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The_Iconoclast said:
Bars are the absolute worst places to meet women. Besides, I don't want a cheap one-night stand with a bleary gin-soaked skank; I'm looking for 'a long -term affair with a gorgeous, passionate upper-class lady. My ex's dad was a lawyer--I could have sued that rag I worked for into oblivion. Or, he could have gotten me a job at his firm, or perhaps loaned me the cash to keep my business going after my partner skipped town. But noooooooooooooooo. I didn't know the rules, and I lost out on the best thing I ever had. I had no one in my corner when I was starting out. That's why I have devoted my work to helping young men not make the same life-rending mistakes I did in college. Is that what you consider my "fetish"?
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Don't knock it til you try it. So, how long did were you with this lady anyway?
 
Hey, Al Bundy is my hero. He's even made several appearances in the comic.

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After my girl left me the first time five months into our relationship, I tried moving on and dating someone else (with whom I had a lot more in common and really felt happy with). That was my mistake. At my school there's a rule against bringing in women from outside The System. I failed to realize this, and that was strike number two for me. The first girl came back, but she was terribly jealous of the second, so our reconciliation didn't last long. Like I said, it's complicated.
 
The best part is we weren't even talking about this guy for a year until he showed up.

Let me say it again:
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The_Iconoclast said:
Bars are the absolute worst places to meet women. Besides, I don't want a cheap one-night stand with a bleary gin-soaked skank; I'm looking for 'a long -term affair with a gorgeous, passionate upper-class lady. My ex's dad was a lawyer--I could have sued that rag I worked for into oblivion. Or, he could have gotten me a job at his firm, or perhaps loaned me the cash to keep my business going after my partner skipped town. But noooooooooooooooo. I didn't know the rules, and I lost out on the best thing I ever had. I had no one in my corner when I was starting out. That's why I have devoted my work to helping young men not make the same life-rending mistakes I did in college. Is that what you consider my "fetish"?
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I met Sir Pikonic at a bar, we've been together for two an a half years
 
I haven't pined for a girl for longer than one year, and I'm supposed to be in my emotional teen years. Five years or so in your thirties? Really sad.
 
The_Iconoclast said:
It won't prove anything. My former bosses are too stupid and pigheaded to comprehend that two people can have the same idea completely independently of each other... or to fathom that not everyone watches the same TV shows. In 1997 I was watching Mad TV on FOX, so if this is the sketch in question, I guess I missed it. Of course, we didn't have YouTube and Hulu and all these file-sharing sites back then, so a copy of the now-not-so-Magic Phantom-Sketch would have been much harder to get. But, you know, it'd have been nice if they'd tried. This long-standing dispute has really hurt me. My old friends at the paper aren't even allowed to speak to me because of it, I had to drop out of grad school, and I was forced to take a less prestigious and lower-paying job that made my life even worse.

Now as I warned you, it's pretty raw, but here are the notes for "TV Ratings System".

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Honestly, I think they just wanted me to step down, but were too cowardly to admit it...and this provided a good excuse to make it happen.
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Having reviewed your writing and viewing the sketch, I have to remark they employ the same exact joke structure, but not at all the same jokes. I personally wouldn't accuse you of plagiarism because the structure isn't making any creative leaps and is a very obvious one to make. I must ask, have you watched the video in question yet, or have you not, based on your ongoing refusal to admit in exists up until now? All that being said the tone was completely different between the two. The SNL one is in their traditional irreverent tone, yours comes off a bit... smarmy? pretentious? I'm not sure the of word I'm looking for here. It certainly isn't "funny" though.

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Hey, my ex does it. She's in her thirties now, and no one says one bad word against her when she hangs around the dorms and fools around with men ten, 12 years younger than her. If anything, she's considered a feminist icon. Now maybe things have changed a lot since my day, but when I was in college, there were hard-and-fast thou-shalt-nots for dating. Somehow I managed to break every one of those rules, and I got punished by watching the perfect girl walk out on me.
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Get over it, she's not perfect and she never was. I guarantee that she's a joke amongst the college age boys you say she is fooling around with. She's not anything like any femenist icon from the '90s forward, see @DrChristianTroy and the comment re: Kathleen Hannah. Also we attended college around the same time it seems (I may be a little younger than you, but not by much) and I don't remember any hard or fast rules for dating back then. Not that I was good at it back then. The only "thou-shall-nots" I remember are that of "don't be a jerk," "don't make the girl uncomfortable" and "if the girl is uncomfortable, let her regain comfort however she feels fit." That last one might mean that she will never talk to you again, so deal with that and don't creep out the next girl. If you broke those three rules, yeah, you'd be good and finished for the rest of your dating career until you learn how to follow them.

