Is Chris "getting better"?

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Has Chris improved? In what way?
Emotionally? He has consistently refused to accept responsibility for his own actions. Vandalize property? [Well, it was HexBox's fault he was mad.] Threaten store employers? [They should know better than to interfere with an autistic person when he's in a bad mood and being forced to hide merchandise and disrupt sales bc reasons.] Mace a guy at his workplace? [ If SEGA hadn't blarmed Sonic, he wouldn't have had to, now would he? ] He flares up in a heartbeat and will insult his friends if they displease him (hi Kim).

Being a mature adult? He's still fiddling with toys all day. He tried having jobs before - he failed miserably at them. He doesn't understand how to job. No, I stand corrected. He learned how to job eBay and get ppl to spend money on worthless crap and terrible art.

Socially? Chris is socializing in public in the same way he "socialized" on the Internet. He talks at ppl, they give each other looks and realize there's something off there. It's inevitable. Chris has a genetic/chromosomal abnormality that affects the way he interacts with the world. Plus a egotistical personality. That will never change.
 
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TaterBot said:
Being a mature adult? He's still fiddling with toys all day. He tried having jobs before - he failed miserably at them. He doesn't understand how to job. No, I stand corrected. He learned how to job eBay and get ppl to spend money on worthless crap and shitty art.
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Thinking Chris should try to get a job is really retarded. There's no reason for Chris to get a job. Chris has all the money he needs. A job would just make him miserable and he would gain no substantial benefits in return.
TaterBot said:
Socially? Chris is socializing in public in the same way he "socialized" on the Internet. He talks at ppl, they give each other looks and realize there's something off there. It's inevitable. Chris has a genetic/chromosomal abnormality that affects the way he interacts with the world. Plus a egotistical personality. That will never change.
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No, IRL, conversationally he's OK. Pretty quirky, but you can have a conversation with him. The biggest problem with talking with Chris is that he has very little knowledge about things that normal people talk about. Chris sounds like he talks at people because when you have normal conversations, he has nothing to contribute. But if you head towards topics he knows something about, or if you just accidentally strike gold with something normal, he does alright.

In my experience, anyway.
 
Mashed Potato Grenade said:
Could he even actually get a job? I don't see any company hiring him -- except perhaps for some disabled-related tax exemptions. Even then, Chris is too much of a liability to take the risk.
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Even the state of Virginia has companies (DSAs) which specialize in finding mentally disabled people work. Companies hire them because they work cheap, are easily abused and come with their own medical insurance. Chris could find work if he were made to do it. He could clear up his screwed-up finances if he were made to do it. But no one is going to make him do it.

Marvin said:
If you have a pulse, you can flip a burger.
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Except at Wendy's, apparently.
 
Marvin said:
If you have a pulse, you can flip a burger.
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Would such a job net him enough to be worth replacing the tugboat with? Remember, now he can do his art stuff too while he gets the tugboat, and this may be better than a minimal wage job.
 
Marvin, I don't agree that Chris has "shitloads of money" as long as Chris still has consumer debt, specifically credit card debt. Or has Chris paid off the credit card debt?

I mean, spending cash as it comes in while only paying the minimums or slightly over on credit cards doesn't meet any definitions of financial stability.
 
Marvin said:
Oh absolutely not. But any job he would get would supplement his tugboat, not replace it.
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Oh that's nice. Where I live, he would loose his tugboat faster than he can say blue arms. In that case he could try burger flipping if in need of cash for bills and such.
 
MrsFrizzle said:
Marvin, I don't agree that Chris has "shitloads of money" as long as Chris still has consumer debt, specifically credit card debt. Or has Chris paid off the credit card debt?
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I don't say he has shitloads of money. I say he has the optimal combination of money and happiness. He has all the money he wants to spend, without killing his soul doing retail work, for what is a pittance to him.

Like, he spent a few grand on legos over the course of a few months without any negative financial repercussions. I wish I could do shit like that.

And actually, what are the negative repercussions of maintaining large debt, long term? As far as I understand, the primary downside is that you just end up paying a lot, lot more than the principal. But what does that matter when you don't work for your money? It just means you're using your money very inefficiently. Which yeah, that's not smart, but the impact of that is up to Chris to decide.

