🐮 Lolcow Jack David Sickenberger / The Cunning Condor - Prudish, Nosy, and Pretentious Cartoonist who Hates WHORES and makes REAL ART

[The Cunning Condor]

It is satirizing the well-known and innate female tendency to not have sex with/date/pay attention to The Cunning Condor.

I try not to incorporate myself into my art, but rather incorporate things I observe. (I.E. that ad with the disabled guy in a bear suit asking people for hugs. Can't remember where it is at the moment)

 

[Meowthkip]

I try not to incorporate myself into my art, but rather incorporate things I observe. (I.E. that ad with the disabled guy in a bear suit asking people for hugs. Can't remember where it is at the moment)

I've seen that ad. What does that ad have to do with anything?

 

[The Cunning Condor]

M'kay. Do you think that "selective nature" is exclusive to a gender? If not, do you realize that this comic could very easily and reasonably leave someone with the impression that you do?

No. The genders in that comic could easily be swapped. I just went with the one's I did mainly because I wanted to use the character I had already set up. They'll vary more as they go along.

 

[TM Ambrose]

They don't. This particular one was in order to be silly. I'm not encouraging women be depicted as whores. I'm just exemplifying that this one was.

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. You said you weren't drawing them sexualized and then you drew them sexualized. I understand it being satirical, I just prefer people to not be overly preachy about something like this. I also don't like people saying women are sluts.

 

[The Cunning Condor]

I've seen that ad. What does that ad have to do with anything?

People seem more likely to show affection towards that which is more "appealing" than that which is more needed. (I'm not very good at wording things precisely)

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. You said you weren't drawing them sexualized and then you drew them sexualized. I understand it being satirical, I just prefer people to not be overly preachy about something like this. I also don't like people saying women are sluts.

I was making fun of the sexualizing. Also, I wasn't saying women are sluts. I was saying this one (a fictional character, at that) was. I can make a male character a fat guy, doesn't mean all men are fat.

Keep in mind that the NP comics are also not meant to be taken seriously. They're just silly little comics.

 

[Meowthkip]

People seem more likely to show affection towards that which is more "appealing" than that which is more needed. (I'm not very good at wording things precisely)

Ah.

... Did you see that post I made on The Rape of Proserpina?

 

[The Cunning Condor]

Ah.

... Did you see that post I made on The Rape of Proserpina?

I responded to it.

For what it's worth, I'm incapable of drawing at the moment due to my injury. The last thing I worked on was a little drawing meant to substitute my current DA ID picture. It's still rough, but it can be conceived as a sort of.. self-portrait (that isn't silhouetted).

 

[SpessCaptain]

No. The genders in that comic could easily be swapped. I just went with the one's I did mainly because I wanted to use the character I had already set up. They'll vary more as they go along.

"I've got a paper cut," said the healthy-wide-of-hips days-for-legs lady to the man.
"I'VE LOST MY HAND!" said the now handless less-attractive woman to the man.

And instead of being an asshole, the man did the smart thing and called for an ambulance and told the other woman to put pressure on the hand as he went to grab the hand in hopes that it could be re-attached.

The end.

 

[Meowthkip]

@TreblinkachuAs for the sculpture up there, I don't think it's supposed to be seen as a thing of beauty but rather create a scene that inflicts the viewer emotionally, be it fear, sadness, etc.

I was referring to the kind of wacknuts who embrace rape by, like, making paintings of children being sodomized by a demon or some shit.

I missed this post earlier. So, if a piece is erotic in nature, but evokes emotions that aren't arousal, am I to take it that qualifies as art?

And who are these artists painting children being sodomized? Surely they're a minority in the realm of erotic art.

 

[The Cunning Condor]

"I've got a paper cut," said the healthy-wide-of-hips days-for-legs lady to the man.
"I'VE LOST MY HAND!" said the now handless less-attractive woman to the man.

And instead of being an asshole, the man did the smart thing and called for an ambulance and told the other woman to put pressure on the hand as he went to grab the hand in hopes that it could be re-attached.

The end.

Keep in mind that being a satirical comic, the characters are likely to make illogical decisions often. This particular character used... was an asshole.

 

[TM Ambrose]

I was making fun of the sexualizing. Also, I wasn't saying women are sluts. I was saying this one (a fictional character, at that) was. I can make a male character a fat guy, doesn't mean all men are fat.

