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Remember that this guy couldn't figure his way out a hospital.
🎨 Artcow Iconoclast / Jonathan Mack Sweet - The Chris-Chan of Arkansas
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Remember that this guy couldn't figure his way out a hospital.
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Holy fuck. So they actually banished other members rather than get rid of Sweets. They would rather have Sweets than other normal posters that disagree with him. I'm beginning to think there might be some more milk to be found there.
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You know what else? The AJM board was trying to avoid negative attention. Pulling this kind of failed ruse attracts negative attention. Again, it would have been far easier if they'd just banned us.
I can't help but think that the dirt we were digging up on Knuckle Neck (holla ICM!), including the hammering we were giving him towards the end (the richly deserved, deeply satisfying hammering) may have had something to do with it as well. Sweets is an incorrigible, maladjusted misanthrope with a criminal history that is presumably based largely on failure-related crimes (he tried to assault his brother and was disarmed, he didn't make his court dates, etc.), and the evidence and opinions we've been putting up on the AJM board and this thread ever since really spelled that out. He's not just a pervy, anti-social lawbreaker, he's a GIGANTIC FAILSICLE of a pervy, anti-social lawbreaker. As ICM, the Doc, AJM, and so many others have implied, Jon's an albatross around AJM's neck, whether he realizes it or not.
I can't help but think that the dirt we were digging up on Knuckle Neck (holla ICM!), including the hammering we were giving him towards the end (the richly deserved, deeply satisfying hammering) may have had something to do with it as well. Sweets is an incorrigible, maladjusted misanthrope with a criminal history that is presumably based largely on failure-related crimes (he tried to assault his brother and was disarmed, he didn't make his court dates, etc.), and the evidence and opinions we've been putting up on the AJM board and this thread ever since really spelled that out. He's not just a pervy, anti-social lawbreaker, he's a GIGANTIC FAILSICLE of a pervy, anti-social lawbreaker. As ICM, the Doc, AJM, and so many others have implied, Jon's an albatross around AJM's neck, whether he realizes it or not.
Like everyone else I just wow this is one of the worst examples of forum moderation I've ever seen. This is like Looney Tunes level villain shit.
So everybody seems to be questioning why they would go to these lengths to protect Sweet, even to the point of speculating that Sweet has some dirt on AJM. I think I have a far simpler explanation. Everyone who knows Sweet knows that saying he holds grudges is putting it lightly. The last time he got kicked out of something he made threats, still sends letters almost twenty years later, and gleefully reports on the deaths of the people involved. Getting kicked out of a place he feels welcome at is a guaranteed way to make him tard out like nothing else does. Would YOU want to be on the receiving end of that? It's entirely possible that they even discussed this with Sweet and he threatened them with Herald level retribution or made implied threats.
I think we all know Sweet is incapable of actually carrying out the threats but he's still a major nuisance. Kicking him out of AJM could initiate decades of Sweet namedropping and bashing AJM all over the internet and the one thing they seem to not want is unwanted attention. What Sweet lacks in popularity he makes up for with sheer dedication and number of posts.
So AJM basically had to make a decision: deal with the devil we know, or the one we don't? On one hand, Kiwis are joining AJM and they don't like that. But they have already seen and dealt with us in action. The Iconoclast thread isn't like Shaner, it picks up a few new cowspotters here and there but it's never going to get a huge influx of new people who might want to troll AJM. Basically, their Kiwi problem was pretty much already as bad as it was going to get. Kicking the Kiwis out might make us mad for awhile, but we are reasonable and move on and don't hold insane grudges until we die.
On the other hand, they could risk kicking Sweet out and deal with decades of him complaining all over the internet. He'd have to find a new hugbox and he'd be sure to bring up the AJM incident. New people might make fun of this Brony patriot forum even more than we did. He might send threatening letters to the moderators. He could stalk and harass them online.
So given the two choices, they seem to have went with the first and come up with an extremely optimistic plan to mitigate any fallout. If my speculation is correct, I feel a little bit more badly for AJM. It's a shitty choice.
So everybody seems to be questioning why they would go to these lengths to protect Sweet, even to the point of speculating that Sweet has some dirt on AJM. I think I have a far simpler explanation. Everyone who knows Sweet knows that saying he holds grudges is putting it lightly. The last time he got kicked out of something he made threats, still sends letters almost twenty years later, and gleefully reports on the deaths of the people involved. Getting kicked out of a place he feels welcome at is a guaranteed way to make him tard out like nothing else does. Would YOU want to be on the receiving end of that? It's entirely possible that they even discussed this with Sweet and he threatened them with Herald level retribution or made implied threats.
