Is Chris "getting better"?

[Lelbron]

His recent sociability will only last as long as the Impulse gal pals want a gross, weird autismo in their life. I think the worst is yet to come, but I don't think we'll hear much about it.

 

[Innocuous]

Chris gets $1300 a month, has medicare and can work a part time job to make a shitload of extra money. If I was in his shoes, I'd find a cheap apartment, maybe a roommate, and just spend my time banging UVA students.

No way CWC would get a part-time job. It may get stressful, you know, lifting a garbage bag.

He does that stuff already.

He doesn't have a budget and his credit speaks for itself. How do you know he has a budget? That's ridiculous.

Nah, he knows those things.

Knowing is half the battle.

Improvement's a pretty diverse word. It would follow that there are lots of subtle differences in how you apply it.

I know there's different ways of improving, but how do you think CWC is improving exactly? Being more social isn't necessarily a positive thing.

We just haven't heard anything bad from him in awhile. Give it some time. Maybe next month he'll do something and then nobody will be ass-patting him anymore.

And yeah, if you're happy sitting on your ass and drinking whiskey all day, then go for it. When it stops being happy for you, stop doing it.

I'll tell my employer that tomorrow.

 

[Marvin]

He doesn't have a budget and his credit speaks for itself. How do you know he has a budget? That's ridiculous.

Because I might know Chris better than his own mother does. (Not really.) Chris has a budget and he's aware of his expenditures.

Like seriously, if anyone believes the cwcki is an accurate representation of Chris, they need to chill out and experience the real world for a bit. Get a handle on things.

 

[Innocuous]

Because I might know Chris better than his own mother does. (Not really.) Chris has a budget and he's aware of his expenditures.

Like seriously, if anyone believes the cwcki is an accurate representation of Chris, they need to chill out and experience the real world for a bit. Get a handle on things.

Okay, so how do you know CWC uses a budget? I'm talking a real budget, not "Mm, yeah. Paid my phone bill" I mean, "This month: 800 for rent, 200 for groceries, 100 for gas" etc. things that an adult does.

Sure CWC is very aware of how he spends money, he just uses it unwisely. So as you put it,

he's aware of his expenditures

is fairly accurate

CWC will never improve to the level of a real adult. He has to admit he has problems or the change won't happen. I'll be so glad when he stops getting ass-pats and does something stupid again. "Look guys, she hasn't maced, threatened to mace, or destroyed store property in over 6 months! Give her a cookie for being a decent human being!"

 

[Master Miller]

His recent sociability will only last as long as the Impulse gal pals want a gross, weird autismo in their life. I think the worst is yet to come, but I don't think we'll hear much about it.

Clubs like impulse attract a whole lot of odd balls, I don't think he's as out of place there as he is in society. They're generally pretty tolerant too, until Chrs does something disruptive, it's likely he'll be accepted as that weird fat guy with the interests of an eight year old. Chris is unlikely to have a set budget, but he vaguely understands that if he spends too much on legos, he'll struggle with the bills. He probably gets it wrong from time to time, but I don't think he'd completely bankrupt himself. Barb's more likely to be the one taking money sporadically and disrupting the delicate balance of his budgetting.

With regards to him actually improving, he's changed more than improved. He's not quite as gullible or intolerant any more, but classic Chris behaviour is still very present and he's actually hurt people through his antics. Chris is probably better adapted to survival, mostly out of necessity after Bob died. Classic Chris relied on his parents a great deal, he'd max out his credit cards and had no life skills. Admittedly, he's no Bear Grylls, but as discussed in the "When Barb dies" thread, I feel Chris could just about manage, as long as he coped emotionally.

 

[Marvin]

Okay, so how do you know CWC uses a budget? I'm talking a real budget, not "Mm, yeah. Paid my phone bill" I mean, "This month: 800 for rent, 200 for groceries, 100 for gas" etc. things that an adult does.

What adult does those things? I sure don't.

Keeping a mental, running total of your expenses is easily sufficient for someone in Chris' position.

WC will never improve to the level of a real adult. He has to admit he has problems or the change won't happen.

What problems? Not that Chris doesn't have problems, but people's standards for what counts as a problem for Chris seem to be really bizarre and distanced from anything helpful to Chris himself.

 

[Ravenor]

You know, I think it's a 50-50 sort of situation. He has gotten better in regard to things like socializing more and keeping his life private.

On the other hand, it's only been 8 months since the Gamestop incident. Chris is still getting banned from places and he has the potential for a massive public chimpout at any time. The macing incident caught us completely off-guard and I have the feeling it won't be the last time Fatty gets in trouble with the law.

