Islamophiles / Regressive Left - Liberal non-Muslims who are desperate to protect the Religion of Peace

[DICKPICSRUS]

I believe the purpose of using that as a point is to state that most of the victims of terrorism/extremism are Muslims themselves. DAESH has bombed my country Kuwait, Tunisia, and even Iraq and Syria where most of them are located. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

They even burnt alive a Jordanian pilot who was confirmed to be Muslim.

Any Muslim who disagrees with what they do is considered fair game.

The biggest problem is the far-left's claim that EVERY Muslim is a good, upstanding citizen. That's not true.
Though many of us ARE good people, there's a major problem with terrorists and people with extremely-conservative beliefs. Unless these splinter beliefs get weeded out we'll have to expect more incidents.

Is it slot of violence between Muslims between Sunni vs shia

 

[Viracocha]

Ah yes... how can we forget the bastion of Wahabbism, where they have to be told to stop bulldozing sites from the Prophet Mohammad's life... the custodian of two of the holiest cities in Islam bulldozes actual fucking UNESCO sites in the name of stamping out idolatry.

Someone remind me why we still enable these barbarians again? Seriously, we condemn Daesh for doing this shit, yet the Saudis get a free pass... it's fucking wrong on so many levels.

Let's not forget their destruction of an old Ottoman fortress...

For the construction of this architectural monstrosity.

We're getting a bit off-topic, so I'm gonna repost something I posted in the social justice warriors thread last year:

Massive tl;dr warning, I go all out on this one. But I think the read is worth it.

Muslims are the True Feminists
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Um, lol, okay. I'm not even going to bother addressing these points in order. Strap in everyone, you're in for a bumpy, rambling ride.

• Alright, first and foremost, we need to address the core argument here, which the author has proposed thusly: "Woman who wear hijab have freed themselves from a man’s and a society’s judgmental gaze."I see this argument presented all the time, both from Muslims and Muslim-friendly feminists. They argue that Muslim women are more empowered because they're seen for their "minds" and not their bodies. Sorry, no, that's bullshit. I think it's fucking bullshit that, in order for women to "free" themselves from judgement, they have to completely cover their bodies. I'm not going to drape myself in yards of fabric to get men to respect me, and I can't believe a "feminist" is actually saying that it's a good idea. Maybe instead we should be telling men to respect women as fellow human beings regardless of what they're wearing (I'm not trying to throw shade at any men here, btw; in Western societies this is mostly the case already).
• Wearing a hijab/niqab/burqa/etc is not a choice for far too many women. There may not be laws telling them they have to cover themselves, and their fathers, brothers, and husbands may be fine with them wearing whatever they want, but the culture at large will bully them into covering themselves. Women who do not cover their heads- even if they're modestly dressed otherwise- are often subjected to sexual harassment because women who do not cover their hair are seen as loose at best and actual whores at worst. For example, in 1960s-1980s Egypt, many (if not most) women did not wear headscarves. Nowadays basically all women cover themselves in a desperate attempt to not get sexually harassed (not so fun fact: 99% of Egyptian women have faced sexual harassment). Not that it works.
• To be frank, I don't understand the appeal of covering everything but your face and hands (to say nothing of the dress styles that take it even further). I consider myself to be a modest dresser, but I still wear shorts and t-shirts. So when I look at women who have everything but their eyes covered, I just can't understand how they could be happy wearing all that, especially when it's hot outside. Not only does it seem uncomfortable, it seems to create an unbearable sense of isolation. Now, I don't look at every women wearing a hijab and think "omg you poor victim," I just don't understand it.
• I don't really buy the "Muhammad was totally a feminist, you guys" argument when you consider that the Quran itself basically asserts that women are only worth half as much as men. Why else do women inherit half of what their male relatives do? And why else is the testimony of two women worth the testimony of one man? Or that Muslim women must always be available to sexually satisfy their husbands, but not the other way around? Or that men are allowed to marry up to four women but women can only have one husband? Or how about the fact that men are explicitly given permission to rape female slaves?
• Ah, the Khadija argument. I think that Khadija's story is very admirable. However, it's very important to remember that Khadija attained her success before Islam even existed. If anything, her life story affirms that things weren't that terrible for women before Islam. And how many women like Khadija were there after Islam? I'm sure there were quite a few, but still, let's not act like she's the poster child for Muslim women.
• "Muslim women, as well as Muslim men, see every body as a sacred temple, especially the female body." While there are no doubt many Muslims who view the body this way, I think it's disingenuous to present this as the typical Muslim outlook. In actuality, many Muslim men (Wahhabists being chief among them) view the female body not as a sacred temple, but as a source of corruption. This view is especially prominent in underdeveloped and Wahhabist-influenced areas. In fact, women in Saudi Arabia and similarly extreme societies are so segregated from men not because they're viewed as respectable, but because they're contemptible. They think that even the sound of a woman's voice or the sight of her uncovered arm can lead men astray into a life of sexually deviancy. Again, I know that this is not the case for tons of Muslims, but unfortunately this view is becoming more and more common as Wahhabism continues to spread.
• Glorifying the hijab and Islamic female dress encourages victim-blaming and rape culture. Think I'm throwing out a bunch of buzzwords? Think again, fam. They've set up fucking anti-rape classes for migrants in countries like Norway and Finland because they come from cultures where all "good women" veil themselves and only whores walk around with their hair uncovered and their arms showing. There is also the extremely pervasive idea that women are always responsible for rape; after all, if she was a good, moral woman, she wouldn't have gone out unescorted by her father/brother/husband and she would have covered herself. Men can't be held accountable for not containing their urges.

