🐱 How one subreddit is fighting hate on its own platform - “We appear where there is fascism and we leave when it’s gone. We are the antibodies of the nation’s blood.”

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For all of the ways it has connected people to each other and noble causes, mainstream social media remains a gigantic cesspool of racism and violent ideation. And social media giants Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Reddit still seem to struggle in getting a handle on it.

This isn’t the anarchic world of far-right spheres like Voat and 8chan, where virtually no attempt is made to police content. These are the sites that average, non-racist people use every day for work, communication, newsgathering, and entertainment.


And they continue to be overrun by trolls and racism.

Uber-message board Reddit has seen some of the worst of this trend, with an endless stream of subreddits revolving around anti-Semitism, misogyny, white nationalism, conspiracy theories, and harassment. The notoriously anti-moderation Reddit has taken action against a few, including outright banning subs devoted to the QAnon conspiracy, racial violence, and the “incel” movement. It’s also quarantined some others. But mostly, Reddit relies on up or down votes from users to push content to the top, or drop it to the bottom, of subreddits.

But for the users of Against Hate Subreddits (AHS), such hands-off moderation and self-policing simply aren’t enough. Started in 2016, r/AgainstHateSubreddits came together as a way to spotlight and collect hate, racism, and bigotry in communities all over “the front page of the Internet,” and to organize trolling/downvoting campaigns against it. Reddit, they say, simply isn’t doing enough to make users aware of the hate on the site.

AHS users the Daily Dot spoke with said that the creation of the sub was due to Reddit’s inaction over the pervasive racism, homophobia, and outright fascism in major right-wing leaning threads.

“Media and their bottom-line is seemingly all [Reddit] cares about,” r/AgainstHateSubreddits mod -Ph03niX- told the Daily Dot. “[It’s gotten] to the point where disinfo, hate and radicalism is preferable to them over those who’re trying to do the opposite and expel the garbage from the site.”

Far from harmless trolling, as many Reddit users claim they’re engaged in, AHS sees the rise of hate threads as a menace to critical thinking, and a gateway to truly violent hate groups.

“We believe that this subreddit could serve to avert people on the border from falling into echo chambers of bigotry,” the sub’s FAQ states, “by providing sources or refutations against common claims circulating in bigoted subreddits, and by providing ample evidence of the general shittiness of such subreddits.”

And it’s this urge that drives many members to join.

“I studied about what [fascism] might look like if it came to America. I saw frightening similarities,” added user Canadian Mist. “AHS has been incredibly effective in shining a spotlight on white supremacist subreddits. They routinely drag fascist subs out of the dark, and they are quarantined or banned within weeks.”

AHS also keeps a running list of hate subreddits, links to debunkings of oft-cited racist crime statistics, and refutation of some of the biological and historical misinformation that “race realists” often use in their fallacious arguments.

The sub that faces the wrath of AHS the most is, by far, the rabidly pro-Trump sub r/The_Donald. The largest and most prolific of Reddit’s MAGA subs, T_D, as it’s often abbreviated, is a place where Trump acolytes gather to exalt the man they often refer to as “god emperor” and organize harassment campaigns against Trump’s enemies.

The sub has also been the source of some of the most widely-shared Trump and conspiracy theory memes the internet has seen in the past few years—including a few shared by Trump himself—along with violent content and paeans to mass shooters. AHS has routinely spotlighted some of the sub’s worst offenses and calls for the death of various liberals and Democrats.

In fact, of the top 20 all-time threads on AHS, virtually all are related to T_D or its most prolific users.

In June, following death threats posted on T_D against public officials and police in Oregon in the aftermath of a failed attempt to pass a climate bill, Reddit quarantined the sub, putting an opt-in page before users could click onto it, and removing it from Google searches.

In a statement, Reddit claimed it was the “repeated rule-breaking behavior” of the sub that eventually led to the quarantine, and it’s likely that much of this came to Reddit’s attention via mass reporting by AHS.