I think we all know Sweet is incapable of actually carrying out the threats but he's still a major nuisance. Kicking him out of AJM could initiate decades of Sweet namedropping and bashing AJM all over the internet and the one thing they seem to not want is unwanted attention. What Sweet lacks in popularity he makes up for with sheer dedication and number of posts.
So AJM basically had to make a decision: deal with the devil we know, or the one we don't? On one hand, Kiwis are joining AJM and they don't like that. But they have already seen and dealt with us in action. The Iconoclast thread isn't like Shaner, it picks up a few new cowspotters here and there but it's never going to get a huge influx of new people who might want to troll AJM. Basically, their Kiwi problem was pretty much already as bad as it was going to get. Kicking the Kiwis out might make us mad for awhile, but we are reasonable and move on and don't hold insane grudges until we die.
On the other hand, they could risk kicking Sweet out and deal with decades of him complaining all over the internet. He'd have to find a new hugbox and he'd be sure to bring up the AJM incident. New people might make fun of this Brony patriot forum even more than we did. He might send threatening letters to the moderators. He could stalk and harass them online.
So given the two choices, they seem to have went with the first and come up with an extremely optimistic plan to mitigate any fallout. If my speculation is correct, I feel a little bit more badly for AJM. It's a shitty choice.
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I think it might be a little of column A, a little of column B. Fartknocker might not have dirt on them, per se, but he might know just enough RL information about them to make their offline lives unpleasant if they get on his bad side - names, general locations, employers, etc. That kind of stuff seems to get around in small online communities where everyone feels comfortable with each other, especially if they're as long-lived as AJM seemed to be. The AJMers might have considered Belch's tendency to hold ridiculous grudges, weighed their options and decided that making an enemy of Belch could have real-world repercussions they didn't want to deal with.
Or AJM could just be insanely, inexplicably attached to their village idiot and closed ranks around him. Who knows.
Or AJM could just be insanely, inexplicably attached to their village idiot and closed ranks around him. Who knows.
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Seems that there's more freedom on Kiwi Farms than on a brony patriot forum.
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Hey all... long time no talk?
Just wanted to address the above post to the best of my ability.
Alright, first things first, to reiterate what AJMLurker said: the AJMers... I still consider them friends, but I doubt many of them feel the same way about me, and that's fine. This drama has gone on way too long. I'm not angry about anything except what I've always been mad about: some of Dr. B's comments and actions. I am frustrated beyond all belief, but I'm not mad at any one person.
I have not been posting here, and have not been very active on AJM (limited though my access is) lately, because I was asked not to be. So I didn't. And even in this post, I'm going to be holding back information because I was asked not to share certain things.
That having been said, let me clarify a few things from AJMLurker's post.
Yes, a very select group of us were put into this "member" group category. Yes, I know why, and yes, you've guessed correctly. The names of those in the group give that answer well and clear. I raised a fuss about it, and the label was removed, to the best of my knowledge.
Yes, post counts on AJM have changed for few of the members. Not significantly, but enough to make me question if part of the site is still active, because how could the post count have gone up if there is nowhere to post? The number is so insignificant that I wonder if it's just some wrap up activity, but again: how does one post if there isn't somewhere to post?
BUT... I have also created a proboards forum before, and after playing with the Admin tools, I can't find any way to block just certain members unless you block their IP, remove them entirely from the site. So I'm not sure it's possible to hide parts of the site from specific members
There was also, from what I have heard, a fair bit of relatively serious negative activity going down. It could have been handled differently, but it wasn't, and now we are here. I reached out to some of the members and mods, offering suggestions on how to fix things, and was told that what's done is done, and to let it go, so I'm trying to respect that decision and leave it be, because honestly, in the grand scheme of things, it's not a big deal for me.
I can't confirm or deny anything about the site being up or down, and honestly, I don't care enough to. I'm exhausted. All of this crap has been exhausting. It's been exhausting trying to make peace for people who don't want to bother with it (looking at you AJMers), and if shutting down the site, or blocking the few of us who disagreed, or whatever happened was the answer, then that's fine, but I would like some clear answers about it, because I've been a part of that community nearly as long as Dr. B has, and having different opinions suddenly means being completely excluded from every decision, action, and game plan (or lack thereof). If that's even what happened. Again, I have no idea.
Honestly, when all is said and done, am I sad to see AJM "go?" Sure. I mean, it was a pretty regular deal for about 10 years of my life. But we were kids when it started up, and we've grown up, some more than others. For all that everyone wanted to keep their community alive and thriving, it sure didn't take long to shut people out and tear it down.
Ok. Rant over. Carry on, people.