And this last point is so mind-numbingly stupid that I had to break it off into its own section. It's really, really bad, you guys.

"I finally understood who is really oppressed by a patriarchal society and it is us." Shut the fuck up, you stupid bitch. Shut. The fuck. UP. No, things aren't perfect for women anywhere. We still have shit we have to deal with and a lot of outdated ideas to combat. But the amount of progress Western women have made in just 100 years is absolutely fucking insane. We can vote. We can drive. We can buy, sell, and inherit property. We can wear whatever we want. We can marry (or not marry) whoever we choose- and that includes other women. We can work whatever jobs we want to work. We can receive whatever education we want. We are considered fundamentally equal to men before the law and by society at large. We are in charge of our own lives and our own destinies. We don't need to depend on men to take care of us, we can live with them as equals and support one another.

Women in most Muslim-majority countries only have a couple of those rights, if any at all. I would honestly rather kill myself than live in a patriarchal country where women are considered property. If you think that the United States or the UK or France is more patriarchal than Pakistan or Afganistan or Saudi Arabia then you have fucking brain damage.

Okay, I'm done. I have even more to say but I've been writing this post for like an hour and a half and I'm honestly pretty salty right now.

What I find hilariously mind-numbing is that, no joke, any argument in favor of Islamic feminism is also applicable to Christianity about a hundred times over. Christians take into account the issue of modesty without going batshit over it. They rarely go on raping spergouts over seeing fucking hair. Or arms. Nor do they remotely justify these acts of barbarism through Scripture.

Yet it's the progressives who bitch and moan about Christianity being so patriarchal, citing the Westboro Baptist Church as an example while trivializing the existence of ISIS, a real terrorist organization on their doorstep. All because Christians are WHITE BIGOTED FUCKING MALES while Muslims are OPPRESSED, SCRUTINIZED PRECIOUS INNOCENT POC BROWN PEOPLE!!!!!!! Shoot me.

 

[AnOminous]

The crusades were the result of Islam trying to invade the Iberian peninsula.
Do they know that?

That's one way of looking at it, but pretty much everyone capable of invading some other country was doing that shit at that time in history.

Aside from the fact that flying in an entire armies worth of fighting-aged men who are openly violent towards your culture is just, you know, unbelievably stupid, it's also really insulting to any innocent refugees who had their entire lives torn apart just to escape these assholes. It's like giving your spare bedroom to a friend who's being beaten by her husband so she has a chance to rebuild her life, then a week later telling her he's going to be crashing on your couch for a while. How do you help this happen on a nation wide scale and not feel like a complete asshole?

Want to hear something sexist?

There is no more dangerous animal in the world than a single human male, especially one from a patriarchal, misogynistic culture.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Here's some prize regressive left autism.

In December 2015, ex Muslim atheist speaker Maryam Namazie came to Goldsmiths University in London to give a talk on things. Islamists came into the talk just to disrupt it, accuse her of violating their safe space and being Islamophobic and then acting like cunts.

What really caused me ungovernable quantities of rage was when... wait for it... Goldsmiths Feminist Society came out in support of the Islamist fucknuts because MUH INTERSECTIONALITY. Apparently getting a female Muslim apostate of colour to explain why she left Islam and suchlike is creating a "climate of hatred."

http://goldfemsoc.tumblr.com/post/134396957048/goldsmiths-feminist-society-stands-in-solidarity
https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpres...ims-opposing-feminist-speaker-maryam-namazie/

 

[Jan_Hus]

Let's not forget their destruction of an old Ottoman fortress...
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For the construction of this architectural monstrosity.