The_Iconoclast said:
I'm looking for 'a long -term affair with a gorgeous, passionate upper-class lady. My ex's dad was a lawyer--I could have sued that rag I worked for into oblivion. Or, he could have gotten me a job at his firm, or perhaps loaned me the cash to keep my business going after my partner skipped town. But noooooooooooooooo. I didn't know the rules, and I lost out on the best thing I ever had.
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You seem to see your ex and her father as the gravy train that got away. Listen, I've had a business fail and I currently have one on it's last legs. I don't blame the "rules" of whatever on the failure. Sometimes things don't work out, and sometimes I've fucked things up. In the end, because I didn't dwell on my failures and addressed my faults I was able to still live a life that, by all rights, is beyond the craziest dreams I have when I was in university. We are not owed anything in this country, we have to make our own way. In the end @The_Iconoclast I don't see us as too different, us being close in age and coming from similar backgrounds I suppose (from what I'm able to gather from what you've posted), but other times I can't compair us and understand how we've both managed to be so very different. The mid-'90s was a long time ago and I thank everything holy that America isn't like that anymore and I'm not the guy I was back then. That guy would be having a rougher time in 2014 than he ever did in 1997. Good luck in life Iconoclast, you're going to need it.
 
atomik fyre said:
Having reviewed your writing and viewing the sketch, I have to remark they employ the same exact joke structure, but not at all the same jokes. I personally wouldn't accuse you of plagiarism because the structure isn't making any creative leaps and is a very obvious one to make. I must ask, have you watched the video in question yet, or have you not, based on your ongoing refusal to admit in exists up until now? All that being said the tone was completely different between the two. The SNL one is in their traditional irreverent tone, yours comes off a bit... smarmy? pretentious? I'm not sure the of word I'm looking for here. It certainly isn't "funny" though.



Get over it, she's not perfect and she never was. I guarantee that she's a joke amongst the college age boys you say she is fooling around with. She's not anything like any femenist icon from the '90s forward, see @DrChristianTroy and the comment re: Kathleen Hannah. Also we attended college around the same time it seems (I may be a little younger than you, but not by much) and I don't remember any hard or fast rules for dating back then. Not that I was good at it back then. The only "thou-shall-nots" I remember are that of "don't be a jerk," "don't make the girl uncomfortable" and "if the girl is uncomfortable, let her regain comfort however she feels fit." That last one might mean that she will never talk to you again, so deal with that and don't creep out the next girl. If you broke those three rules, yeah, you'd be good and finished for the rest of your dating career until you learn how to follow them.



You seem to see your ex and her father as the gravy train that got away. Listen, I've had a business fail and I currently have one on it's last legs. I don't blame the "rules" of whatever on the failure. Sometimes things don't work out, and sometimes I've fucked things up. In the end, because I didn't dwell on my failures and addressed my faults I was able to still live a life that, by all rights, is beyond the craziest dreams I have when I was in university. We are not owed anything in this country, we have to make our own way. In the end @The_Iconoclast I don't see us as too different, us being close in age and coming from similar backgrounds I suppose (from what I'm able to gather from what you've posted), but other times I can't compair us and understand how we've both managed to be so very different. The mid-'90s was a long time ago and I thank everything holy that America isn't like that anymore and I'm not the guy I was back then. That guy would be having a rougher time in 2014 than he ever did in 1997. Good luck in life Iconoclast, you're going to need it.
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This is an excellent post and you should read it Mr. @The_Iconoclast. Part of growing up is learning to let things go, no matter how much it hurts. I wish I'd known that years ago, to be sure, and yeah it does suck to go through that process, but you seem to be at the point in your life where you've endured those trials and haven't learned that lesson yet. Truly astounding.

I really agree with the last point made here: dwelling on failures in life leads only to missed opportunities. How can you see what approaches if you're too busy staring wistfully in your rear view mirror? I just find your willingness to blame anything and reach far (and make no mistake, sir, you ARE reaching with some of this stuff) to be holding you back, rather significantly.