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I previously assured AJM users other than Dr Belch that they had nothing to fear from me or other Kiwis. This was true. When I archived Dr Belch's content I took as many precautions as possible not to harvest posts by other users. I didn't look into any other user's post history, or follow up any information about them that they may have revealed. But then the All-Amazing AJM decided to pull his clumsy ruse (or whatever it is he's doing) and so I don't really feel bad about sharing a few conclusions I arrived at during my forum archaeology.
I can totally see where it's coming from, but I don't agree with the argument that AJM or the AJMmers are scared of Sweet Bro. I know that a few of them are scared of coming under our online investigative microscope.
For instance, can you think of any reasons our delicious friend Ubs might not want to invite scrutiny of his online activities?
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What a bunch of pussies.
Why go through all this subterfuge for sweets? Is any Hugbox worth this much effort?
Fuck em
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I wonder what Sweet thinks of the recent Supreme Court decision? Pretty likely that any reaction from him includes the words "liberals" and "ploy."
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He'll probably offer some idiotic opinion about it like he does everything else. I think AJM's ham-fisted handling of the Sweet situation will be the death knell of his forum, regardless of what he intended. I still think Sweet has some dirt or some hold on him, because no one would go to these lengths for Sweet unless they were either getting something good out of the deal, or were being coerced, like I said before. Sweet cannot inspire that kind of loyalty, he's simply completely unlikable.
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Honestly based on my experiences with this sort of thing, you guys are probably overselling AJM studios' level of quality when it comes to them defending Sweets IMO. I've experienced this multiple times in the past with small boards like AJM who do actions like this: the people behind the throne tend to have pretty big issues of their own. For instance, a good example of this phenomenon that I've personally experienced was this one website that was just as critic sensitive as AJM. It had the following as staff: sex offender who groped women, depraved bisexual who once seriously talked about kidnapping anime characters, and a young earth creationist. It's not universal, but I've found that sites with a similar type of reaction, size, and desperation to avoid fictional drama and so forth tend to be run by loonies.
There's also the matter that if they did ban Sweets and he started a Herald Quest; any relatively rational thinking human being would be able to hit him for the same criminal offenses as the Herald, and at a nastier price for Sweets too, since it would not be his first time. Lastly, considering his lack of competence in tracking down Ashlay, he's really only marginally more terrifying than Len Shaner.
That's just me though.
There's also the matter that if they did ban Sweets and he started a Herald Quest; any relatively rational thinking human being would be able to hit him for the same criminal offenses as the Herald, and at a nastier price for Sweets too, since it would not be his first time. Lastly, considering his lack of competence in tracking down Ashlay, he's really only marginally more terrifying than Len Shaner.
That's just me though.
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You're all missing the obvious answer: AJM fucking loves Sweets. Remember that "interview" he did where he all but fellated Sweets while stroking the balls? He thinks Johnny is a conservative hero, easily equal to Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly or Stephen Colbert. AJMLurker, Treenbeen et.al. are enemies of The Truth™, and Patriot Brony forum is better off without them.
That said, I'd guvking love to see what they have to say about today's supreme court ruling.
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I suspect that Mr. Sweet's heart is now brimming with hope that he can finally escape his mommy's tentacle-like apron strings, wrest from her withered claws the vast fortune brought in by his
and leap into the joy of holy wedlock with his one true love.Big Jim Slade
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For instance, can you think of any reasons our delicious friend Ubs might not want to invite scrutiny of his online activities?
What the fuck am I looking at?
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What the fuck am I looking at?
Agreed. My first thoughts were "What in the hell...?", with an emphasis on every word. You know, the way dads say it when the starter on the grill won't work, or the engine won't turn over after an hour of tinkering. Maybe there's some context here that I'm missing, but ... I don't think I want to know that that is.
See, Absinthe, this is exactly what I meant about negative attention. If I were you, I'd feel totally free to post whatever goodies I'd found. They have shown us no respect, we need not show them any.
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If you read a lot of the AJM posts, they seem to be written by..slow people, or people for whom English is a second language. Not everyone obviously, and this observation actually exludes Dr. Belch. But, like the Ubs guy... And one of them is really, really into photos of different cities' police cars. To each his own and all, but, yeah...
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Time for some true and honest fanart.@Absinthe , thanks a lot for your recap. Sweet's comics are usually so inconvenient to locate and view and so difficult to decipher that I usually don't bother. I will have a glass of you in your honor.
Ironic that Sweet's racial caricatures end up looking better than his stickman protagonists.
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Time for some true and honest fanart.
This is made entirely out of win.
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That is the greatest thing in the history of ever. I salute you sir.Time for some true and honest fanart.