🎨 Artcow Iconoclast / Jonathan Mack Sweet - The Chris-Chan of Arkansas

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I started reading this thread a few days ago and I'm on page 100 or so. This guy is my favorite new cow for sure! It's so amazing how Chris bests him in nearly every conceivable aspect of his life. Chris is positively competent in comparison.

First of all, Sweetums, you look and sound OLD. When I first opened this thread, I judged you to be in your late 40s based on the way you write. I don't buy that IRL, you sound all that much younger when everything you say reeks of Reader's Digest's target demographic. Even if you somehow managed to trick some girl into thinking you were actually a college student (like maybe if it was really dark and she was drunk and also legally blind) all you have to do is open your mouth and let out one sentence containing the word "fartknocker" and she'll get the picture. It is really amazing how someone so obsessed with youth purposefully writes like a stereotypical old man. Speech can be a dead giveaway for age, I am not even that old and I still get called out sometimes for outdated slang, etc.
However, none of that really matters because you look old too. A wig is not going to help you at all because you have wrinkles like an old man. I knew a lot of college guys with receding hairlines (there's something about engineers and hair loss) but none with as many wrinkles on their face as you do.

One thing I saw on page 20 or so that was, hilariously, never really explained was Sweet describing an elementary school experiment where he put peanuts under a pyramid to see if they tasted better. In the 70s, there was briefly a "Pyramid Power" fad where people thought that pyramids had special preservation properties, which was believed to be the reason things in the Egyptian pyramids were so well preserved. People would do things like put razor blades under small home pyramids and claim the blades stayed sharp for longer. Pyramid power apparently applied to other things like food preservation and taste as well. This is just another example of Sweet sounding ridiculously old and out of touch without even realizing it.

Another thing that had been bothering me is his insistence on claiming he had "fans" in college. this is weird and creepy as fuck. The Pamela Anderson poster, the magazine - these sound like things FRIENDS would do. Not worshipers. Why do you need fans, Sweet? What's wrong with just having friends? Why do you feel you should be treated like a god? why won't just having normal relationships do?

When he does mention friends, he says they won't speak to him since the Herald incident. Plagiarism is shitty, but I can't see many of my friends dropping contact with me for plagiarizing something. What really happened?

I think Ashleigh was a real person lying about some things, and the phone sex happened at least once. From the timeline, they spoke on the phone for months and she peaced out within five minutes of meeting him which he blames on everything from talking about his dead father to his weird hat. But did she have any idea what he *looked* like before then? Their relationship took place over the phone in 1997; email, scanners and digital cameras were all uncommon. There is a good chance that she had no idea what Sweet looked like at all. So she rolls up, sees Thumbface looking like he crawled out of a Salvation Army donation bin with an animal stuck to his face and realizes she has made a huge mistake. I have no idea why Sweet is so adamant about "warning" college men about her when it is quite clear that her phone sex adventures ended roughly .1 seconds after this.
 
I started reading this thread a few days ago and I'm on page 100 or so. This guy is my favorite new cow for sure! It's so amazing how Chris bests him in nearly every conceivable aspect of his life. Chris is positively competent in comparison.

First of all, Sweetums, you look and sound OLD. When I first opened this thread, I judged you to be in your late 40s based on the way you write. I don't buy that IRL, you sound all that much younger when everything you say reeks of Reader's Digest's target demographic. Even if you somehow managed to trick some girl into thinking you were actually a college student (like maybe if it was really dark and she was drunk and also legally blind) all you have to do is open your mouth and let out one sentence containing the word "fartknocker" and she'll get the picture. It is really amazing how someone so obsessed with youth purposefully writes like a stereotypical old man. Speech can be a dead giveaway for age, I am not even that old and I still get called out sometimes for outdated slang, etc.
However, none of that really matters because you look old too. A wig is not going to help you at all because you have wrinkles like an old man. I knew a lot of college guys with receding hairlines (there's something about engineers and hair loss) but none with as many wrinkles on their face as you do.

One thing I saw on page 20 or so that was, hilariously, never really explained was Sweet describing an elementary school experiment where he put peanuts under a pyramid to see if they tasted better. In the 70s, there was briefly a "Pyramid Power" fad where people thought that pyramids had special preservation properties, which was believed to be the reason things in the Egyptian pyramids were so well preserved. People would do things like put razor blades under small home pyramids and claim the blades stayed sharp for longer. Pyramid power apparently applied to other things like food preservation and taste as well. This is just another example of Sweet sounding ridiculously old and out of touch without even realizing it.