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What I find hilariously mind-numbing is that, no joke, any argument in favor of Islamic feminism is also applicable to Christianity about a hundred times over. Christians take into account the issue of modesty without going batshit over it. They rarely go on raping spergouts over seeing fucking hair. Or arms. Nor do they remotely justify these acts of barbarism through Scripture.

Yet it's the progressives who bitch and moan about Christianity being so patriarchal, citing the Westboro Baptist Church as an example while trivializing the existence of ISIS, a real terrorist organization on their doorstep. All because Christians are WHITE BIGOTED FUCKING MALES while Muslims are OPPRESSED, SCRUTINIZED PRECIOUS INNOCENT POC BROWN PEOPLE!!!!!!! Shoot me.

I need to take a break from this thread before I go full Deus Vult.

Ottoman Islam is also anathema to modern Wahabbist barbarians because it has legal protections for non Muslims (namely the Orthodox Zoroastrian and the Jews).

 

[TheImportantFart]

In December 2015, ex Muslim atheist speaker Maryam Namazie came to Goldsmiths University in London to give a talk on things. Islamists came into the talk just to disrupt it, accuse her of violating their safe space and being Islamophobic and then acting like cunts.



What really caused me ungovernable quantities of rage was when... wait for it... Goldsmiths Feminist Society came out in support of the Islamist fucknuts because MUH INTERSECTIONALITY. Apparently getting a female Muslim apostate of colour to explain why she left Islam and suchlike is creating a "climate of hatred."

I remember this! Even the progressives on my Facebook, who usually defend Islam, were absolutely furious about this which is saying a lot.

Goldsmiths is an absolute joke anyway. Bahar Mustafa was the diversity office at Goldsmiths and they also produced Cat Conway who threw a fit in a Nickelodeon store because all the products were "gendered".

 

[Cosmos]

Here's some prize regressive left autism.

In December 2015, ex Muslim atheist speaker Maryam Namazie came to Goldsmiths University in London to give a talk on things. Islamists came into the talk just to disrupt it, accuse her of violating their safe space and being Islamophobic and then acting like cunts.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=kl0sI47tVgY
What really caused me ungovernable quantities of rage was when... wait for it... Goldsmiths Feminist Society came out in support of the Islamist fucknuts because MUH INTERSECTIONALITY. Apparently getting a female Muslim apostate of colour to explain why she left Islam and suchlike is creating a "climate of hatred."

http://goldfemsoc.tumblr.com/post/134396957048/goldsmiths-feminist-society-stands-in-solidarity
https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpres...ims-opposing-feminist-speaker-maryam-namazie/

I was going to write a response, but someone else already took the words right out of my mouth:

 

[Ginger Piglet]

I remember this! Even the progressives on my Facebook, who usually defend Islam, were absolutely furious about this which is saying a lot.

Goldsmiths is an absolute joke anyway. Bahar Mustafa was the diversity office at Goldsmiths and they also produced Cat Conway who threw a fit in a Nickelodeon store because all the products were "gendered".

I looked through the rest of the Goldfemsoc Tumblr. Their recent activities include a masterclass on how to call someone out and a seminar on "problematic faves." It's like their entire understanding of feminism is based on fucking Tumblr.

Goldsmiths Islamic Society seem to have an awful lot of aid drives to Syria. I'd be interested to know how much of it ends up in the hands of the needy in war-torn Syria and how much of it ends up in the hands of Daeshbags, insurgents, and similar.

https://www.facebook.com/Goldsmithsisoc/?ref=aymt_homepage_panel

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

I like how it's okay to criticize extremists of any religion except the one that is currently the most violent.

 

[Secret Asshole]

The thing is that the left won't abandon Islam until it is far too late in this current political climate. The real thing is that the defense of Islam is rooted in 9/11 and the reaction of the United States against Muslims and Muslim countries. Especially with the invasion of Iraq and how unpopular it was. You then get the narrative of 'oh these poor oppressed Muslims with American Imperialism'.

It made an easy divide for them, whoever disliked Muslims was on the right, and if you liked them you were on the left. The problem is the Iraq war is over and this idea still hasn't left and in fact has only been reinforced. Essentially, the defense of Muslims is the ultimate virtue signal, showing how 'tolerant' you are even though the community is toxic, violent and completely against your ideology.

ITs an easy way to show how 'progressive' you are and how low they are on the progressive stack. Its a very white, Western way to view an ideology. It honestly doesn't matter how many terrorist attacks happen. The only way anything will be done is a majority of people get fed up and start to do something. The left uses Muslims as easy virtue signaling and progressive points, they will never give it up. You see it in articles like 'The motives of the Pulse Shooter Remain a Mystery', when its obvious he pledged his allegiance to ISIS and named he was doing it for the Caliph.

