🎨 Artcow Iconoclast / Jonathan Mack Sweet - The Chris-Chan of Arkansas

[Shadow Fox]

Apologies for the double-post, but I also found this:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1341072...ter-Jonathan-M-Sweet_-made-by-Roselyne---Webs

It's an interview with Sweets from 10 years ago, for what looks like a horror/scifi zine. Could someone please download it - I can't on my phone. The Google result that brought me to it suggests he discussed "Ashleigh" in the interview.

Somewhere along the road I learned more about plot structure, and how to draw, so the stories and the artwork became better. But I never did let go of the stick-figures. They became my trademark.

He also references Rubik the Amazing Cube. Jesus, for a while I thought that was just some horrible thing I'd hallucinated as a kid.

 

[NobleGreyHorse]

I made a Pastebin account just so others could have the lulz of reading this interview with Sweets (I already had a Docstoc account -- otherwise, the full document is behind a paywall). Needless to say, "Jenny Horne" isn't my name or anything close. Here you go: http://pastebin.com/WWPhDSiQ

Edit: I should say that you're unlikely to learn anything Sweets hasn't already told us, but that his response to being called a "misogynist" is actually pretty funny, and there's some new description of life and fights with his brother. (Strangely, his brother got angry upon seeing a roach in his dinner.) Allegedly he keeps his crooked glasses unrepaired to remind him of the grievous harm said brother has inflicted on his life, although honestly, I don't think he could ever forget the slightest grudge anyway. His intricate description of naming his characters also shouldn't be missed.

 

[MrsFrizzle]

That idiot fell for a scam literary agent who's never sold a manuscript.

 

[Shadow Fox]

I made a Pastebin account just so others could have the lulz of reading this interview with Sweets (I already had a Docstoc account -- otherwise, the full document is behind a paywall). Needless to say, "Jenny Horne" isn't my name or anything close. Here you go: http://pastebin.com/WWPhDSiQ

Edit: I should say that you're unlikely to learn anything Sweets hasn't already told us, but that his response to being called a "misogynist" is actually pretty funny, and there's some new description of life and fights with his brother. (Strangely, his brother got angry upon seeing a roach in his dinner.) Allegedly he keeps his crooked glasses unrepaired to remind him of the grievous harm said brother has inflicted on his life, although honestly, I don't think he could ever forget the slightest grudge anyway. His intricate description of naming his characters also shouldn't be missed.

Thanks for the pastebin!

This whole article is hilarious. True to form, rather than respond to any criticism of his character, he wrenches the conversation back to his sob stories about The Shop, his brother, and the damn dirty liberal conspiracy. I'm also starting to wonder if his brother was really a rage-filled drug fiend and didn't just slap the shit out of Sweets for being a gutless coward who farted himself and did nothing while their mom was being attacked on the front lawn.

Other tidbits:
- He admits that he blamed himself for The Shop's failure for a while, then he came to his senses and realized that it was really his brother's fault. Whew! Off the hook.
- He was disappointed that he didn't get cake for his 28th birthday.
- He got lost in a hospital for eight hours and had to have someone show him where a payphone was so he could call his mom to pick him up.
- Flat out states that he based a racist asshole character on himself. Also constantly refers to black people as "coloreds."
- Keeps insisting that being given plastic water bottles, titty mags and loose change by the student body made him "a god."
- "Most don't know about the snakepits that lurk in the minds of geniuses and their art."
- Writes characters based on himself whose obsessions lead them to ruin, but apparently learns nothing from them.

He also says that if he were a fruit, he would be a kiwi. One of us...one of ussssss...

 

[The I Scream Man]

holy fucking shit

You may be onto something here

 

[whitewolf0079]

I made a Pastebin account just so others could have the lulz of reading this interview with Sweets (I already had a Docstoc account -- otherwise, the full document is behind a paywall). Needless to say, "Jenny Horne" isn't my name or anything close. Here you go: http://pastebin.com/WWPhDSiQ

Edit: I should say that you're unlikely to learn anything Sweets hasn't already told us, but that his response to being called a "misogynist" is actually pretty funny, and there's some new description of life and fights with his brother. (Strangely, his brother got angry upon seeing a roach in his dinner.) Allegedly he keeps his crooked glasses unrepaired to remind him of the grievous harm said brother has inflicted on his life, although honestly, I don't think he could ever forget the slightest grudge anyway. His intricate description of naming his characters also shouldn't be missed.

