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I think this video provides a good exploration around the mindset of people who are soft/defendant towards Islam.

 
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Thankfully urfavmurtad called OP out, although not before 34k reblogs/likes of OP's post spread throughout Tumblr...

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Fuck all of this. People are actually justifying Islamic sexism because it's ~exotic~ and non-Western. You can dress it up all you want, but the fact of the matter is that mainstream Islamic thought is often misogynistic and enforces gender segregation.
I'll believe musaafer is honest about his attitude toward all the diversity of intent and style in a centuries-old monotheistic religion when he and his leftist friends apply that same open, non-judgmental mind toward Christianity and the westerners who practice it. I won't hold my breath, though.

If they're going to fall back on "they shouldn't be held to our standards because they're from a different culture", then every argument they have about white people being sexist or racist or doing this or that thing they don't like immediately falls apart. Because if I make a joke about trannies and they don't like it, they can't just tell me what is and isn't valid to be my culture just because of my skin color.
 
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t. retard speaking in a western language likely living in a western country
 
I totally wanna see them muslim'splaining and defending the other more "out there" practices they do. "Stoning women is something perfectly valid you retarded eurocentrics don't understand!"
 
The vast majority of Muslims in Japan are Malaysian/Indonesian Muslims (and their Japanese spouses). Muslims from that part of the world also incidentally make up the majority of Muslim weebs which you should check DeviantArt for if you want some fine examples.
:offtopic: G fucking G, I was playing VRChat (don't judge) and I met a Malaysian who was a weeaboo.
 
The people that bitch and moan about the west usually live in the west.
 
I have another great post to share from urfavmurtad, an ex-Muslim who's written a lot of insightful posts debunking Islamophilia on Tumblr.

https://urfavmurtad.tumblr.com/post/167721126572/doesnt-mod-s-call-herself-a-feminist-she-cant

It's really long, so I'm going to copypasta it instead of screencapping.

Anonymous asked: doesn't mod s call herself a feminist? she can't be muslim and a feminist, islam is a male dominated religion, women have to be constantly oppressed. it's disgusting how muslim women are treated

fuckyeahcaroldanvers:
Well, first of all, I’m use they/them, but thanks so much for misgendering me!

You wanna talk about how Muslim women and and woman-aligned people are treated? Fine, we can talk about that.

We can talk about how the Quran was revealed in 632 AD, saying how women are equal to men. (“And their Lord responded to them: ’…be you male or female - you are equal to one another.’” [Quran 3:195])

We can talk about how in the 16th century, western men were still debating if women had souls.

We can talk about how in 632, the 1st century, Muslim women had the rights to choose who to marry, to divorce, to work, to educate and be educated, to have their won inheritance, to their own land and property, to have their own businesses, to participate in combat, to half their husband’s wealth, to have their own opinions, to have custody of their children, and on and on and on.

We can talk about Muslim women’s right to have a voice in government. Tell me, when did the USA give (white) women “equal participation in the political process,” or voting? 1920. Muslim women have had that since 632.

We can talk about how Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Turkey, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, and Senegal have all had female Presidents or Prime Ministers. How 1/3rd of Egypt’s parliament is female. How in the lovely USA, we haven’t even had a women vice-president yet.

We can talk about the hijab, niqab, abaya, and burqa, how they’re mainly worn to protect women from leering men, and to allow women to interact freely in public without people being able to judge their bodies or looks and only having their minds and personalities to make judgements off of.

We can talk a out how the Western world has twisted our clothing into “women have to cover up because they’re indecent!” and women and feminine-presenting people get attacked and have their coverings yanked off, either because of Islamophobic hatred or misguided attempts at saving us.

We can talk about how I’ve had my hijab ripped off twice, both times by white men, once outside my community’s masjid (the Muslim place of worship.) And oddly enough, my clothing didn’t stop me from breaking one of those men’s noses when he went after my sister. Just like it’s never stopped me from going to school, or playing sports, or doing anything a white woman or woman aligned person could do.

We can talk about how outside of the masjid, where men and women are required to cover their heads, I’ve never once been made to wear a hijab.

We can talk about how the only people who have lectured me about dressing modestly were non-Muslim teachers and other educators.

We can talk about how people want to preach about how Muslims think women are indecent, when western schools freak out when a girl shows her shoulders.

We can talk about my cousin who once made a joke about women belonging in the kitchen and how out of thirty people in the room, the only person who laughed was his white friend. How his father immediately corrected him.

We can talk about how the first university ever, the University of al-Qarawiyyin, was founded in 858 by Fatima al-Fihri, a Muslim woman. How despite that, the summer I was thirteen and taking extra courses at the community college, an instructor praised me for joining even though “I know Muslim parents don’t let girls have higher education.” I had to look her in the eyes and ask who she thought was paying for my classes.