The left will not change, no matter how many bodies fall. They must be beaten into submission by the majority and forced to the fringes. Otherwise we are going to have to endure a lot more death and violence.

 

[AnOminous]

The thing is that the left won't abandon Islam until it is far too late in this current political climate. The real thing is that the defense of Islam is rooted in 9/11 and the reaction of the United States against Muslims and Muslim countries. Especially with the invasion of Iraq and how unpopular it was. You then get the narrative of 'oh these poor oppressed Muslims with American Imperialism'.

What's absurdly dumb about this, other than the fact Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, is that Saddam Hussein was a secular dictator. Invading Iraq had literally nothing to do with Islam, even though Dubya himself called it a "Crusade," I'm not sure exactly why. Probably because he was a really dumb guy.

We should seriously go back to our policy of backing secular dictators in the Middle East. They're better than the theocratic warlords we'd otherwise have to deal with.

That or just nuke the entire region for the good of humanity.

 

[Shokew]

I was waiting for someone to post a thread on this... With proper insight and examples of just how sad and fucked up this is, especially. Thanks for that, OP.

Now, I'll say this much - Yes, religion is a powerful tool that can bring people together, push them away, make people think, etc. However, if I can think of why more and more people are thinking mostly negatively about said topic in general and/or are actively are pushed away as the years go by - well people who aren't apologists (e.g.: cowards sucking up to) for these fucks, it's shite like this, honestly, and just how sad / embarrassing it is to deal with.

I'm sorry - Islam just ain't all that compatible with any modern day ideals - for anyone, nor anything - and it never will be, knowing how it's clearly limits, or better yet, hurts more people than it helps. Similar to how pushing Christianity or any other religion on anyone & everyone is obviously bad, this somehow manages to be worse, once you observe how many fucking countries that had a chance to evolve has been ruined by such BS - something these apologists fucks don't understand and have yet to.

It's definitely not helped that none of these apologists do much of enough research on just what shitholes these damn invasives come from and how they ended up that way in the first place.

Honestly, If these apologist cowards want to live in the Middle East hat badly, which is where I humbly recommend if they want to be OK with this shite (instead of just apologizing for these Islamic infested hellholes), however - by all means. Just get this crap off my TV (e.g.: this ain't nightly news!), off my internet (e.g.: where almost all these apologists are known to be denizens), and definitely out of my sight, thank you very much.

 

[Cryin RN]

Or how about the fact that men are explicitly given permission to rape female slaves?

To add a fun fact to that excellent effortpost, Islamic text actually goes out of its way to forbid women from raping their male slaves. Because that would be slutty, not because who gives a shit about slaves lol.

When a few years after Prophet Muhammad’s death, a young Muslim woman began sleeping with her male slave stating that “I thought that ownership by the right hand made lawful to me what it makes lawful to men”, Umar Ibn Khattab, who judged the ‘matter’, sternly rebuked her and announced that she had acted “in Ignorance” (i.e., like women did in pre-Islamic time) and deliberately misinterpreted the message of the Quran. In other words, Quran does not make lawful to women what it makes lawful to men; their rights are not the same. He then banned her from ever marrying a free man (Musannaf of `Abd al-Razzaq al-Sanani in Ali, 2010).

 

[Secret Asshole]

What's absurdly dumb about this, other than the fact Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, is that Saddam Hussein was a secular dictator. Invading Iraq had literally nothing to do with Islam, even though Dubya himself called it a "Crusade," I'm not sure exactly why. Probably because he was a really dumb guy.

We should seriously go back to our policy of backing secular dictators in the Middle East. They're better than the theocratic warlords we'd otherwise have to deal with.

That or just nuke the entire region for the good of humanity.

There's a huge reason why only secular dictators rule the region; because the insane extremists would basically destroy the entire region. Which, well, just look what happens when you remove the most powerful secular dictators. Hell on Earth.

I wrote this in the MovieBob thread, but modern regressive only view the world in terms of only black and white. Secular Dictators Bad = Islam Good. That's why you see them constantly saying ISIS and terrorists 'aren't real Muslims', because they are the bad guys. In the black and white world view, they can't be anything else but NOT Muslims. SJWs want the world to be a safe space, and give those poor ME people democracy. ME is not ready for democratic rule. If it were, theocratic dictatorships would be voted in and there goes your democracy.