Even before that, Reddit banned neo-Nazi sub and frequent AHS target r/physical_removal after outcries from AHS users in the aftermath of the Charlottesville riot. They also bannedalt-right populated subs r/uncensorednews and r/European thanks to AHS-led mass reporting campaigns.

Beyond Trump’s most rabid fans, the sub has also fought transphobia in subs like r/LBGDroptheT, conspiracy theories in r/conservative, anti-Semitism pretty much all over Reddit, and subs devoted to individual alt-right or racial theory figures.

Conspiracy theories and the rampant growth of r/conspiracy are so entwined with the far-right that AHS mod -Ph03niX- even started an alternative conspiracy sub, r/ConspiracyII, in “an effort to try and nudge the people from the incredibly toxic /r/conspiracy sub into better modes of thought.”

While it’s gotten better thanks to bans and quarantines, Reddit still routinely fails to police sexism, racism, homophobia, and violent ideation, “unless it gets out into the press and threatens their advertising revenue,” as AHS user RaceCarLock told Daily Dot.

The people who post in what AHS deems “hate subreddits” are not especially big fans of AHS.

Conservative news site Red State has disparagingly called AHS “Reddit’s version of [far-left site] Media Matters,” and one Reddit user even started a change.org petition to stop Reddit from “censorship” of subs AHS users have campaigned against. At press time, it has 13 signatures.

No matter what, AHS users don’t plan on stopping their campaigns until Reddit takes more action.

“Anti-fascism exists only to oppose fascism,” Canadian Mist told Daily Dot. “We appear where there is fascism and we leave when it’s gone. We are the antibodies of the nation’s blood.”
 
Something something you get what you fucking deserve.
Always be cautious of someone who claims to be a moral arbiter. When they decide they are objectively good, anyone who opposes them must be objectively evil. Then there are no bad tactics OR bad targets.
 
Far from harmless trolling, as many Reddit users claim they’re engaged in, AHS sees the rise of hate threads as a menace to critical thinking, and a gateway to truly violent hate groups.

"Allowing people to say things we disagree with is a menace to critical thinking" is an absolutely nuclear take, but about what I'd expect from these miserable keyboard warriors.
 
I don't know what those AHS retards think they're doing. The trolls will just make new subreddits again and again just to annoy them and waste their time.
 
Ah yes, I'm sure AHS [or the antibodies of the nation's blood as they call themselves] are winning over plenty of hearts and minds by relentless deplatforming largely benign communities of people. Or spamming CP, death threats and other assorted exceptional shit to get these communities banned or quarantined. The 'threats against law enforcement' which got T_D quarantined somewhat recently were thought to be posted by one such self-described 'antibody' too. And if you've spent even two fucking minutes of your time reading some comments on T_D, you can see quite clearly that a good amount of the users are 'Blue Lives Matter/Support Our Troops' type people who wouldn't post/comment anything of the sort. At least, the overlap is pretty heavy. No doubt there are a lot of Don't Tread On Me/Boog boys there too but they usually aren't stupid enough to post outright threats.

That entire website is fucking infested with ShareBlue/SPLC/ADL shills and it shows. Just take a glance at r/politics and tell me if you really think that all of those heavily upvoted threads are organic in origin and that they organically reach the top of the board due to 30K-40K upvotes with a whole bunch of 'awards' like Reddit gold or platinum. I can't wait to mine some delicious salt on that particular subreddit when Bernie inevitably gets ratfucked by the DNC again. The Bernie Bros will have a total fucking meltdown and probably be on suicide watch.

