Treenbeen: No, you had a choice to do something or not
Treenbeen: But people don't have a choice with depression. So why on earth would you think it was at all appropriate to say "Let's see how you do without your precious anti-depressants!" and other things along those lines?
Dr. Belch: There was no time to react. They didn't just stand there and wait for me. By the time I got to the door it was all over. Besides, if I had actually attacked and managed to hurt one of them, do you not think they would have come back looking for revenge?
Treenbeen: No, because the majority of people aren't hell bent on vengeance. Shocking, I know.
Treenbeen: And the story changes every time you tell it.... sometimes, there's not time to get out there. Others, you're too afraid. Others, you watched from the window, but didn't act. Others, you grabbed the pipe from under your bed, but didn't make it.
Dr. Belch: You've never grown up in a black neighborhood, have you? You don't
know these people. I
do.
Treenbeen: Ah, we're back to the racism, I see.
Dr. Belch: As for what I said to Holly, if you're trapped in a house with a deranged psychopath
he doesn't let you have things. For me it was a cellphone. For Holly it would be his meds.
Dr. Belch: Not racism, just fact. Same reason that kid caused me so much trouble at Dale's. I couldn't do anything against him because he happened to be black. Dale wouldn't listen to me when I said he was bad news. He gave me the same dopey tolerance speech.
Treenbeen: It all comes back down to choices. Your younger brother was controlling?
Leave. You want to rebuild your life?
Do it. You're sick of these people talking about you?
Stop picking fights. How many times now has this died down, and then
Treenbeen: you post a quote from their website and start it back up?
Man up and make your own choices, and stop criticizing others for theirs.
Dr. Belch: Guess what? We almost got shut down. I had to go above and beyond in my managerial duties that day to talk the cops out of arresting us for trafficking in stolen goods. And was that worm Dale grateful?
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Treenbeen: That's not going above and beyond... that's doing your job. A strange concept, I know.
Dr. Belch: Leave and go
where? I only understand the ASU model. I couldn't find a lawyer to take my case against the Herald, and I didn't have enough saved up to rebuild it on the outside.
Treenbeen: But honestly, if you thought you were helpless against a 12 year old kid
because he was black, then you clearly don't understand legal process at all.
Treenbeen: Learn a new model! For god's sakes, you can't go back to ASU! It's over. It's done. Stop trying to screw over everyone who ever had a five minute conversation with you and go make a life for yourself! The entire world is not a tiny college campus.
Nonnymouse: Dr Belch, the ASU model of what? You have mentioned this several times and I still am not clear on exactly what you are referring to.
Treenbeen: I strongly doubt you
could go back to ASU. You've outgrown college, start acting like it.
Dr. Belch: My job was setting up window displays, helping customers, and doing inventory...
not cleaning up after Dale's stupidity.
Treenbeen: Then you weren't a manager.
Dr. Belch: Yes, I was. I managed the shop when Dale was out on buying trips. What, do
you have to deal with cops coming around wanting to question your boss on
your job? Is that
normal?
Nonnymouse: If you mean that you only understand how to live like a college student would, then please don't take this the wrong way, but perhaps you would benefit from talking with something like an advocate for adults with learning disabilities.
Dr. Belch: My job was pretty much everything except actually
repairing the equipment. I know nothing about mechanical things. I've told the story of how this caused the fight between Dale and me that ended with him skipping town-- the weed whacker guy.
Nonnymouse: I am not trying to insult you, but these people would understand how to help explain the basics of everyday living to adults who are having trouble figuring that out for themselves. Even if you are not disabled, they may be able to offer some help to you.
Treenbeen: Things happen. Yes, I have had to talk to police at a previous job. I had to assist in getting someone arrested at a previous job, for shoplifting. When you are a manager, the store and all that happens there, is your responsibility.
Dr. Belch: But I think Dale was already upset about my brother borrowing money and was just taking it out on me. He screamed at me for half the day, then at quitting time drove off and left me alone to batch in the shop as punishment.
_: Are you still planning to buy that place in Blytheville and set up your own shop?
_: If so, and you're able to run a shop, why haven't you looked for work in a shop instead of claiming disability?
Dr. Belch: Nonnymouse: I know about day-to-day living (although I have trouble with mechanical things and this modern tech). I just don't get relationships. I liked the ones we had in college-- very casual. It's hard to find those on the outside.