Another thing that had been bothering me is his insistence on claiming he had "fans" in college. this is weird and creepy as fuck. The Pamela Anderson poster, the magazine - these sound like things FRIENDS would do. Not worshipers. Why do you need fans, Sweet? What's wrong with just having friends? Why do you feel you should be treated like a god? why won't just having normal relationships do?

When he does mention friends, he says they won't speak to him since the Herald incident. Plagiarism is shitty, but I can't see many of my friends dropping contact with me for plagiarizing something. What really happened?

I think Ashleigh was a real person lying about some things, and the phone sex happened at least once. From the timeline, they spoke on the phone for months and she peaced out within five minutes of meeting him which he blames on everything from talking about his dead father to his weird hat. But did she have any idea what he *looked* like before then? Their relationship took place over the phone in 1997; email, scanners and digital cameras were all uncommon. There is a good chance that she had no idea what Sweet looked like at all. So she rolls up, sees Thumbface looking like he crawled out of a Salvation Army donation bin with an animal stuck to his face and realizes she has made a huge mistake. I have no idea why Sweet is so adamant about "warning" college men about her when it is quite clear that her phone sex adventures ended roughly .1 seconds after this.


Oh I had forgotten about the pyramid thing. If I recall correctly, he was asked about it but his explanation made even less sense.

He's my favorite lolcow too. Not sure what it is about him. It's just fascinating to me that a person like this exists.

edit: link to the pyramid thing if anyone missed it http://usaspatriot.proboards.com/thread/1393/day-oh-hey-22?page=16&scrollTo=390316

This generation is not only the most rude and impatient, but it seems also the sickliest. Peanut allergies, gluten allergies, lactose intolerance--how can they be so obese if they can't eat anything? I never heard the like twenty years ago. I think I mentioned before my pyramid peanut experiment back in high school--I placed one jar of peanuts under a pyramid in my bedroom closet and another in a kitchen cabinet and aged them a week, and the nuts under the pyramid tasted better. If a kid did that today the whole school would be on lockdown. Folks would be walking around wearing hazmat suits, and the young science whiz would be expelled, possibly jailed, for domestic terrorism.

Read more: http://usaspatriot.proboards.com/thread/1393/day-oh-hey-22?page=16#ixzz3TzZWzg00

Yup Sweets, if a kid put peanuts under a pyramid at home then the school would be on lockdown. Makes perfect sense. I also love that the pyramid peanuts tasted better. Must be magic.
 
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Agreed on this one. I think it's just the avenues of escape he has available that he just never bothers to take that does it for me.

EDIT: I actually didn't notice what Sweets said in the post before me. Whoops.:oops:

Jonny Clueless said:
This generation is not only the most rude and impatient, but it seems also the sickliest. Peanut allergies, gluten allergies, lactose intolerance--how can they be so obese if they can't eat anything?

Well old boy, I decided to actually try a bit of journalism myself, as this statement got me into figuring this stuff out, and I found out some interesting things. One thing I should note is that peanut allergies and gluten sensitivity were not topics that were heavily looked into until the 1990s. That meant that there wasn't a lot of information back when you were a wee one, and would explain why it never was talked about that often; you can't talk about things you don't know well.

There's also the matter that allergens are often self reported. This can account for some skewing, since people can state that they have an sensitivity or allergy, when it might just be other factors. There's also society as a whole to note; they can sometimes overreact or underreact to events, and in this case they may have overreacted since the event deals with children.

Lastly, there is also a genetic, gastrointestinal, and nutrition factor. A child's immune system doesn't fully stabilize for the first few years of their life. At that point, exposure to a stimulus in predisposed children can induce an allergy or sensitivity. Your GI tract also has a massive amount of bacteria in it that help digest things for you; a malformation in the gut flora can cause certain things to be undigestable. Also diets low in specific nutrients can cause your immune system to become a bit unstable.

In conclusion, the reason why there is a rise in allergies is that more information is being found, more people are reporting it, and there is a genetic and nutrition element.

Sources:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/777380_2
http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S37/46/79G28/index.xml?section=topstories
http://adc.bmj.com/content/88/8/694.full
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/fraser.html
http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-rise-of-gluten-intolerance/

As an aside Sweets, the reason why people are becoming fatties is mostly because of our food intake and activity levels. We're eating sugary, fatty foods while not doing things like working out.