Do I hate Assad, Ghaddafi and Saddam? Yes. They were cruel, vicious, bastards who deserve to rot in hell. Was the world better off if they were left to their own devices? Absolutely, unequivocally yes. This is what I like to call, 'dark grey'. They're evil, but the damage done and lives lost would be far, far worse if they were removed from power.

The regressive left does not understand this. They will conflate this statement with the fact that I support all those dictators and therefore I am bad. This stems from their college courses. They don't teach critical thinking, but that you have to obey the professor's viewpoint or its wrong. This is less prevalent in STEM fields, where you actually have to critically think about things. Like in Organic Chemistry, you have to figure out how to produce a compound and then show its mechanism. There could be dozens of ways to do this. If it were comparable to gender studies or critical studies, you can only use one exact way that is rote, otherwise you get a C.

The regressives are perfect, predictable little sheep that are basically destroying leftist politics because reality doesn't follow their code of morality.

And yes, nuking that whole area would make the world 100x better. Or at least Sunni Islam. Sunni Islam is a fucking cancer that should be outlawed. And Saudi Arabia as a world power should be eradicated and every one of their imams imprisoned for life.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

There's a huge reason why only secular dictators rule the region; because the insane extremists would basically destroy the entire region. Which, well, just look what happens when you remove the most powerful secular dictators. Hell on Earth.

I wrote this in the MovieBob thread, but modern regressive only view the world in terms of only black and white. Secular Dictators Bad = Islam Good. That's why you see them constantly saying ISIS and terrorists 'aren't real Muslims', because they are the bad guys. In the black and white world view, they can't be anything else but NOT Muslims. SJWs want the world to be a safe space, and give those poor ME people democracy. ME is not ready for democratic rule. If it were, theocratic dictatorships would be voted in and there goes your democracy.

Do I hate Assad, Ghaddafi and Saddam? Yes. They were cruel, vicious, bastards who deserve to rot in hell. Was the world better off if they were left to their own devices? Absolutely, unequivocally yes. This is what I like to call, 'dark grey'. They're evil, but the damage done and lives lost would be far, far worse if they were removed from power.

The regressive left does not understand this. They will conflate this statement with the fact that I support all those dictators and therefore I am bad. This stems from their college courses. They don't teach critical thinking, but that you have to obey the professor's viewpoint or its wrong. This is less prevalent in STEM fields, where you actually have to critically think about things. Like in Organic Chemistry, you have to figure out how to produce a compound and then show its mechanism. There could be dozens of ways to do this. If it were comparable to gender studies or critical studies, you can only use one exact way that is rote, otherwise you get a C.

The regressives are perfect, predictable little sheep that are basically destroying leftist politics because reality doesn't follow their code of morality.

And yes, nuking that whole area would make the world 100x better. Or at least Sunni Islam. Sunni Islam is a fucking cancer that should be outlawed. And Saudi Arabia as a world power should be eradicated and every one of their imams imprisoned for life.

If Orgo was at all like gender studies, you'd spend ages flailing about how we should take into account the lived experiences of marginalised people when deciding which Grignard reagent to use.

 

[Slowboat to China]

The attitude I see a lot is if you bring up Islamic mistreatment of women, the 'philes respond with "Oh, NOW you care about feminism? Where were you when we were marching against Trump????" As if thinking the "male tears" meme is stupid equals supporting FGM. Fucking retards.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

The attitude I see a lot is if you bring up Islamic mistreatment of women, the 'philes respond with "Oh, NOW you care about feminism? Where were you when we were marching against Trump????" As if thinking the "male tears" meme is stupid equals supporting FGM. Fucking exceptional individuals.

Opposing FGM is cultural imperialism you shitlord.

 

[friedshrimp]

Goldfuck approves of people dying, because Trump opposes it.

 

[John Furrman]

I don't think Islam should reform as the religion states that any "innovation" to the religion is blasphemy.

So, you're fine with Islamist terrorism, is what you are implicitly saying here. It's axiomatic at this point: with no reform, comes no change. You can't have you cake and eat it too, nutella.

since there's plenty of us who are also discouraging or not even doing such actions

So in other words, you and a bunch of other "muslims" are doing nothing about it other than moral grandstanding and signalling your virtues while hundreds of innocent people who are MOSTLY OTHER MUSLIMS are killed in the name of Islam every month.

You should probably stop posting in this thread for a few days nutella, step back, and think about what the hell you are actually saying. Your apologetics are disgusting, and you are way too close to the issue at hand to ever have an objective view on the matter. Asking you to be objective about your religion is like asking a rape victim to be objective about their rape.

 

[Tubular Monkey]

I don't like anyone with a beard.