Let's Sperg Imperials or Stormcloaks?

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Stormcloaks. The Empire has become weak and corrupt. They were so weak that even with Cyrodill, Skyrim, High Rock, Hammerfell, Morrowind, and Black Marsh behind them they couldn't defeat the Summerset Isles, Elsweyr, and Valenwood. This isn't the same Empire that once conquered the world. The Emperor himself is the ultimate symbol of what the Empire has become: A weak old man waiting for his death and all he can do is plead with his killer not to do this.

The White-Gold Concordat was basically the death knell of the Empire because the Thalmor have been given nearly unlimited power to go wherever they please and arrest whoever they want and all they have to do is say "They were a Talos worshiper, the White-Gold Concordat gives us the right." And do you really think they'll be held to account, demanded to offer a shred of proof of their accusations? Fuck no, the Thalmor are not accountable to you filthy humans. You're going to disappear into one of their dungeons and nobody will ever see you again, innocent or not, and anyone that says shit is gonna get the same fucking treatment.

Nope, they'll make sure any competent General they don't need to put down a bunch of rebellious Nords ends up in a dungeon while less competent or less loyal men end up in the top ranks. I would even bet that Tullius himself ends up being "ambushed by vengeful Stormcloaks" on his way back to Cyrodill if he ends up winning the war because now he'd be a liability instead of an asset because as a victorious General he'd be seen as a hero.

If the Stormcloaks win the Thalmor have a problem. If the Empire wins the Thalmor have much less of a problem because they've already got the Empire thoroughly under their boot, as well as having their agents all over the Empire ready to strike. They're absolutely monitoring every Imperial General who might become a problem, and will likely have a lot of advance warning if the Empire is ever gearing up for a second war. They're unlikely to have the same warning if the Nords decide to suddenly mass invade the Summerset Isles.

Also I just don't believe the Empire have the sheer elf-hate needed to deal with the Thalmor. The Nords do, having almost pushed an entire race of Elves to extinction in the past and generally being the most prolific elf-haters in Tamriel.
 
There Is Light At The End said:
Not weak. At weak point still have morrowind, cirodiil, hammerfell and highrock. Plus, after rebellion is squashed, there is time to rebuild and thwart thalmor
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Morrowind seceded from the empire after the red year and became even more anti-empire due to being abandoned by it. The only group that even helped them was Skyrim, with Windhelm and Riften taking the brunt of the refugee influx. They were even kind enough to state they don't have to swear fealty to any jarl or pay taxes to them. And still they complain that it isn't enough that they're allowed housing inside Windhelm's walls without having to contribute in any meaningful way. And even now over a hundred years after the crisis in their homeland, they won't go back to help rebuild. Probably because they're majority House Hlaalu and despised there now.

You know who else got screwed that Skyrim helped out with? Orsinium. Got sacked again by a High Rock/Hammerfell joint operation some time after Oblivion. Thats why you see so many Orc settlements in Skyrim. Empire didn't really punish either nation for basically trying to exterminate the orcs again.

The empire completely abandoned Valenwood when it was invaded by the Thalmor. Didn't kick up a fuss when the Thalmor took Elsweyr either. Or when the Argonians of Black Marsh decided they didn't want the empire around anymore.

And after defeating the main Thalmor army, they capitulated to its demands and gave up Hammerfell who proceeded to fight the rest of the thalmor solo to a stalemate.

The Mede dynasty is a legacy of failure to protect its charges. Almost 15 years after the war and it can't even protect its own cities in Cyrodiil.
"27th of Hearthfire, 4E 188. The situation in Bravil grows more dire. The city has erupted in violence, due to a war of control being waged by Cyrodiil's two largest skooma traffickers."
"1st of Hearthfire, 4E 189. Cheydinhal has erupted into violence and chaos, like so many other cities before it."
This is the strength you're speaking of. For reference, the war ended in 4E 175. Skyrim starts on 4E 200. Yes its been 25 years since the war and the Empire is still struggling to maintain any semblence of control.
 
The games have been saying that The Empire needs to go the way of the dodo since Morrowind, and that was coming from a projection of the dude who basically made it an empire in the first place. Thematically for the franchise, the Stormcloaks winning seems appropriate, and likely 'canon'.

That being said it becomes hard to justify siding with them on a character who isn't a nord or an imperial unless you headcanon a reason as to why. Even though I think their racism is way overstated.
 
I'm pretty sure the entire point is that no matter what side wins, the Empire is fucked.

That being said, if you want to say you side for the Empire because your character is an Imperial loyalist, or that they're super loyal to Balgruuf for making them Thane or they are an undercover Thalmor agent or something? Okay, fine.

Giving me some reddit brained word salad about Nords being racist or that a "united" Empire is the best chance to defeat the Empire, or even something as smoothbrained as "The Empire are the good guys!" just makes me lol, lmao even. It's a clear sign of someone who pays absolutely no attention outside to what is spoonfed to them, or that they're just fucking retarded.
 
There Is Light At The End said:
Not weak. At weak point still have morrowind, cirodiil, hammerfell and highrock. Plus, after rebellion is squashed, there is time to rebuild and thwart thalmor
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Hammerfell seceded and is actively in conflict with the Thalmor.

Morrowind seceded and is pretty much fucked up from Red Mountain erupting.

Cyrodiil is still in complete disarray from the war.

High Rock is actively isolating themselves from everyone.

30 fucking years have passed since the war. If Cyrodiil hasn't rebuilt or gotten ready by now, they're not going to ever be ready.

The Elder Council is trying to have the Emperor assassinated FFS. And some of you think that they're going to just magically recover after beating the Stormcloaks?

Skyrim is a quagmire that The Empire will not be rid of any time soon. Even with an Imperial "victory" in Skyrim, the Stormcloaks are still never defeated and always have war camps. Same goes for a Stormcloak victory with the Imperials. Even when a high king is crowned, the fighting will continue.


I greatly doubt there will be a canon victor between the Imperials and Stormcloaks in ESVI. It's going to either be that Skyrim is still in a state of Civil War with each side gaining and losing leaders and ground as the years go on, or they're going to have a third party show up and defeat both the Stormcloaks and Imperials. The only reason I could see them not doing that though is that it's literally the story of the Mede Empire all over again.
 
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