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Chadgarden fucked over by an ill-timed pit stop when the yellow comes out for Andretti spaghetti as he's in the pits. He drives all the way to the front just on pure speed again, and then Grug blows a tire while he and Lil Dave are in the pits. Guess who benefits? Alex fucking Palou. I'm tired of this.
Palou's doing great things this year but it's fucking tiring. He was handed this one repeatedly.

Also I'm over Will Buxton. He's 'gotten his footing' and thinks he can do being long winded speeches like Diffey did but he doesn't have the gift.
 
Just how Tony George wanted it except in a 'no no not like that' kind of way.
What I think he wanted in the mid-90's was a return to the days when everyone was just some kid from Iowa or Ohio driving an Offie-powered car and not a real series of international renown. Now that everything's much more expensive for the spectacle people want, those kids who he wanted to be the stars are even further off from greatness and NASCAR ate his lunch, dinner and next day's breakfast. Still, it's rather amazing how one man being so stupid managed to ruin so much.
 
What I think he wanted in the mid-90's was a return to the days when everyone was just some kid from Iowa or Ohio driving an Offie-powered car and not a real series of international renown. Now that everything's much more expensive for the spectacle people want, those kids who he wanted to be the stars are even further off from greatness and NASCAR ate his lunch, dinner and next day's breakfast. Still, it's rather amazing how one man being so stupid managed to ruin so much.
That is what he wanted, but that was never going to fuckin' work. When you'd watch like WoO back then you'd have drivers like Steve Kinser saying "Trying to get an IRL ride together" but I don't think any of them made it without other experience. And the attempt ended up inverting one of the big advantages open wheel had over stock cars ("You're a regional sport!"). Talking to Indycar fans now it's a bit worrying how most I talk to aren't just 'from Indiana' but the colloquial 'inside 465'.

(One big reaon Offy can't happen again of course was Patrick screwing over Ilmor and sending engines to Alfa to reverse engineer, which brought about the era of exorbitant engine leases and nobody being able to shoestring it anymore)

It's not all his fault but if he didn't start the IRL things would be better. It put both sides of the split in a bad spot when all the money went away. Which is another thing: In the 90s when I was a kid I distinctly remember thinking 'this tobacco sponsorship can't last forever' and I can't believe any of the sports' decision makers didn't figure that out.
 
That is what he wanted, but that was never going to fuckin' work. When you'd watch like WoO back then you'd have drivers like Steve Kinser saying "Trying to get an IRL ride together" but I don't think any of them made it without other experience. And the attempt ended up inverting one of the big advantages open wheel had over stock cars ("You're a regional sport!"). Talking to Indycar fans now it's a bit worrying how most I talk to aren't just 'from Indiana' but the colloquial 'inside 465'.

(One big reaon Offy can't happen again of course was Patrick screwing over Ilmor and sending engines to Alfa to reverse engineer, which brought about the era of exorbitant engine leases and nobody being able to shoestring it anymore)

It's not all his fault but if he didn't start the IRL things would be better. It put both sides of the split in a bad spot when all the money went away. Which is another thing: In the 90s when I was a kid I distinctly remember thinking 'this tobacco sponsorship can't last forever' and I can't believe any of the sports' decision makers didn't figure that out.
Hubris is a powerful drug, especially if one doesn't pay attention what was happening outside the continent. They like to imagine everything happening in a vaccuum and no innovation ever happening anywhere else, even if some big players like Porsche or one of the japanese conglomerates came in with a proper all-cylinders firing entry of maximum effort. Then again, I don't really see how a company like Dallara Automobili, who manufactures all these chassis would be able to function in the states where every company's expected to be more profitable every year regardless of sanity.
 
This retroactively makes me like Randy Bernard a lot better. He made a lot of mistakes trying to grow the sport, but he tried. Roger hasn't and is more content clinking glasses with his rich friends while the series maintains the status quo. A top-tier racing series having a points-paying race at a country club is fucking embarrassing. We're getting excited about things like the Texas race and the Fox deal as if stuff like that wasn't common a decade ago.
 
This retroactively makes me like Randy Bernard a lot better. He made a lot of mistakes trying to grow the sport, but he tried. Roger hasn't and is more content clinking glasses with his rich friends while the series maintains the status quo. A top-tier racing series having a points-paying race at a country club is fucking embarrassing. We're getting excited about things like the Texas race and the Fox deal as if stuff like that wasn't common a decade ago.
Thermal turned out to be one of the best races of the year. Like it or not, it’s staying.
 
Thermal turned out to be one of the best races of the year. Like it or not, it’s staying.
...they literally said it's gone, though? Which I somewhat agree, it was a decent race this time. But for next year at minimum it gone. (But it will be used for testing.)

Toronto wasn't bad at all. It was helped by Palou being on the wrong strat in the end, but hey, I'll take what I can get in that department.
 
...they literally said it's gone, though? Which I somewhat agree, it was a decent race this time. But for next year at minimum it gone. (But it will be used for testing.)

