what happened after they lose. Are they soulless husks? They can't be, since Dio needs to die and Dio was dead before, so Jotaro still needs a Stand. Which means they have souls, because you can't have a Stand without a soul. So they weren't obliterated. So parts 1-5 still happen. People are slightly different, so Pucci has to not exist for that to happen, with his death and the loss of his Stand since it dies as soon as he did, not like some others, obliterated by trying to make his own universe. If Pucci was an alternate, he still meets Dio and we're in time-loop territory. So he has to literally be erased from existence to have a new reality where the Joestars are happy and thriving. That's really the only conclusion I can draw from the ending, since Pucci never gets his universe and living people remain unchanged. Just basically a reality shift.

If the anime does keep this ending, it should end with Emporio meeting with Qotaro (or whatever), explaining to him what happened with the picture of 'Stardust Crusaders' exactly the same in the shot or on his desk or something so we know its the same JoJo, basically, but without Pucci's constant fuckary into Jotaro's life. I think we need at least some small amount of closure. I think if you had those panels, I don't think the ending would be nearly as terrible as it was.

I mean, its not terrible for being sad. If it was as nihilistic as I stated previously, it would be terrible. Its just bad because its far too ambiguous for closure to such a long running, beloved universe. I'm all for ambiguous endings, but it just doesn't fit JoJo for me. Nor for long running franchises. They just don't work. You've got too much time and spent too much time with these characters to not have any closure.

Like I said, I chose to believe the 'Good' version of the ending, where all this pain and loss is washed away for Jotaro, Joylene and all the Joestars with the ultimate and total defeat of Pucci, by actually being erased from reality, like Jotaro knowing he failed and seeing his daughter die, except he will never know anything since he no longer exists. The bitter-sweetness comes from Emporio knowing that their bonds over Part 6 never really happened and he's the only one that remembers what they went through. That's my take on it.

And yes, I know that's overthinking JoJo but...multiverses and no closure.
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Secret Asshole said:
We in Jojo Endgame Boys. Been loving Golden Wind since I am pure spaghetti nigger.

Though, that has me wondering about part six a lot since we're fast approaching the conclusion of part five, which has me thinking about...conclusions. In that (these are major fucking spoilers to the ending of a lot of shit, so seriously, seriously don't read if you want to be surprised and don't blame me with clicking the spoiler button if you can't resist).

The absolute miserable clusterfuck that was the ending that's basically entirely subjective depending on which way you view it, since the multi-verse ass-pull. I know Araki wanted to end Jojo or re-launch it with new ideas at the point of part six, but you didn't really need that clusterfuck to pull it off.

You can really view the ending in basically three ways, since the way its written and Heaven's Stand powers are really awkward as fuck and Pucci is brutally murked before they even take effect:

- Everyone killed in part 6 is a mindless husk, no one is the same, their souls are obliterated. Parts 1-6 never happened, alternate time-line (bad end).

- Everyone killed in part 6 is revived as a doppelganger, totally different people with totally different memories, which means totally different events. Parts 1-6 did not happen and reality is completely new. Pucci is reincarnated into an animal or some shit (middle end)

- Everyone killed in Part 6 is carried over, but reality is re-made. They have the same souls, and are essentially the same people, with differences since events happened differently. Pucci dies in the middle of universe creation, so he ceases to exist in any form in any reality, being obliterated by his own death and the universe he created collapsing. Parts 1-5 happened, but there's no Pucci, so no Dio's will, so nobody competent enough to carry it out. So assuming new Jotaro never really had to clean up after DIO all that much since that was all Pucci's genius and dedication, he has a better relationship with his daughter, who was never framed for murder and all the characters lead better lives. But nobody remembers Emporio because the events of 6 are erased out of existence, closing a potential time loop (Good end).

Its really 'Choose your own ending!' for Jojo's saga and I think just was not clear enough from something that ran from 1987. And its kind of counter to really all the other Jojo's, in that there was always this bitter-sweetness to them, with the main Jojo dying being Jonathan. I think he wanted to end it on something different, but it felt so rushed there really wasn't time to mourn on the end of this huge spanning series. Sometimes I'm for audience interpretation but on shit like Jojo, you need some closure.

For me it was 'What, really?' Jotaro sacrifices everything, the fate of the entire fucking universe for his daughter and absolutely fails and he KNOWS he fails. Then he dies, Joylene sacrifices herself to save Emporio, who then kills Pucci with a basically unknown outcome, having to decide for yourself as to what really ultimately happens as you don't get (enough) or really any information on what happens. For me, I view it as the 'Good End'. Jotaro never knows the pain of failing his daughter and failing to save the world, he gets to have a family and is not in constant bizarre adventures anymore. The Joestar bloodline finally knows peace from Dio and Pucci is ultimately eradicated, being in his own universe as it fully collapses. Its more in line with Jojo thematically than the downer ending that everyone dies in vain, the heroine, the villain, her father, her team, nobody wins, everybody is different, only a 12 year old remembers and nobody gives a fuck. Fuck you, the end. Even at its darkest, Jojo was never even close to that nihilistic. I don't think that's what Araki intended at all, given that he uses Irene/Joylene interchangeably and says she kept her growth, but the problem with the way the manga ends is that you can easily see it the nihilistic way. I mean for fucks sake, Araki even said Joesph was still alive in Part 6, but senile. So how could you really think he intended it to be super depressing?