I know Marvin and others love to go on about how Chris is finally becoming a normie but I'm not completely buying it just yet. He's still a man baby that has deep psychogical scars from being a shut-in for years and having Barb as a mother. Bellydancing lessons with a hippy won't change that.

It think it's because after all this time some people have become emotionally invested in Chris so they take any positive steps an make them seem bigger than they really are. As I said in my last post every time he seems to be taking a few baby steps forward he takes one big step backwards and old Chris rises from the bottom like a floater in the swimming pool.

The problem is Chris was fundamentally unfixable after the age of 15 or so anything approaching normalcy wasn't ever going to be on the cards for him unless he is forced to he wont do things other people his own age group normally do like hold down a job. Any improvements he makes are minor and surface only, don't get me wrong I am really happy he is making money from his infamy, and being more social than he has in years but it will only last so long and then it will be back to sulking in his room counting all the tail less Pikachu amebos.

I hope I am wrong and he continues to improve, but like you I'm not buying it.

 

[Marvin]

It think it's because after all this time some people have become emotionally invested in Chris so they take any positive steps an make them seem bigger than they really are. As I said in my last post every time he seems to be taking a few baby steps forward he takes one big step backwards and old Chris rises from the bottom like a floater in the swimming pool.

The problem is Chris was fundamentally unfixable after the age of 15 or so anything approaching normalcy wasn't ever going to be on the cards for him unless he is forced to he wont do things other people his own age group normally do like hold down a job. Any improvements he makes are minor and surface only, don't get me wrong I am really happy he is making money from his infamy, and being more social than he has in years but it will only last so long and then it will be back to sulking in his room counting all the tail less Pikachu amebos.

I hope I am wrong and he continues to improve, but like you I'm not buying it.

I don't say Chris is becoming normal. I just think people have really dumb standards for what Chris "should" do.

For example, anyone who says Chris should get a job really aren't considering his motivations and his situation. Chris has zero reason to get a job. Getting a job would make Chris' life shittier. He'd be much more unhappy, and the only benefit he'd get is a little extra money. Chris has all the money he wants right now. Saying Chris should get a job in his situation is retarded.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

I mostly agree with Marvin about his finances, but I'm also of the belief that he isn't thinking about what dealing with his credit cards in the future will be like and that if shit goes south he probably assumes "someone will be taking care of that".

I also think Marvin is explaining things not so much objectively, but more from Chris's perspective, if that makes sense. Such as when he says Chris had no reason to pursue employment. (Please correct me if that's not accurate.)

 

[Marvin]

I mostly agree with Marvin about his finances, but I'm also of the belief that he isn't thinking about what dealing with his credit cards in the future will be like and that if shit goes south he probably assumes "someone will be taking care of that".

Yeah, that doesn't sound like a pretty picture.

I also think Marvin is explaining things not so much objectively, but more from Chris's perspective, if that makes sense. Such as when he says Chris had no reason to pursue employment. (Please correct me if that's not accurate.)

That's on target.

Like, I do agree that there are objective standards you could hold Chris to, and that would improve his life. But literally, the only way that could happen is if Barb died and someone took over as her and spent years training Chris to improve his life.

Until then, Chris is genuinely, reasonably doing what he can. There are a few ways he could do better, like not getting banned from every fucking place in town. But despite that, his life is still pretty decent, considering the circumstances. The only way he could do substantially better is if one of you guys assassinated Barb and replaced her.

 

[AnOminous]

I mostly agree with Marvin about his finances, but I'm also of the belief that he isn't thinking about what dealing with his credit cards in the future will be like and that if shit goes south he probably assumes "someone will be taking care of that".

I also think Marvin is explaining things not so much objectively, but more from Chris's perspective, if that makes sense. Such as when he says Chris had no reason to pursue employment. (Please correct me if that's not accurate.)

From an objective standpoint, if he had a job, he'd likely lose it for being Chris eventually. The result might very well be that if he had been "lucky" enough to keep the job long enough, he'd also have lost the tugboat, so he'd be basically completely fucked.

He really would have to be retarded to risk that.

 

[Ravenor]

I don't say Chris is becoming normal. I just think people have really dumb standards for what Chris "should" do.

For example, anyone who says Chris should get a job really aren't considering his motivations and his situation. Chris has zero reason to get a job. Getting a job would make Chris' life shittier. He'd be much more unhappy, and the only benefit he'd get is a little extra money. Chris has all the money he wants right now. Saying Chris should get a job in his situation is retarded.