I Know Nothing said:
I never heard the like twenty years ago.

Let's just say there are many things you likely haven't heard of from back then.

Jon Thumb on the Scientific Method said:
I think I mentioned before my pyramid peanut experiment back in high school--I placed one jar of peanuts under a pyramid in my bedroom closet and another in a kitchen cabinet and aged them a week, and the nuts under the pyramid tasted better.

So you didn't actually test the device scientifically, failed to test the device's claimed effects, and contaminated it with observer bias then by not doing this in a doubleblind experiment. You make for a shoddy scientist Jon.

What said:
If a kid did that today the whole school would be on lockdown. Folks would be walking around wearing hazmat suits, and the young science whiz would be expelled, possibly jailed, for domestic terrorism.

Where on earth did you get this idea from Jonny old boy?
 
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edit: link to the pyramid thing if anyone missed it http://usaspatriot.proboards.com/thread/1393/day-oh-hey-22?page=16&scrollTo=390316



Yup Sweets, if a kid put peanuts under a pyramid at home then the school would be on lockdown. Makes perfect sense. I also love that the pyramid peanuts tasted better. Must be magic.
So what was the point of that experiment? Like what was that supposed to prove? Also have to love his impotent, old man rage. "Back in my day we had respect for our elders (but not the blacks)."
 
"But nobody ever told me
everything Adamska said:
Agreed on this one. I think it's just the avenues of escape he has available that he just never bothers to take that does it for me.

EDIT: I actually didn't notice what Sweets said in the post before me. Whoops.:oops:



Well old boy, I decided to actually try a bit of journalism myself, as this statement got me into figuring this stuff out, and I found out some interesting things. One thing I should note is that peanut allergies and gluten sensitivity were not topics that were heavily looked into until the 1990s. That meant that there wasn't a lot of information back when you were a wee one, and would explain why it never was talked about that often; you can't talk about things you don't know well.

There's also the matter that allergens are often self reported. This can account for some skewing, since people can state that they have an sensitivity or allergy, when it might just be other factors. There's also society as a whole to note; they can sometimes overreact or underreact to events, and in this case they may have overreacted since the event deals with children.

Lastly, there is also a genetic, gastrointestinal, and nutrition factor. A child's immune system doesn't fully stabilize for the first few years of their life. At that point, exposure to a stimulus in predisposed children can induce an allergy or sensitivity. Your GI tract also has a massive amount of bacteria in it that help digest things for you; a malformation in the gut flora can cause certain things to be undigestable. Also diets low in specific nutrients can cause your immune system to become a bit unstable.

In conclusion, the reason why there is a rise in allergies is that more information is being found, more people are reporting it, and there is a genetic and nutrition element.

Sources:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/777380_2
http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S37/46/79G28/index.xml?section=topstories
http://adc.bmj.com/content/88/8/694.full
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/fraser.html
http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-rise-of-gluten-intolerance/

As an aside Sweets, the reason why people are becoming fatties is mostly because of our food intake and activity levels. We're eating sugary, fatty foods while not doing things like working out.



Let's just say there are many things you likely haven't heard of from back then.



So you didn't actually test the device scientifically, failed to test the device's claimed effects, and contaminated it with observer bias then by not doing this in a doubleblind experiment. You make for a shoddy scientist Jon.



Where on earth did you get this idea from Jonny old boy?
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Yup Sweets, if a kid put peanuts under a pyramid at home then the school would be on lockdown. Makes perfect sense. I also love that the pyramid peanuts tasted better. Must be magic.

Well, it's certainly magical thinking.
 
I thought it was interesting that the Gary Stu in his little book (I think he has mentioned previously that the Dylan reference is intentional) rarely sees fresh or homecooked food, and when over at his friend's house, eats three helpings of beef stroganoff partly because of that. In that section, he mentions that since his character's mother died, a nice lady freezes her own family's leftovers and brings them by every week after church. He is perfectly willing to bring the action (?) to a halt to describe every last detail of this arrangement. The lady specifically attends a Methodist church, for example; I'm not sure whether this has some greater cultural meaning to Arkansans, or whether he's simply throwing in every last detail of an arrangement their family has in real life (switch around which parent is missing IRL, of course) because autism and why not.