I mean, everyone knows that Jotaro would have won with:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=B69_-ouSvio
But the thing is moot, Araki wanted it to end this way so it does. My point is the anime has been pretty fucking good and this is generally viewed as a downer ending, because its very, very ambiguous. Even when Jonathan dies, it felt like he still accomplished something and not in vain. Jotaro dies very suddenly and really, really awfully and you never see him again. I mean, its a terrible fucking death. A father failing to save his child at the cost of the universe. Come on now, you're not following up on that with even after a universe reset where his daughter is alive? That's fucking cold. I mean that took balls to write, but fuck me. Joylene dies too after seeing her father die risking the universe to save her, entrusting a 12 year old to murk this villain with this unbeatable stand, who is then beaten by an asspull as equal as Star Finger. So you can't even say he was avoiding an asspull ending. Literally everyone loses, heroes and villian, and we have no idea, really, what happened after they lose. Are they soulless husks? They can't be, since Dio needs to die and Dio was dead before, so Jotaro still needs a Stand. Which means they have souls, because you can't have a Stand without a soul. So they weren't obliterated. So parts 1-5 still happen. People are slightly different, so Pucci has to not exist for that to happen, with his death and the loss of his Stand since it dies as soon as he did, not like some others, obliterated by trying to make his own universe. If Pucci was an alternate, he still meets Dio and we're in time-loop territory. So he has to literally be erased from existence to have a new reality where the Joestars are happy and thriving. That's really the only conclusion I can draw from the ending, since Pucci never gets his universe and living people remain unchanged. Just basically a reality shift.

If the anime does keep this ending, it should end with Emporio meeting with Qotaro (or whatever), explaining to him what happened with the picture of 'Stardust Crusaders' exactly the same in the shot or on his desk or something so we know its the same JoJo, basically, but without Pucci's constant fuckary into Jotaro's life. I think we need at least some small amount of closure. I think if you had those panels, I don't think the ending would be nearly as terrible as it was.

I mean, its not terrible for being sad. If it was as nihilistic as I stated previously, it would be terrible. Its just bad because its far too ambiguous for closure to such a long running, beloved universe. I'm all for ambiguous endings, but it just doesn't fit JoJo for me. Nor for long running franchises. They just don't work. You've got too much time and spent too much time with these characters to not have any closure.

Like I said, I chose to believe the 'Good' version of the ending, where all this pain and loss is washed away for Jotaro, Joylene and all the Joestars with the ultimate and total defeat of Pucci, by actually being erased from reality, like Jotaro knowing he failed and seeing his daughter die, except he will never know anything since he no longer exists. The bitter-sweetness comes from Emporio knowing that their bonds over Part 6 never really happened and he's the only one that remembers what they went through. That's my take on it.

And yes, I know that's overthinking JoJo but...multiverses and no closure.
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Part 6 will end with stock footage of 1guy1jar, because it and the part 6 ending are equally as coherent
 
I know, but even at when Jojo is at its most bizarre and 'wtf did I witness', the anime is amazing at doing that and clearing it up. Adapting 6 I think will be their biggest challenge to date honestly, since its incredibly divisive. And not just its ending, but all around.
 
Secret Asshole said:
I know, but even at when Jojo is at its most bizarre and 'wtf did I witness', the anime is amazing at doing that and clearing it up. Adapting 6 I think will be their biggest challenge to date honestly, since its incredibly divisive. And not just its ending, but all around.
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makes me wonder if they’ll consult araki on any of the cut content and throw in a few callbacks to it like ermes assuming anisui is a woman at first or something
 
purpleboy said:
makes me wonder if they’ll consult araki on any of the cut content and throw in a few callbacks to it like ermes assuming anisui is a woman at first or something
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lol, there are already people on Twitter wanting anisui going full trans in the anime. Like JoJo isn't LGBTQ enough already. JoJo is fabulous and I wouldn't have it any other way, but lets not.

I don't know, since this is the toughest. Some artists and writers use the anime to 'correct' mistakes they perceived in the manga, so that gives me hope some of the shittier arcs will be dealt with

CausticMinory said:
I'm just glad we finally have someone speak fluent Italian in the new jojo opening.
Ghiaccio didn't die in vain.
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My guide heart sprung to life with that. The amount of crazy shit at how they see Italy is amazing and beautiful at the same time.
 
Secret Asshole said:
lol, there are already people on Twitter wanting anisui going full trans in the anime. Like JoJo isn't LGBTQ enough already. JoJo is fabulous and I wouldn't have it any other way, but lets not.

I don't know, since this is the toughest. Some artists and writers use the anime to 'correct' mistakes they perceived in the manga, so that gives me hope some of the shittier arcs will be dealt with
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Even Moldy Chocolate boy literally saying “I loved you” to Naked Mudman wasn’t enough for them
 
Which is funny, since there are more gay couples in Golden Wind than there are straights.
 
Part 5 for me was always the weakest. It opens with Jotaro sending Koichi to go spy on Giorno because he's Dio's son only for all of that to be dropped after a couple chapters and is never brought up again. Why even set any of that up in the first place? Even moreso after
Wheelchair Polnareff appears. Why didn't he ever get in contact with Jotaro or the Speedwagon Foundation I get he had to lie low after getting yeeted on but why the fuck didn't he ask for help or inform his friends about his assassination attempt beforehand? Jotaro could have just had Josuke heal his legs.
I think maybe part of what made him end 6 the way he did was to avoid questions like those since the universe he'd built at that point was so large it would be almost impossible to keep track of it all. Like in every superhero movie book and film they have to come up with reasons why whatever character doesn't just call Superman or the Hulk to solve all their problems for them.

All that said in no way or form can Part 5 be considered 'bad'. It gave us some of the best characters (Bruno, Mista) and some of the best memes (taste of a liar, fucking king crimson how does it work) but overall I think it's one of the weaker entries in the series. I just want them to get to SBR already.
 
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