That was a great read.

I was involved in the student newspaper and currently work in student affairs at a college. Not much of what he said is remotely believable. He definitely "yadda yadda yadda" ed a lot of whatever the true story is.

 

[atomik fyre]

Allegedly they did meet, although my guess is that he thought that the sex hotline was real and stalked the shit out of "Ashleigh". I take most of Mr. Sweet's comments as being the the near opposite of what actually happened, considering his delusions and inability to see the sins within himself.

I think that is quite a leap, even for Sweets. From what he's said, she was a girl, that apparently first called his dorm looking for his roommate. He kept talking to her and something developed, according to him. Now, I'm not sure it was phone sex, I think that is pure Iconoclast trying to look cool, but this phone call leading him to who he thinks is the girl of his dreams, is pretty much where he got the idea that there's a secret society hooking up college students.

He did badger her into meeting him, a meeting in which he bailed on only after a few minutes, made her promise to meet him back later that day and she never showed. Also, she's been described, by him, as a high school aged girl. I think she was a young townie that had either actually met his roommate somehow, or just used that as an excuse to start the conversation after randomly calling him. It could be a catfishing attempt, his very first troll, or a young inexperienced girl who thought she'd try and talk to a more mature college boy by trying to reach one on the local campus and got rather unlucky.

If I recall, she also has 3 different names. Ashleigh is is the first that she's used w/ Iconoclast, so it is his go to name for her. I forget what the other 2 were, but they were discovered by Iconoclast's own detective skills, so I'm sure those are both incorrect as well.

 

[NobleGreyHorse]

Yeah, I love how the "little faggot" who he alleges was copying Doonesbury strips (translation: drawing cartoons from a middle-class white liberal perspective?) was allegedly "bought off." Because the stakes in the college-newspaper game are that high for everyone, and the budget has a line item for bribery.

I truly love the way he doesn't see any connection between his own behavior and subsequent events. Like, he launches a letter-writing campaign; the university bans him from its campus; and he can't add 1+1=2. He thinks the opinions expressed in the letters were the problem, not the disturbing behavior of actually sending them. 1+1= potato.

 

[Meowthkip]

The day after the hammer came down, my Pamela Anderson poster was defaced. It was a gift from my followers. It was hanging on my dorm room door, with a hole in her nipple for the peephole to poke through. Someone sprayed hand soap on her face and cut off her tits with a pair of scissors. I think that's when it really hit me, what had happened. It's like they knew I had fallen from grace. I had gone from god on earth to the floor joke overnight. I cried.

OH NOES NOT HIS PAMELA ANDERSON POSTER!

 

[Shadow Fox]

Yeah, I love how the "little faggot" who he alleges was copying Doonesbury strips (translation: drawing cartoons from a middle-class white liberal perspective?) was allegedly "bought off." Because the stakes in the college-newspaper game are that high for everyone, and the budget has a line item for bribery.

I truly love the way he doesn't see any connection between his own behavior and subsequent events. Like, he launches a letter-writing campaign; the university bans him from its campus; and he can't add 1+1=2. He thinks the opinions expressed in the letters were the problem, not the disturbing behavior of actually sending them. 1+1= potato.

I thought it was also hilarious that he chose not to publish his autobiography not because it was, in his own words, "whiny and petty", but because he believed he'd spilled secrets about the dark underbelly of the college newspaper and it would result in a lawsuit.

Oh yeah, and he was banned from calling Rush Limbaugh's show because he called the editor of the college paper a cunt. What a treasure.

 

[The I Scream Man]

OH NOES NOT HIS PAMELA ANDERSON POSTER!