We can talk about the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.a.w.) who denounced all forms of enslavement of women, and assisted women in issuing their rights to exist freely.

We can talk about people who rush to condemn Muslim men for hurting the “defenseless” girls, then turning around and making jokes about raping and hitting women.

We can talk about the “saviors of Muslim women,” talking about how they’re so oppressed, they don’t get to make their own choices.

We can talk about how these people completely ignore anyone who says they’re wrong and call them brainwashed. Because of course millions of women have been coerced into believing in a tradition that views them as subservient, what other explanation is there?

We can talk about how patronizing and infantalizing this is, how it denies Muslim women and woman aligned people agency and puts our “saviors” on a pedestal. “We need to be their heroes! Because obviously they can’t fix their problems without the aid of white people!”

We can talk about how it’s true that Muslim women suffer from misogyny. How there are Muslim men who think of women as lesser, how some Muslim women are forced to cover themselves and marry. Because guess what? There is no culture that is exempt from misogyny and sexism, gender discrimination is a problem everywhere. But you cannot call an entire culture and religion inherently misogynistic, that is in no way true.

We can talk about how somehow there’s this incredibly untrue idea that Western cultures have “progressed forward, and sexism doesn’t exist here, only in other countries and cultures.”

We can talk about how if people want to help Muslim women, all that is needed is for them to listen to us and follow our lead.

We can talk about how Muslim women and woman aligned people do not need white people to save them. We have always been capable of helping ourselves.

There are a lot of conversations to be had about the treatment of Muslim women, if it’s something you want to discuss.

But the thing is? People who talk about how oppressed Muslim women are generally don’t.

You want a deflection from your misogyny, “You think I’m bad! You should see how Muslim girls are treated.” You want an excuse for your Islamophobia, “We need to criticize Islam, they treat women awfully!” You want justification for western imperialism, “These wars are necessary! We need to save the poor girls!”

You don’t care about Muslim women and women aligned people.

Stop pretending like you do.

- Mod S

This heaping pile of bullshit got over 14,000 notes by ignorant Tumblr "feminists" before this rebuttal was written:

This is the third goddamn time I’ve seen this heaping pile of bullshit on my main’s dash. It has 14,400 notes. Fourteen thousand notes for this apologia for an ideology promoting misogyny, gendered violence, and rape. Progressive and Feminist™ website tumblr dot com will genuinely rush to the reblog button for any post that presents Islam as a cuddly and cute religion that is great to women.

Like, where the fuck do I even begin? How do you respond to something so removed from reality? Mohammed denounced all forms of female enslavement? He owned sex slaves. And raped them, unless y’all feminists want to argue that slaves gifted to a foreign warlord can consent to sex with him. Slaves such as Maria the Copt, who bore Mohammed’s last child, Ibrahim, who died in infancy. But hey, let’s be fair to the guy, he was just practicing what he preached. The Quran explicitly allows men to rape their slaves, regardless of whether they are married or not (more than once). Not that it’s a big deal. I mean, there are no Islamists today who keep sex slaves and rape them, right?

But Mohammed’s era was a long time ago. Muslims in the modern era are far less misogynistic, as OP kindly points out. For example, Egypt, a fucking military dictatorship, has women (15% not 1/3) in its pointless parliament, which exists solely for show. And, like, hello? Benazir Bhutto? Who succeeded her father Zulfikar as Pakistan’s PM before being murdered? Clear proof of Islam’s long history of female rulers. (All… nine… of them?) Only a fool would describe the feminist paradise of Pakistan as in any way oppressive to women. Why, it is practically Scandinavia. OP has a solid point here. Kind of weird how the presence of female rulers = feminism for those countries, though, but women being queens ruling entire empires in Europe gets reduced to “in the 16th century, western men were still debating if women had souls” (that’s actually a myth and not even from the right time period but thanx 4 playing)

OP has an even more solid point when they say that Muslim women have had the right to vote since the 7th century, because the expansionist (dare I say imperialistic?) caliphate was obviously known for its universal suffrage and female leadership. (I mean… is this a serious post? Is this something that OP truly believes? Really?) And as OP suggests, Islam gave women many rights that they didn’t have before, like the ability to own businesses and inherit money. What’s that, you say? Mohammed’s first wife, who was his boss before Islam, was able to do all that in pre-Islamic Arabia with no apparent issue? Well, uh, she doesn’t count. Life was very terrible for women before Islam. Islam fixed great oppression. Just, uh… just trust me on that. I mean, doesn’t a religion that explicitly states that a woman is worth half a man in both legal and monetary terms speak for itself? It’s called feminism, Brenda, look it up.