In the past I have advocated Chris "Getting a job" but that was mostly just to get him out the house for a few hours of the week, seeing as he is doing that now and not just sitting in the back of the club but going to events and taking a course in something he's interested in he is now getting out the house an not solely relying on barb for human contact.

As for money, I would have differed with you until he started selling stuff now he does have a extra source of income he is a man of relatively simple tastes an quite easy to make happy (volume not withstanding) and when Barb goes to the great goodwill in sky an no longer pilfering from him when she needs money he will be able to plan his spending a little better.

An your right some peoples opinions of what he should do are messed up, some are either far to low of far to high. Chris is incapable in a lot of areas and marginally capable in others and is a real scattershot of "Functioning" he's never going to be normal but he is never going to be truly incapable either, what is important to note as you have pointed out he is legally considered capable he can sign off on a legal document (I would like to see that tested), can drive a car, can read and write, and can dress and feed himself but that is also a very narrow legal definition that can't (an in some aspects shouldn't) take into account of the quality of what he does.

 

[JULAY]

Yeah, that doesn't sound like a pretty picture.

The only way he could do substantially better is if one of you guys assassinated Barb and replaced her.

Now that you mention it...

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I'd say he's getting savvier--he's not posting videos and he's being slightly more careful, he's getting out more, he's being more sociable, but I wouldn't say he's getting better.

He thinks he did nothing wrong when he maced a guy, and is instead blaming SEGA, and is still using autism, trolls, and every single thing that's wrong with him as a crutch. The moment he shows remorse, shows some clarity, then I'll say he's getting better.

Agreed, brother! That is what I was also trying to say

 

[Innocuous]

What adult does those things? I sure don't.

Any adult that wants to know how their money is spent. If you work part time, you should know it goes pretty fast.

What problems? Not that Chris doesn't have problems, but people's standards for what counts as a problem for Chris seem to be really bizarre and distanced from anything helpful to Chris himself.

I think that most normal people wouldn't pose in their mother's underwear, take pictures of themselves, masturbate in the family kitchen, buy thousands of dollars in Lego sets, and I could go on. These things are facts, they aren't exaggerated.

 

[Marvin]

I think that most normal people wouldn't pose in their mother's underwear, take pictures of themselves, masturbate in the family kitchen, buy thousands of dollars in Lego sets, and I could go on. These things are facts, they aren't exaggerated.

People send nudes to other people all the time.

And what's the problem with Chris spending thousands on lego sets? If you've got spare cash to spend, and you want to spend it, what's the problem?

 

[GS 281]

I think the most astute point in this entire thread is that Chris isn't getting better, society has become more permissible of Chris' antics.

 

[Innocuous]

People send nudes to other people all the time.

And what's the problem with Chris spending thousands on lego sets? If you've got spare cash to spend, and you want to spend it, what's the problem?

Really sounds like you're fucking with me.

 

[Marvin]

Really sounds like you're fucking with me.

No, seriously. People send each other nudes all the time. If a prospective partner asked for something a little "kinky", many people would oblige. The only reason I know better than to do stuff like that is because I know things about the internet and computers. (Well, although the internet has become more of a normal thing, so people are wising up to stuff like that. But as the Ashley Madison hack shows us, they're not wising up quickly enough.)

And as far as spending money goes, again, if I have $50 birthday money from my grandma, I'm going to spend it on whatever I want to. That's completely reasonable. The analogy scales too, especially if you have bottomless money to spend, like Chris does. He pays his bills and has a shitload of money left over. There's very little reason not to expect him not spend it on whatever he wants.

 

[Innocuous]

No, seriously. People send each other nudes all the time. If a prospective partner asked for something a little "kinky", many people would oblige. The only reason I know better than to do stuff like that is because I know things about the internet and computers. (Well, although the internet has become more of a normal thing, so people are wising up to stuff like that. But as the Ashley Madison hack shows us, they're not wising up quickly enough.)

And as far as spending money goes, again, if I have $50 birthday money from my grandma, I'm going to spend it on whatever I want to. That's completely reasonable. The analogy scales too, especially if you have bottomless money to spend, like Chris does. He pays his bills and has a shitload of money left over. There's very little reason not to expect him not spend it on whatever he wants.

Sorry, but $50 in birthday money is different than having multiple credit cards and being thousands of dollars in debt. That is not spending extra money. Please stop with the ass-patting.

Also I guarantee that no guy on Ashley Madison wore his mom's underwear. It's more disgusting when you consider that CWC has spooned with his own mother, and has admitted to this.