I don't know a lot about success, but I know all about failure, as do you, so from one guy to another, let me tell you: learn to love failures. When you fail at anything, it's an opportunity for you to change, to find something new. I missed out on two jobs in the past two months and wound up with a third one that I love more than I ever thought I would. And honestly, life would be awful if you won every time. That sounds like Hell to me, man.
 
atomik fyre said:
Having reviewed your writing and viewing the sketch, I have to remark they employ the same exact joke structure, but not at all the same jokes. I personally wouldn't accuse you of plagiarism because the structure isn't making any creative leaps and is a very obvious one to make. I must ask, have you watched the video in question yet, or have you not, based on your ongoing refusal to admit in exists up until now? All that being said the tone was completely different between the two. The SNL one is in their traditional irreverent tone, yours comes off a bit... smarmy? pretentious? I'm not sure the of word I'm looking for here. It certainly isn't "funny" though.



Get over it, she's not perfect and she never was. I guarantee that she's a joke amongst the college age boys you say she is fooling around with. She's not anything like any femenist icon from the '90s forward, see @DrChristianTroy and the comment re: Kathleen Hannah. Also we attended college around the same time it seems (I may be a little younger than you, but not by much) and I don't remember any hard or fast rules for dating back then. Not that I was good at it back then. The only "thou-shall-nots" I remember are that of "don't be a jerk," "don't make the girl uncomfortable" and "if the girl is uncomfortable, let her regain comfort however she feels fit." That last one might mean that she will never talk to you again, so deal with that and don't creep out the next girl. If you broke those three rules, yeah, you'd be good and finished for the rest of your dating career until you learn how to follow them.



You seem to see your ex and her father as the gravy train that got away. Listen, I've had a business fail and I currently have one on it's last legs. I don't blame the "rules" of whatever on the failure. Sometimes things don't work out, and sometimes I've fucked things up. In the end, because I didn't dwell on my failures and addressed my faults I was able to still live a life that, by all rights, is beyond the craziest dreams I have when I was in university. We are not owed anything in this country, we have to make our own way. In the end @The_Iconoclast I don't see us as too different, us being close in age and coming from similar backgrounds I suppose (from what I'm able to gather from what you've posted), but other times I can't compair us and understand how we've both managed to be so very different. The mid-'90s was a long time ago and I thank everything holy that America isn't like that anymore and I'm not the guy I was back then. That guy would be having a rougher time in 2014 than he ever did in 1997. Good luck in life Iconoclast, you're going to need it.
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atomik fyre said:
[H]ave you watched the video in question yet, or have you not, based on your ongoing refusal to admit in exists up until now?
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I will, but it'll take some time to process mentally. After all, I was ready to take my bosses to court over this. I might still get them on some small charge...but learning the sketch could actually be real takes a lot out of my defense, and would impact any settlement money I hope to gain. I don't ask to win every time, as Troy suggests, but I would like to have enough saved up to finally get out from under my brother's thumb. He makes Our Favorite LOLCoiw look like a goddamn [cwc]heartsweet[/cwc] by comparison.

atomik fyre said:
[Y]ours comes off a bit... smarmy? pretentious? I'm not sure of the word I'm looking for here. It certainly isn't "funny" though.
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It wasn't meant to be funny. I was very serious. The word I believe you're looking for is "exaggerated". If you take the progressive socialist liberal ideology to its logical extreme, you get buried in a mess of misery, corruption and weird, oppressive rules. I've used the same style of argument in comic "episodes" I've written about gay marriage and gun control. The outcomes I purport are so over-the-top they are hilarious, but you can't forget, this is what these people want for America. My work is about helping people see what a sick joke the left's ideas are, so they won't vote for them, and we can keep the poison of change from overtaking this nation.

The only thing I've learned from my mistakes is that moving on is a ploy. It only makes things worse. I'm better off going backwards in life and establishing my beachhead firmly in the past.
 
The_Iconoclast said:
I will, but it'll take some time to process mentally. After all, I was ready to take my bosses to court over this. I might still get them on some small charge...but learning the sketch could actually be real takes a lot out of my defense, and would impact any settlement money I hope to gain. I don't ask to win every time, as Troy suggests, but I would like to have enough saved up to finally get out from under my brother's thumb. He makes Our Favorite LOLCoiw look like a goddamn [cwc]heartsweet[/cwc] by comparison.