If Chris enjoys his life regardless, despite using his money inefficiently, what does that matter? As far as I can tell, people who disagree with this are basically saying "haha, Chris does something dumb, doesn't notice it, and enjoys his life anyway! what a dumbass! lol!"

I don't get it, personally.

The other thing to consider is how this debt impacts his credit, and how important credit is to him. I'm not very experienced on this, so maybe someone can help me out, but does having a lot of debt, inherently, worsen your credit? Like, if you still pay the minimums, do you have bad credit or good credit?
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I mean, spending cash as it comes in while only paying the minimums or slightly over on credit cards doesn't meet any definitions of financial stability.
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In this context, stability means that Chris' finances over a period of, say, eight months are pretty stable and uneventful. I'd extend my estimate a lot further, but Barb kind of fucks around with that.

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Oh that's nice. Where I live, he would loose his tugboat faster than he can say blue arms. In that case he could try burger flipping if in need of cash for bills and such.
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Where are you? And yeah, Chris could flip burgers, but it's probably not necessary right now. It'd be a lot more important post-Barb, if he has to live on his own (especially if he's not in 14BC).
 
Marvin said:
I don't say he has shitloads of money. I say he has the optimal combination of money and happiness. He has all the money he wants to spend, without killing his soul doing retail work, for what is a pittance to him.

Like, he spent a few grand on legos over the course of a few months without any negative financial repercussions. I wish I could do shit like that.
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It's a weird paradox, where you envy Chris because he's pretty much settled without having to work a day in his life, but it comes at the cost of being Chris.
 
Male Idiot said:
That's how baby "sonichus" are supposed to look. No idea why, its dumb and has no reason going for it.
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They're like some abnormal, super-deformed Pikachu anomalies to me.

raymond said:
It's a weird paradox, where you envy Chris because he's pretty much settled without having to work a day in his life, but it comes at the cost of being Chris.
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Ain't that the truth?
 
Male Idiot said:
Would such a job net him enough to be worth replacing the tugboat with?
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If it were, he would be literally punished for getting a job.

Getting a job might make sense in some different context, but the perverse incentive of how Social Security does disability in cases like Chris's really creates a situation where he would not benefit in the least by having a job, unless there were some specific part-time job basically designed for him personally that he actually liked doing.
 
BillRiley said:
Chris could find work if he were made to do it
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I don't know. I'm guessing he would have to be a completely different person than what he is (and has been) all his life. Even a simple job: "Chris, have you finished mopping the floors?"
- I'm working on it.
- I can't because of my... mopping inspiration comes in and out.
- You dare to come in with a lecture during my peace?
- Shut up, Manajerk!
- Curse-ye-ha-me-haaaa!
- [Pulling out pepper spray] Don't call anybody!
 
Marvin said:
Thinking Chris should try to get a job is really retarded. There's no reason for Chris to get a job. Chris has all the money he needs. A job would just make him miserable and he would gain no substantial benefits in return.
No, IRL, conversationally he's OK. Pretty quirky, but you can have a conversation with him...he does alright.
In my experience, anyway.
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I never said Chris should get a job. Why should he? He'd be stressed and he'd probably get fired again. I get what you're saying, I really do, and I agree 100%. He's got his government hand-out and his online store and that's enough for him. Chris finally cottoned to cashing in on his Internet infamy, and it paid off. Good on him.

Ok, so Chris can converse satisfactorily in some capacity. Whether or not that capacity fits, depends on the setting and the other participants, I guess. Would you want to share more of your experiences along that line? I know there are a thousand questions people would like to ask you. Would you be willing to answer if anyone did ask you?
 
TaterBot said:
Ok, so Chris can converse satisfactorily in some capacity. Whether or not that capacity fits, depends on the setting and the other participants, I guess. Would you want to share more of your experiences along that line? I know there are a thousand questions people would like to ask you. Would you be willing to answer if anyone did ask you?
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I've got to toe a line between describing my experiences and revealing too much, lest some ween pester Chris that his guy friend from his bi-monthly hangout is spilling the beans on a few off-the-cuff conversations he had with Chris.