Also, one can endlessly debate the artistic merits of South Park, assuming one is high and/or bored, but given how he throws it in (apparently a child at a school who is allowed to wear a T-shirt of Kenny being killed again represents the hypocrisy of people who favor gun ownership restrictions, or something, because Kenny's repeated deaths are totally the same thing as a school shooting, which has just happened in a flash-forward in the book), I'm not sure he knows it's satire.

Also also, for the love of fuck, would people please quit spelling out their characters' accents? The actual words all three of the fools on prominent display in the book (Gary Stu; the girl, who is his less-talented sidekick, at least when it comes to mind-reading; and the girl's mother, supplier of the aforementioned stroganoff) are made to speak are bad enough. They talk like somebody put the Dukes of Hazzard and Beverly Hillbillies casts in a big blender together. The girl's mother literally can't get through three sentences together without one of them being a cliché (here, the one about blind pigs finding acorns). But the dialogue given to the character who is running for governor, the one who farts into the microphone, is damn near unreadable. There are ways to indicate an accent, like resorting to phonetics very occasionally. But if I typed out a phonetic rendering of, let's say, the speech of my friend from Glasgow talking about his youth, he would sound like Groundskeeper Wullie. I'd have Trainspotting with no heroin and different slang. (The movie had to be redubbed in parts for American audiences, who are notoriously bad at reading the novel.) I suppose Sweets is in no danger of being read by anyone outside of North America (I could have ended that sentence earlier, couldn't I?), but damn, for someone with pretensions of being the next Stephen King... dial it back, son.
 
Oh I had forgotten about the pyramid thing. If I recall correctly, he was asked about it but his explanation made even less sense.

He's my favorite lolcow too. Not sure what it is about him. It's just fascinating to me that a person like this exists.

edit: link to the pyramid thing if anyone missed it http://usaspatriot.proboards.com/thread/1393/day-oh-hey-22?page=16&scrollTo=390316



Yup Sweets, if a kid put peanuts under a pyramid at home then the school would be on lockdown. Makes perfect sense. I also love that the pyramid peanuts tasted better. Must be magic.
He was trying to argue that nobody would be able to do his "experiment" at school anymore because of people with peanut allergies. And yes, his point was to prove the power of the pyramids. It's as dumb as it sounds.
 
If the "experiment" was only to test that they taste better couldn't he do it with anything? Presumably the power of the pyramid extends past peanuts, right?

It's voodoo horse shit of course, but I'm trying to understand the idea behind it.
 
I do remember that pyramid fad, and the most common version of the experience centered around keeping your razor blades in one so they'd stay sharper longer. I don't remember a lot of science-fair projects of this caliber that tested food taste, partly because that is a heavily subjective thing.
 
I do remember that pyramid fad, and the most common version of the experience centered around keeping your razor blades in one so they'd stay sharper longer. I don't remember a lot of science-fair projects of this caliber that tested food taste, partly because that is a heavily subjective thing.

Yeah, in other words, completely unscientific.
 
I recall something earlier in this thread about the pyramid thing. [looks it up] Sweet talked about it back on pages 41 and 42 of this thead.

Sweet said:
Consumer protection? You mean all those warnings about nut allergies on every foodstuff I buy? When did that peanut allergy stuff start, anyway? Remind me to tell you the high-school pyramid experiment story sometime.
Sweet said:
I just said because of potentially-fatal peanut allergies you couldn't do my peanut experiment today. One jar under a pyramid; one jar, not. The pyramid nuts tasted better. What don't you understand?

The former had a link to the URL of the usapatriot forums post already posted recently.

I also recall Sweet saying something about the peanuts (at least the ones not left in the pyramid) emitting this odor or something - hence why a school would be on lockdown today. Can't find that at the moment though.

And yeah, like others said, there is this old notion of pyramids having mystical powers, such as preservation. IIRC, "pyramid power" was tested on Mythbusters with the myth busted. Afterwards, one of them requested, with annoyance, not to ask them to test "New Age woo" anymore (although not in those exact words). It's been years since I saw that show, however.
 
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And yeah, like others said, there is this old notion of pyramids having mystical powers, such as preservation. IIRC, "pyramid power" was tested on Mythbusters with the myth busted. Afterwards, one of them requested, with annoyance, not to ask them to test "New Age woo" anymore (although not in those exact words).