Toronto wasn't bad at all. It was helped by Palou being on the wrong strat in the end, but hey, I'll take what I can get in that department.
Sorry, I missed that. The race was good today. I have no issue with Palou. I like clean racing and he promotes that. I guess the issue is attendance because Fox’s ratings have been good. IMO most of the races are good and the ovals and competing with NASCAR are the issue. NASCAR is fucking boring outside of a handful of races like Daytona and Talladega, IMO.
 
I don't hate Palou. I can also enjoy dominant performances, win by lapping the field or have the championship tied up halfway through the year. But I also know that normie racing fans do not like that, and I have concerns what it will do for an already spiraling sport. Especially if, and I realize this isn't terribly likely, but we have two more years of this car. If Ganassi/Palou just have it figured out and nobody else does, it's going to be a long long wait.

If I didn't have to worry about Indycar being around five years from now, I'd be loving it.
 
I guess the issue is attendance because Fox’s ratings have been good. IMO most of the races are good and the ovals and competing with NASCAR are the issue. NASCAR is fucking boring outside of a handful of races like Daytona and Talladega, IMO.
Nascar's Truck and Xfinity races routinely get better attendance and television viewership than Indycar. And Indycar is nowhere near Cup Series. Xfinity beat Indycar again this week in television ratings. And this is with zero promotion from NASCAR. And Indycar running promos on Fox literally every hour. Indycar has major issues attracting crowds and the Fox deal is a disaster.

Outside of the Indy 500 there is nothing in Indycar that is better than NASCAR.
If I didn't have to worry about Indycar being around five years from now, I'd be loving it.
Roger Penske is killing Indycar. This is the worst year since the split years for sure. The series is close to being down to one manufacturer which is a death sentence. NASCAR is on its way to having possibly four or five manufacturers in Cup and possibly Trucks as well in the next decade.
 
Xfinity beat Indycar again this week in television ratings. And this is with zero promotion from NASCAR.
CW's promo of the Xfinity races is lowkey nuts though. One of their owners owns a ton of stations and they promo it on every one of those, regardless of affiliation.

Went home to visit family and the ABC station is running promo segments about the Xfinity race in the evening news.
 
Nascar's Truck and Xfinity races routinely get better attendance and television viewership than Indycar. And Indycar is nowhere near Cup Series. Xfinity beat Indycar again this week in television ratings. And this is with zero promotion from NASCAR. And Indycar running promos on Fox literally every hour. Indycar has major issues attracting crowds and the Fox deal is a disaster.

Outside of the Indy 500 there is nothing in Indycar that is better than NASCAR.
Ratings only matter when the races occur over the same time period. Of course NASCAR is more popular. But ratings aren’t the threat. NASCAR sucking attendance is.
 
I think it's been understated how bad Nolan Siegel has been. Not making it into the Fast 12 when your teammates go 1-2 is certainly...something. Considering that the other pay shitter warming a seat at a top team (Simpson) has been surprisingly decent, it makes it stand out even more.
 
I was at today's race - this is my one a year 'see a historical race for funsies' run.

I was pretty negative on Josef before but I'm now fully flipped because... I got to Victory Circle really fast. Like the third guy to congratulate Power was Scotty Mac, who booked it over there for his teammate. Josef? Nowhere to be found. ANZAC unity, sure, but in an organization like The Captain's after this year, you get your ass over there to thank the guy who pulled one out of this absolute apocalyptic year. If Roger cuts Will, he got no soul, man.

Even got some photos at Winner's Circle:
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And today all hell breaks loose. The Power screwjob is complete. Veekay out at Coyne. Insane rumors about Jimmie Johnson buying Prema. DC street race rumors. Colton to F2 probably tomorrow morning. Power bottled up silly season and it's all just exploding out now.
 
And today all hell breaks loose. The Power screwjob is complete. Veekay out at Coyne. Insane rumors about Jimmie Johnson buying Prema. DC street race rumors. Colton to F2 probably tomorrow morning. Power bottled up silly season and it's all just exploding out now.
Herta to F2 will be one of the dumbest moves in recent history, but the Andretti bigwigs are dead-set on trying to get him to F1 even though his time has already passed. He's too old and there's too much to lose if he gets Mechacrome'd and beaten by 18-year-olds. If they're that adamant, he could just run FPs and do testing.

I feel for Will, and so does everyone. He's still got it, he was Penske's best driver this year, and they dump him like yesterday's trash. If Penske continues to downward spiral and Willy P does better in an Andretti I will laugh so hard.

I'm excited about Phoenix. I'm even more excited that Fox has enough pull to force the France family to play ball with Indy. The rumored DC race has negative chances of happening, though.
 
I feel for Will, and so does everyone.
Yeah. It's not even that they got rid of them. That's stupid but not terrible. Stringing the guy along the whole year to limit his options before dropping him, that's the bad part. Not that it worked, the entirety of silly season was just waiting on him.

Phoenix will be interesting, and getting the Frances to be less shitty is great. DC would be a shitpost of a race so I'm cool either way.
 
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