But yeah, so, it's kind of hard to evaluate conversations with spergs like Chris and compare them to conversations with normal people. You've got to consider if Chris is being an asshole for dominating the conversation, or if he's just overexcited and isn't aware that he's talking over you and ignoring your opinions. (Not that spergs aren't capable of being dominating assholes, but it's probably nice to consider that the sperg in question isn't aware of what he's doing.)

I'm slightly tipsy, so I might be able to clean up / clarify my thoughts in the morning, but:

In general, Chris is a tolerable conversation partner. His downsides are that he's not smart and doesn't have much that's interesting to say. But he's polite, he listen's to what you say. If he has something interesting to say relevant to the conversation, he'll bring it up. And to be honest, that's mostly cartoon references. But he tries to provide some conversation above that. Like, it's not just like "hehe hehe, dat was like dat family guy episode" and leave it at that. He tries, to some small extent, to provide some personal reference beyond the cartoon reference.

A funny thing that Chris does is that he does this little "tchyeah" thing. It sounds like Wayne from Wayne's World and comes off as kind of smug. I'm not sure Chris understands how smug he sounds doing it. Edit: Like, it sounds like Chris is rolling his eyes while he does it. "tchyeah, duhhh *chuckle*"

Also, I'm very confident that Chris socializes way better with men than women, just because the sex issue isn't on the table. There's no hidden motives or anything. Chris isn't constantly staring at my tits. He's not stroking my back talking about "hmm yeh, my mommy loves dis strong massage...".

There's no ulterior motives when Chris is dealing with men, which makes things a lot more productive.
 
Marvin said:
There's no ulterior motives when Chris is dealing with men, which makes things a lot more productive.
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But isn't that also why he doesn't even want to deal with those dang dirty males?
 
AnOminous said:
But isn't that also why he doesn't even want to deal with those dang dirty males?
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In some ways. The dang dirty males tell Chris the truth, like when he's being an asshat. Or when he should quit being such a faggot. Normal men go through this growing up. Chris gets offended, like most men, but he happens to have an out.

Chris ran away crying to his hired asspatters. They told him they liked him, with a lot of the truth omitted. Chris accepted this (like he does with every woman's comments), and took it as his view of the world. But this view of the world of a perfect place where he's the hero has been slowly eroding as time goes on. His protectors, primarily Barb, have been losing their ability to shield Chris from the reality of things.

Chris still wants to hold onto these beliefs but it's been increasingly harder to do that. He's been adapting, of course, and becoming more practical. But it's been slow moving.
 
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Marvin said:
And actually, what are the negative repercussions of maintaining large debt, long term? As far as I understand, the primary downside is that you just end up paying a lot, lot more than the principal. But what does that matter when you don't work for your money? It just means you're using your money very inefficiently. Which yeah, that's not smart, but the impact of that is up to Chris to decide.

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The other thing to consider is how this debt impacts his credit, and how important credit is to him. I'm not very experienced on this, so maybe someone can help me out, but does having a lot of debt, inherently, worsen your credit? Like, if you still pay the minimums, do you have bad credit or good credit?
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Yes, after a certain point, having a high debt-to-income ratio makes your credit not great (which is probably part of why Chris has a ridiculous monthly payment on the Ford Focus---didn't Chris say it was $140 during the Pumpkin Swirl incident?), even if you're always on time with minimum payments.

The other problem is that having used all of one's available credit and only paying the minimum means you can't pay upfront or take out credit for stuff like root canals or veterinary emergencies, which people with available credit can finance through things like CareCredit.

I guess you're right in saying Chris has all the money Chris wants, but Chris doesn't (in my opinion) have all the money (or access to money) Chris needs.

And this isn't even including the whole gender confirmation medical process, which is enormously expensive even if the basic surgery is entirely paid for by public benefits. There's stuff like electrolysis, plastic surgery...I don't know. It seems like the "pay the minimum, spend the cash as it comes in" approach could really hurt Chris in the long run, but if Chris doesn't care, it's no skin off my ass.
 
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