And the Quran. The Holy Quran. OP says that 3:195 states that women and men are equal. It does not. It simply says that one comes from the other. In fact the Quran specifically says that men are above women and that men are in charge of women and women deserve to be beaten if they are disobedient, an ayah that I will now quote word for word from fucking quran.com:

Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband’s] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

But remember, kids, you can’t call an entire religion sexist! Why? I don’t know, OP makes the rules, not me.

And you have to appreciate OP’s desperate attempt to turn criticism of Islam into a guilt-inducing rant about imperialism. Because there are no white Muslims, of course. And because all critics of Islam are white, and because there are no critics of Islam from Muslim countries. All criticism of Islam is due to Western imperialism. There are no ex-Muslims. And there is certainly nohistory of Islamic imperialism. Listen and repeat. Feel that guilt? Good. Now reblog this defense of a religion you know nothing about. Ahh… much better. Guilt: relieved.

But hey, let’s chill out for a second and back up here. OP says that they’re free to do whatever they want and so there is no misogyny in Islam and any women or girls suffering under Islamic rule are just the victims of random guys being awful, it has nothing to do with Islam itself. I mean, women are literally forced to wear hijab in a theocracy based entirely on Islamic law, but it has nothing to do with Islam. Just listen to OP’s soothing words and let the guilt flow over you, then press the reblog button.

(PS: shoutout to the “Islam invented universities” myth that we’re all taught in first grade, which is, of course, false; the Moroccan university is the oldest university still in existence, if one considers early madrasas to be “universities”, not the first one to exist by a thousand years or so. The first woman did not graduate from al-Qarawiyyin until the twentieth century, btw; it was funded by a woman but none could attend for centuries. How liberating!)

My favorite piece of absolute horseshit has to be "We can talk about the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.a.w.) who denounced all forms of enslavement of women, and assisted women in issuing their rights to exist freely."

Not only did Muhammad own sex slaves (Maria the Copt being the most prominent one), a verse in the Quran explicitly states that Muslim men are allowed to rape their female slaves. Fucking ISIS uses the Quran and other Islamic sources to justify their widespread enslavement and rape of non-Muslim women.
 
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Fuck all of this. People are actually justifying Islamic sexism because it's ~exotic~ and non-Western. You can dress it up all you want, but the fact of the matter is that mainstream Islamic thought is often misogynistic and enforces gender segregation.
Why would you use Puritans as an example when they lived several hundred years ago and were frequently considered ridiculous and over the top even in their native country? This alone I find very confusing.
 
:offtopic:Actually guys, that one girl I was talking about in the last page turns out to be one of Beauty Parlor's lolcow, she converted to Islam for a whole nother reason but I'll leave that up to you to find out in this thread, it's pretty fucking crazy too.
 
Speaking of Islam and feminism, isn't there a hadith in which the Prophet said he looked into hell and found that the majority of its inhabitants were women because they were disobedient and deficient in the brain.
 
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Fuck all of this. People are actually justifying Islamic sexism because it's ~exotic~ and non-Western. You can dress it up all you want, but the fact of the matter is that mainstream Islamic thought is often misogynistic and enforces gender segregation.
"an extraordinary capacity to be adaptable to space and time"
Yeah sure. If there's a word you shouldn't use to describe a religion, it would be this one, "adaptable".
The irresponsibility of these tumblrites baffles me.
 
Being homosexual is Islamophobic!

https://squawker.org/culture-wars/a...e-claims-gay-people-are-offensive-to-muslims/
https://web.archive.org/web/2018020...e-claims-gay-people-are-offensive-to-muslims/

Whether we agree with their beliefs or not, Gay Pride Parades (for the most part) are well… gay. Happy. Bright. Enthusiastic and peaceful. They march around with rainbow flags, wear really weird clothing, and tell everybody how proud they are to be gay. Annoying? Most certainly, especially if you feel as though they’re shoving an agenda down your throat. But these marches tend to keep it fairly peaceful.

When you start putting Sweden, Muslims, and Antifa into the mix, however, you have a recipe for disaster. Recently in Stockholm Sweden, a Gay pride event was held that caused a bit of controversy. Everything was going great until someone made a wrong turn. Specifically, those participating in the march entered a predominantly Muslim territory. What happened next is a little confusing, to say the least.

Antifa (short for Anti-Fascists) hit the scene, and they were not at all pleased with the locations the Gay Pride marchers were choosing. Why? Because it was living proof that Muslims don’t support gays. Instead, in their own countries, they throw them off of bridges and stone them to death. One Sweedish Antifa member (clearly supporting communism) had this to say in an interview promoted by VFN:


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“It’s a propagation against the Muslim population here. I think it’s a private thing what gays do in the bed.”