Are you even reading my post -_- I said I really don't care. I'm annoyed that you said you were drawing women to prove women have to be X, and then you drew women as X. I know they don't have to be but if you're trying to prove a point you typically don't want to do the thing you're arguing against. You see why it bothers me?

 

[The Cunning Condor]

I missed this post earlier. So, if a piece is erotic in nature, but evokes emotions that aren't arousal, am I to take it that qualifies as art?

And who are these artists painting children being sodomized? Surely they're a minority in the realm of erotic art.

I was speaking hypothetically. There's a line that separates sexual art from pornographic art. Where precisely that line is and how it's decided is kind of complicated to explain. But usually the two are fairly simple to tell apart.

 

[Meowthkip]

Keep in mind that the NP comics are also not meant to be taken seriously. They're just silly little comics.

If they are art, then they are open to being critiqued, interpreted, and discussed.

The views they portray are also subject to scrutiny.

Such as it is for being an artist.

I was speaking hypothetically. There's a line that separates sexual art from pornographic art. Where precisely that line is and how it's decided is kind of complicated to explain. But usually the two are fairly simple to tell apart.

"Complicated to explain" or are you dodging an answer?

It's an awfully conservative stance you're taking, deciding that some art isn't art because it's erotic. As an artist, I like to push boundaries, challenge what is art.

And hell, I'm just a lame cartoonist.

 

[The Cunning Condor]

Are you even reading my post -_- I said I really don't care. I'm annoyed that you said you were drawing women to prove women have to be X, and then you drew women as X. I know they don't have to be but if you're trying to prove a point you typically don't want to do the thing you're arguing against. You see why it bothers me?

I'm not a feminazi. Just because I believe in women's rights (which is a given) doesn't mean I'm not allowed to poke fun at the particular women who actually do fit into the stereotype. They do exist.

I like making "deep" art, but I shouldn't be forced to make everything I upload "deep".

 

[TheAmazingAxolotl]

There can be only one alliteratively-named animal user on this forum.

 

[The Cunning Condor]

If they are art, then they are open to being critiqued, interpreted, and discussed.

The views they portray are also subject to scrutiny.

Such as it is for being an artist.

I know. Just don't critique a cartoony comic the same way you would a political debate or whatever.

There can be only one alliteratively-named animal user on this forum.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Springer]

I just want to clear up one thing. I fear my not great English made me unclear on this, so I am sorry Connor.
By 3-d I did not mean realistic, I mean existing in deep space. Even very stylised work can look either flat or like in deep space.

I know that many do not like the way Burne Hogarth stylises the human body but I still feel his book which is titled Dynamic Figure Drawing is a very good book to teach the concept of drawing with depth of canvas.

The image posted here of the man and tree shows to me that your Unterbau is flat, and also that you are thinking in 2-d Shapes not 3-d Shapes whether you conscioulsy realise you are breaking things down that way or not.
This is not a matter of this being a Sketch instead of finished work, it is a deficiency of renderer skill. Even what are quick bunches of sketches known as thumbnail sketches or gesture sketches can shows depth of canvas, line weighting, etc etc.

To have your own voice in your art is a very good thing, I am glad you want to express yourself your way, but your drawings are limited now by your desire to not work on construction.

I was afraid you were caught up in your mind on this subject, and I see you are. This is disappointing; but I think there will come a time you realise the deficiency you have and will want to work on it.

Okay, take care.
Good luck with furture artworks.

 

[The Cunning Condor]

I think the hardest part is getting others to fully understand my mindset. There's a lot of confusion in this whole epidemic.

Really, it'd be simpler this way:
Do you like my art? Cool. you can look at it anytime you like.
Do you not like my art? Cool. You don't have to look at it.

also my name isn't Connor.

 

[Globe]

This particular character used... was an asshole.

Aren't they always in that situation, though? Hell, you could almost say he was a jerk or something...

 

[Meowthkip]

I know. Just don't critique a cartoony comic the same way you would a political debate or whatever.

Why shouldn't I? It's art, isn't it? Quite frankly your views towards women, are quite regressive. You've got that Madonna/Whore complex going on real bad. You think you're shielding Madonnas while throwing the Whores under the bus. The Whores go with the big beefy guys, the Whores present their hindquarters like an animal in heat and are rightly punished for it. That is what I get from your comics.

You got some hang-ups about sex, bruh. As a woman, and as somebody who's drawn pornographic artwork, I find those stances patronizing and worrying.