Treenbeen: Because they aren't relationships. They're hook ups.
Nonnymouse: Ah I see. I thought when you referenced the "ASU model you were referring to day to day life (cooking, cleaning, finding a place to live, managing money) and not relationships.
Nonnymouse: If you understand these things, is there a reason you have not tried to move out and get your own place?
Dr. Belch: Treenbeen: I know that. But Dale was the boss, and he hated being second-guessed. Whenever I tried to tell him anything, he would pout and threaten to take me home and cut me out of the business. My job was to keep an eye on him, and I guess I failed.
_: Have you ever been tested for autism? You seriously seem to have it?
Nonnymouse: A relationship is nice but it's not a necessity for living. If anything, a relationship would come after you have all the important stuff figured out.
Dr. Belch: No money. My brother learned how to forge my signature, stole my checks, and drained my bank account. I'm not allowed to control my own fiances, at least until he completes rehab, stays clean for at least a year, and can prove himself trustworthy.
_: Why do
you have to wait until
he finishes rehab before
you get control of
your money back?
Nonnymouse: I am sorry if I'm asking stupid questions, but..... why must he be out of rehab, stay clean etc in order for you to regain control of your finances? Wouldn't this be the time to take control of those, while he is out of the picture?
Treenbeen: Why are you not allowed to control your own finances?
Nonnymouse: Oh and why didn't the bank do anything about your brother's theft/forgery?
_: Or the SSI officers?
Dr. Belch: Because an unguarded book of checks is too much of a temptation to a (recovering) addict. He's talking about coming back, and Mom is seriously considering it.
gameface: Oh Sweets, why won't you just come to Kiwifarms and listen to our advice? Even if you had a simple part time job it would change your life for the better. Life is all about making mistakes and learning from them and going out of your comfort zone.
Treenbeen: I don't understand.... get a debit card? Then he can't steal your money unless he knows your pin. Why can you not control your finances?
Dr. Belch: It's just too much of a risk. And by the time the bank figured it out and called me, the damage was done. And when he got caught, my brother just pitched a fit and tried to punish us for punishing him. We came back to find a knife stuck in his bedroom door
Treenbeen: ..... right, ok... but he's not even there right now. So why can't you right now?
Treenbeen: He's in rehab, can't access you, so what's holding you back?
Dr. Belch: and him running around the yard in his underwear flipping the hell out. I tried to deal with him, and basically it ended up with the neighbors trying to pull us apart and both of us going to jail for assault charges.
_: This doesn't sound convincing at all. Who made the decision that you couldn't run your own finances? You? Him? Your mom? Your bank? A court? The SSI office?
Nonnymouse: Treenbeen is right--get a debit card. It's small enough to keep on your person at all times and he cannot use it unless he knows your PIN code. Most places have online payment systems anyway, so I think checks are becoming obsolete.
Dr. Belch: We have to make sure he
stays clean. Once the mortgage is paid off and there's more money freed up, I'll bring it up again.
_: Alternative theory: Once Dr Belch was jailed for a violent crime, the court ordered his mother to take charge of his disability payments.
Treenbeen: Right... and what does that have to do with you controlling your own money?
Nonnymouse: This is very confusing. -.- I'm trying to understand, but what Dr Belch is saying doesn't make very much sense to me. Maybe there are just factors involved in his situation with his family that we don't understand.
Treenbeen: Soo... Dr. B... you can't control your own finances because... your brother is in rehab and from there will... steal all your money and buy drugs?
Dr. Belch: It's complicated... I dramatized it, however, here and here.
Links to his awful webcomic:
1.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img208/3508/9207.jpg
2.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img854/812/9208x.jpg
_: Why not use words to tell us about it now? Also, Tim Sweet is starting to sound like a cross between MacGyver and Jesse Pinkman. I would so watch a show about a character like that.
Dr. Belch: Of course, I didn't have a dog back in those days. If I had, I might not have wound up in so much trouble.
Treenbeen: That doesn't make it anymore clear. I know he stole money from you in the past... but what about
now?
Nonnymouse: Dr Belch, I am sorry, but the comics don't clarify anything for me.....
Treenbeen: What we are asking is right now, this EXACT moment, why can't you manage your own money?