Yeah, that attire of her’s sure makes me wanna subscribe to Antifa! (That was sarcasm folks.)

Antifa began calling out those in the march, saying how they’re “fascist” and “in the wrong”. The reporter who covered the event noted how some people were saying it was “a PR stunt, aimed at dividing communities.” But isn’t Antifa supposed to be pro-gay AND pro-Muslim? It seems that when they finally realized the tension between each community, they got triggered by the idea of having to choose one to side with. Whoever then, was to be the enemy, would have to be labeled as Nazi’s and fascists. So now, according to Antifa, gay people are racist Neo Nazi’s who only march in Muslim areas to be offensive to their opposition.

More and more gays are being red pilled so to speak, with Milo Yiannopolos leading the revolution. After this incident, I wouldn’t be surprised if even greater numbers turned away from far left movements and joined the right side of political and social issues. Only time will tell, but we still have enough red pills to go around.

I really don't understand why hardcore leftists are throwing LGBT people under the bus in favor of Muslims. If a gay pride parade went through a predominately Christian area these same people would applaud and lionize it, but since it went through a Muslim area it's "Islamophobic" and "fascist" and obviously intended to provoke peaceful Muslims into rioting.
 
Being homosexual is Islamophobic!

https://squawker.org/culture-wars/a...e-claims-gay-people-are-offensive-to-muslims/
https://web.archive.org/web/2018020...e-claims-gay-people-are-offensive-to-muslims/
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cAowWVrpEgs


I really don't understand why hardcore leftists are throwing LGBT people under the bus in favor of Muslims. If a gay pride parade went through a predominately Christian area these same people would applaud and lionize it, but since it went through a Muslim area it's "Islamophobic" and "fascist" and obviously intended to provoke peaceful Muslims into rioting.
For some fucking reason Islam is always at the top of the progressive stack. Why I don't know since it seems to go beyond the usual fetish for "brown people", but I do know it's practically suicidal.
 
It's very easy, and it's a component of different factors.

1- White guilt / guilt over the Iraq war and Bush era and all the guilt left-wing/virtue-signaling media puts over countries that don't allow muslim refugees.
2- "Muh exotic brown people/religion." Since you don't see these people creaming themselves over hinduists, latino catholics, or shinto/buddhist asians.
3- Trump dislikes them, so they must be good.
 
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Being homosexual is Islamophobic!

https://squawker.org/culture-wars/a...e-claims-gay-people-are-offensive-to-muslims/
https://web.archive.org/web/2018020...e-claims-gay-people-are-offensive-to-muslims/
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cAowWVrpEgs


I really don't understand why hardcore leftists are throwing LGBT people under the bus in favor of Muslims. If a gay pride parade went through a predominately Christian area these same people would applaud and lionize it, but since it went through a Muslim area it's "Islamophobic" and "fascist" and obviously intended to provoke peaceful Muslims into rioting.
It's at the point where if someone says we need to accept muslim refugees, my natural next question is... they are refugees from what, exactly? Because apparently the sharia nations that slaughter gay people aren't doing anything wrong, apparently there's nothing wrong or bad about the religious rule that governs their homeland. So if the refugees can condemn religious tyranny by leaving it, why can't European natives condemn it when people bring it to their neighborhood?
 
You know, I actually hope all of these feminists in Europe continue to support Muslim immigration, that way when one day, when it comes back to bite them all in the ass once Sharia Law goes into effect, they wont even be allowed to bitch about "muh patriarchy" without Akmad and Mohammad telling them to shut the fuck up and put the Hijab on before you get the shit kicked out of you, then they'll know what true oppression is really like.
 
You know, I actually hope all of these feminists in Europe continue to support Muslim immigration, that way when one day, when it comes back to bite them all in the ass once Sharia Law goes into effect, they wont even be allowed to bitch about "muh patriarchy" without Akmad and Mohammad telling them to shut the fuck up and put the Hijab on before you get the shit kicked out of you, then they'll know what true oppression is really like.
yea that would be really satisfying
but then i'd have to live under Sharia Law too and that would be less satisfying
 
It's very easy, and it's a component of different factors.

1- White guilt / guilt over the Iraq war and Bush era and all the guilt left-wing/virtue-signaling media puts over countries that don't allow muslim refugees.
2- "Muh exotic brown people/religion." Since you don't see these people creaming themselves over hinduists, latino catholics, or shinto/buddhist asians.
3- Trump dislikes them, so they must be good.

The media went crazy after 9/11 and assumed that all the stupid people they looked down on would go on a pogroms of muslims. This lead to Muslims becoming an elevated class above criticism in upper middle class circles.
 
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