It wasn't meant to be funny. I was very serious. The word I believe you're looking for is "exaggerated". If you take the progressive socialist liberal ideology to its logical extreme, you get buried in a mess of misery, corruption and weird, oppressive rules. I've used the same style of argument in comic "episodes" I've written about gay marriage and gun control. The outcomes I purport are so over-the-top they are hilarious, but you can't forget, this is what these people want for America. My work is about helping people see what a sick joke the left's ideas are, so they won't vote for them, and we can keep the poison of change from overtaking this nation.

The only thing I've learned from my mistakes is that moving on is a ploy. It only makes things worse. I'm better off going backwards in life and establishing my beachhead firmly in the past.
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Why's gay marriage and gun control a sick joke? I think neither of these issues are particularly funny, but maybe there's something funny about them I am missing. Care to elaborate?
 
The_Iconoclast said:
I will, but it'll take some time to process mentally. After all, I was ready to take my bosses to court over this. I might still get them on some small charge...but learning the sketch could actually be real takes a lot out of my defense, and would impact any settlement money I hope to gain.
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Like I said, even though the sketch exists, the charge of plagiarism is severely trumped up. I am very much on your side that you did not plagiarize the sketch in question for your article. I know, a stranger on the internet agrees with you, not sure how much legal traction that will gain you.

The_Iconoclast said:
I don't ask to win every time, as Troy suggests, but I would like to have enough saved up to finally get out from under my brother's thumb. He makes Our Favorite LOLCoiw look like a goddamn [cwc]heartsweet[/cwc] by comparison..
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You seem to dislike your brother. Why are you under his thumb? What did he do correct in life that gives him power over you?

The_Iconoclast said:
It wasn't meant to be funny. I was very serious. The word I believe you're looking for is "exaggerated".
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Ok, that tracks for me. Wasn't sure if that's where you were headed or not. When comparing to SNL I always assume that funny is the brass ring that is being sought. Satire through exaggeration works.

The_Iconoclast said:
The only thing I've learned from my mistakes is that moving on is a ploy. It only makes things worse. I'm better off going backwards in life and establishing my beachhead firmly in the past.
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I just can't agree with you here though. If I lived in the past... well, it wouldn't be pretty. Through moving forward in life and a lot of dumb luck, I've gotten to a place where I feel like I succeeded w/o really trying too hard to "Live the American Dream". I got there, against all odds, because I stopped returning to the well of my post-adolescence. To each their own, sir.
 
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The_Iconoclast said:
The only thing I've learned from my mistakes is that moving on is a ploy. It only makes things worse. I'm better off going backwards in life and establishing my beachhead firmly in the past.
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But you keep pining for idealistic days that never existed. A chick that didn't love you and a job where they were waiting to fire you. How is that better?

Also your site is impossible to navigate. Between the broken links and the shitty mouse images it's like 1999 decided to die there.
 
the name iconoclast looks like iconolasm. votum stellarum bitches
 
The_Iconoclast said:
I will, but it'll take some time to process mentally. After all, I was ready to take my bosses to court over this. I might still get them on some small charge...but learning the sketch could actually be real takes a lot out of my defense, and would impact any settlement money I hope to gain. I don't ask to win every time, as Troy suggests, but I would like to have enough saved up to finally get out from under my brother's thumb. He makes Our Favorite LOLCoiw look like a goddamn [cwc]heartsweet[/cwc] by comparison.


It wasn't meant to be funny. I was very serious. The word I believe you're looking for is "exaggerated". If you take the progressive socialist liberal ideology to its logical extreme, you get buried in a mess of misery, corruption and weird, oppressive rules. I've used the same style of argument in comic "episodes" I've written about gay marriage and gun control. The outcomes I purport are so over-the-top they are hilarious, but you can't forget, this is what these people want for America. My work is about helping people see what a sick joke the left's ideas are, so they won't vote for them, and we can keep the poison of change from overtaking this nation.

The only thing I've learned from my mistakes is that moving on is a ploy. It only makes things worse. I'm better off going backwards in life and establishing my beachhead firmly in the past.
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Good bump of a dead thread.
 
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