Dr. Belch: I had a strongbox filled with checks. He snuck into my room and stole it, thinking it was full of cash, then took it somewhere to pry off the lid. He was caught and sent to jail. The checks were useless to him then...
Treenbeen: Ok, yes so RIGHT NOW, YEARS LATER, why can you not manage your own money?
Dr. Belch: but after a couple more stints he learned a few new tricks. I got new checks and a new hiding place. He found it and made off with them.
Treenbeen: Regardless of what he did then, what could he possibly do now?
_: Were these SSI checks? Can't you get your money paid directly into a bank account?
_: There's no reason to keep ducking the SSI issue, by the way. No-one will judge you.
Dr. Belch: Uh...yeah, they will. That is
all they do.
Dr. Belch: So in answer to your question, I don't know, okay? There are
rules. I've learned you don't question the rules. No, these were ordinary blank checks, drawn on my bank account. I had a small nest-egg socked away. He cracked it. Now maybe he's sincere
_: Even the people here?
Nonnymouse: Does he still control your finances? Does your mother control them? If so, why can't you take them back from him or ask her to return control to you?
_: You drew blank checks on your own account? To be honest, it's probably good that someone is helping you handle your finances...
Treenbeen: I'm just not understanding. Who made the rules?
Treenbeen: Who told you that you can't manage your finances right now?
Dr. Belch: about turning his life around, but I can't take chances. I get a small gov't stipend, to help out since we lost our shirt on the shop.
Thank you, Dale. I really don't see anything from it except for a small allowance.
Nonnymouse: But Dr Belch, you were a newspaperman, correct? Isn't it a newspaperman's job to question the rules? Besides, this is your life, your money. Why shouldn't you ask questions about it and try to get control of it again?
Nonnymouse: I know you feel very suspicious of a lot of people in the world, but surely your mother isn't one of those people? You can ask her questions about this, can't you?
_: Look. We already
know it's SSI for your laryngitis - we have the link where you said so yourself. I'm genuinely sorry you have such a problem.
_: If you weren't cantankerous and a blowhard, people would be more likely to want to help you.
_: Instead, you set yourself up as some kind of bargain-bin Limbaugh, and you alienate so many people. It's alright for Rush - he's got all the dollars and sweet, sweet oxycontin he wants. You need people on your side, and that's easier if you're nice.
Dr. Belch: I
was a newspaperman. Questioning the rules got me nowhere. They didn't like me being a nice guy, if a bit of a star-struck fanboy sometimes....
Shitty comic pt deux:
http://smokingcatcomicsandcollectibles2.webs.com/Graphics/25-02.jpg
Treenbeen: So... that's your grand solution? Just... give up on everything? A job went badly once, done with the whole working industry. One newspaper let you go, can't be a writer anymore. Brother stole some checks, can't handle your own money. Girl broke up with
Treenbeen: you? Can't move past it and have another relationship.
Nonnymouse: But again, why can't you talk to your mother about the matter of your finances? Do you believe she will lie to you or try to hurt you?
Treenbeen: Is revenge really all you have left now?
Dr. Belch: ...and playing the "
bad boy" didn't go over too well, even if the fans dug it. So really, I don't know where I belong.
Dr. Belch: Yes. Yes, it is.
_: You should talk to someone about whether you are on the autistic spectrum.
Nonnymouse: Dr Belch, it is much, much harder to be a good person and rise above your enemies than it is to sink into bitterness. I am sure you have it in you to be the better person and make something of your life.
Nonnymouse: It is worth the struggle when you can look back on your life and say, "Look at how far I've come! Look at what I've accomplished! I've proved all those nay-sayers wrong!"
_: What the hell is that cartoon in the "bad boy" link about? Was that "turd as child" thing something you actually talked about, in real life?
Nonnymouse: I think it is a shame for anyone to become so lost in their anger that they never move past it and give up any chance at making a good life for themselves.
Treenbeen: Well, you can whine about how much everything sucks all you want, or you can make an effort to do something to fix it. Your call.
_: Read this, Dr Belch:
http://usaspatriot.proboards.com/thread/1083/christian-weston-chandler-real?page=3&scrollTo=313288
_: It's you, praising Chris-Chan's brother Cole for moving out of a dysfunctional house and seeking counseling.
Why not take your own advice?
Treenbeen: ^^^^^ DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER.
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