This is what convinces me that Sweetness was far from this hero of the modern age that he envisions himself as...rather, I see him as being more akin to a Jay Geis-style figure, an object of scorn and ridicule too stupid to understand that they were laughing at him, not with him. I mean who the hell puts a fucking poster of Pamela Anderson on their dorm room door and expects to be taken seriously? He was not and never shall be king, I fear.

I thought it was also hilarious that he chose not to publish his autobiography not because it was, in his own words, "whiny and petty", but because he believed he'd spilled secrets about the dark underbelly of the college newspaper and it would result in a lawsuit.

Oh yeah, and he was banned from calling Rush Limbaugh's show because he called the editor of the college paper a cunt. What a treasure.

I love how he honestly can't comprehend how no one fucking cares about a college newspaper, or him for that matter. On that other forum of his (one of many???) he's been rehashing a common theme lately, namely that "now that I have the chance to ask all these people the hard questions and get answers I will get justice!" and somehow that will make them all see it from his perspective? I just don't understand his reasoning here.

 

[He Sets Me On Fire]

If only that were the bottom of the rabbit-hole.

Search "Ashleigh Bainks" in quotes, and the only results are Sweet-related. Most notably, this - which looks very much like it was posted by Sweets under a pseudonym:

http://m.topix.com/forum/city/killeen-tx/TNFAB10J3HKLR6JLM

It's a rambling mess. The girl gave one name, then several, and maybe lied about her father's job...?

This girl just doesn't add up.

About those names -

Assuming that 'Nostradamus' and John Sweet are one and the same, he lists the woman's other aliases as Carolyn Jones, Jessica Mimbs, and Jessica Parr. Carolyn Jones was a famous TV actress of the 50s and 60s whose most prominent role was Morticia of The Addams Family.

Also, it may not seem like that big of a deal, but for what it's worth, I should mention that Jessica Parr shares a surname with Jack Parr, who hosted The Tonight Show from 1957-62, prior to Johnny Carson.

 

[MrsFrizzle]

That's some fine detective work Mr. Nostradamus was doing there. Narrowing the so-called "Ashleigh" down to three possible states of residence? I smell Pulitzer Prize-level journalism skills!

Seriously, is this dude actually delusional, or is it a shtick?

 

[He Sets Me On Fire]

"She is a very dangerous and disturbed young woman, possibly a sexual predator."

'Nostradamus', 27 November, 2012

"And as far as Ashleigh goes, I will have her or I will destroy her--but I can never forget her."

John Sweet, Welcome to Lemora "FUQ"

 

[MrsFrizzle]

I mean, on one hand it's funny that this lady he's talking smack about all over the Internet is leading a perfectly ordinary life, not being a sexual predator or criminal or whatever, but on the other hand it's fucked up that he has this crazy grudge. Even the gossip mongers at Topix don't touch it.

 

[Meowthkip]

I mean, on one hand it's funny that this lady he's talking smack about all over the Internet is leading a perfectly ordinary life, not being a sexual predator or criminal or whatever, but on the other hand it's fucked up that he has this crazy grudge. Even the gossip mongers at Topix don't touch it.

This goes on for too much longer without any intervention there's going to be a fucking murder or something.

 

[NobleGreyHorse]

This goes on for too much longer without any intervention there's going to be a fucking murder or something.

Yeah, not gonna lie, the options he presents with regard to "Ashleigh" are "have," despite her complete and total rejection of everything about him forever, or "destroy," and even though he seems harmless and ineffectual, that makes me a tad uncomfortable.

 

[MrsFrizzle]

I think the person he's fixated on will come through just fine. She has some good resources at her command. But being stalked is the worst, even by the world's least competent stalker.

 

[Meowthkip]

I think the person he's fixated on will come through just fine. She has some good resources at her command. But being stalked is the worst, even by the world's least competent stalker.

I've only ever been cyber stalked and that was enough to scare the shit out of me. I couldn't imagine how terrifying it would be to be stalked outside of the internet, incompetent stalker or no.

 

[MrsFrizzle]

Yes. All the feels for her for sure.