 

The thing I like about that video is that the guy literally put in captions that tries to support pyramid power in the vid.

And yeah, it definitely looks like Sweets had a preconcieved notion when he went to "do" his experiment, and made damn sure to try and validate it in the worst ways possible. Then he says it's impossible to recreate due to allergies, when there are such things as other perishables that a person can use. On top of that, peanut sensitivity that's so high that the smell of peanuts can trigger a reaction is fairly rare by that allergy's standards.

I wonder what other hoodoo he believes in?
 
The thing I like about that video is that the guy literally put in captions that tries to support pyramid power in the vid.

And yeah, it definitely looks like Sweets had a preconcieved notion when he went to "do" his experiment, and made damn sure to try and validate it in the worst ways possible. Then he says it's impossible to recreate due to allergies, when there are such things as other perishables that a person can use. On top of that, peanut sensitivity that's so high that the smell of peanuts can trigger a reaction is fairly rare by that allergy's standards.

I wonder what other hoodoo he believes in?
He has a history of falling for scams and schemes. There's the "writing contests" where you pay to enter and then invariably "win" your way into an anthology which they try to sell you copies of for ~$50.
There's the movie script reading services that charge upfront fees but have no expertise or industry connections.
There's the Melaleuca pyramid selling with its big up-front outlay on dubiously-effective products.
There's the cash for envelope stuffing "opportunity" which also involves initial outlay and follows it up with miserly piece-rate returns.
Sweet has fallen for all of these. At one point he complained that his brother stealing his money (which was wrong of his brother to do) prevented him from pursuing work-at-home opportunities - the implication being that he would need up-front money to begin these schemes.
Basically Sweet has fallen for every low-level sort-of-legal con going - short of penny shares, fuel-saving magnets and Kirby vacuums.
Even the can collecting is widely considered a waste of time because the money received is disproportionately lower than the time spent.

(I have links for all the above, but I'm on my mobile. I'll put them in later if anyone's interested.)
 
At one point he complained that his brother stealing his money (which was wrong of his brother to do) prevented him from pursuing work-at-home opportunities - the implication being that he would need up-front money to begin these schemes.

See, stuff like that sounds less like his brother is stealing money from him and more like his brother is taking control of his finances so he'll stop wasting everything on these stupid scams. Most of what we know of Jon's brother is from Jon himself and we know just how unreliable of a source he is on everything. I'm not saying his brother is innocent of all wrongdoing; it's more that I just don't believe Jon's account.
 
He has a history of falling for scams and schemes. There's the "writing contests" where you pay to enter and then invariably "win" your way into an anthology which they try to sell you copies of for ~$50.
There's the movie script reading services that charge upfront fees but have no expertise or industry connections.
There's the Melaleuca pyramid selling with its big up-front outlay on dubiously-effective products.
There's the cash for envelope stuffing "opportunity" which also involves initial outlay and follows it up with miserly piece-rate returns.
Sweet has fallen for all of these. At one point he complained that his brother stealing his money (which was wrong of his brother to do) prevented him from pursuing work-at-home opportunities - the implication being that he would need up-front money to begin these schemes.
Basically Sweet has fallen for every low-level sort-of-legal con going - short of penny shares, fuel-saving magnets and Kirby vacuums.
Even the can collecting is widely considered a waste of time because the money received is disproportionately lower than the time spent.

(I have links for all the above, but I'm on my mobile. I'll put them in later if anyone's interested.)

Good finds, Absinthe. You know, Jon is that dangerous kind of stupid, the kind that seems utterly incapable of fathoming just how stupid he is. He may actually transcend stupidity and suffer from something far more limiting. To fall for one of these schemes is okay, to repeatedly fall for them - particularly when you have to front the money yourself all the time - is simply incompetent. Between this and the commemorative brick(s) he bought, it's clear Jon cannot be trusted with his own money.

See, stuff like that sounds less like his brother is stealing money from him and more like his brother is taking control of his finances so he'll stop wasting everything on these stupid scams. Most of what we know of Jon's brother is from Jon himself and we know just how unreliable of a source he is on everything. I'm not saying his brother is innocent of all wrongdoing; it's more that I just don't believe Jon's account.

Much agreed. Added to which is Jon's inconsistency when addressing the subject. His brother stole his money, and controls his money, but his mom controls the purse strings. Which is it?
 
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