I mostly stick to my own niche subreddits because r/all and most of the communities there are total fucking cancer, but a lot of the communities I used to frequent have been banned or quarantined [basically on the way to a ban] and the list of places I can go to find enjoyable, interesting content gets shorter every week. I've been sifting through the sewage there for about four years now and I can say with confidence that the shilling/activities of AHS/CTH have ramped up exponentially since the end of 2019. Again, this increase definitely is not fucking organic. When I first started lurking there, most subreddits had a decidedly libertarian slant. Now you can get banned if you comment or post a notion to the right of Chairman Mao on many subreddits. They've started sending out warnings [or what I like to call 'wrongthink badges'] to people for upvoting 'unacceptable content' and these warnings tell people to be thoughtful of the content they interact with. Also if they can't seem to find anything 'objectionable' enough [by their standards even] to ban a subreddit, they'll just remove old moderators and install their own so that any discourse effectively dies off because the new tankie troon mod doesn't like it. Or they'll just ban all of the moderators of a subreddit and of course, unmoderated subreddits are considered 'derelict' and get shut down too.

These fucking speds legitimately do think that they're on some vigilante crusade against what they call 'hate speech' but in reality, they and people like them have done more for Trump's campaign than anyone else I can think of. Turns out that calling people bigots, racists, Nazis, fascists, transphobes, homophobes, Islamophobes, or whatever else because they have an opinion that doesn't fit into your Marxist world-view isn't a good way to get people to consider your opinions and ideas. Likewise, deplatforming people and decrying pretty much anything as hate-speech will not do much to win hearts and minds over to your side. These people are creating a lot of fucking ill-will toward them, and as a result, their ideologies. They shouldn't be surprised when the entire thing blows up in their face, but they will be, because as they're fond of reminding you: "Reality has a liberal bias." and: "We're on the right side of history! Oh wait, did I say HIStory? I meant HERstory!"

This nonsensical campaign of stupidity has created some strange bedfellows. Most recently TERFs have been finding common-ground with people you'd think they would despise, but they're also so fucking tired of the tranny astroturfing that they're finding themselves 'allied' with people that they vehemently disagree with on other issues. When I say tranny astroturfing, I'm not exaggerating. The main and largest Christian subreddit [r/Christianity] has a fucking troon mod for fuck's sake. It's funny when the leftist exceptionalism makes TERFs find common ground with MRAs, there's a pretty sizable 'gay community' that would like for the alphabet people to drop the 'T' at the end too.
 
I don't know what those AHS exceptional individuals think they're doing. The trolls will just make new subreddits again and again just to annoy them and waste their time.

They do. The same subs will inevitably be back again in the weeks that follow, under new guises, that’s all. I’m pretty sure that they just spend their time following around the same bunch of people. It’s all rather fruitless, really.
 
I haven't used reddit in years, but even back in the day, people said that AHS
was using burner accounts to get subs shut down.
 
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such bravery :semperfidelis:
 
They do. The same subs will inevitably be back again in the weeks that follow, under new guises, that’s all. I’m pretty sure that they just spend their time following around the same bunch of people. It’s all rather fruitless, really.
I think MDE was finally chased over to Voat after going through about a dozen alts.
 
They do. The same subs will inevitably be back again in the weeks that follow, under new guises, that’s all. I’m pretty sure that they just spend their time following around the same bunch of people. It’s all rather fruitless, really.
Thing though is that the timeframes of how long a 'Based' subreddit is on before it gets banned has been getting shorter and shorter though. For example, the original MDE sub lasted around a year and a half before it gotten taken down. Soon after derivatives (in terms of community) sprung up like r/ZoomerRight in 2019 but that sub approximately lasted for half a year or so before it gotten taken down. r/coomer lasted just only like five months.

I just wonder if the Based Reddit community are gonna try take the most safest optics they can or just go full-on /pol/lack to spite the jannies and keep on making subs and accounts.
 
Thing though is that the timeframes of how long a 'Based' subreddit is on before it gets banned has been getting shorter and shorter though. For example, the original MDE sub lasted around a year and a half before it gotten taken down. Soon after derivatives (in terms of community) sprung up like r/ZoomerRight in 2019 but that sub approximately lasted for half a year or so before it gotten taken down. r/coomer lasted just only like five months.

I just wonder if the Based Reddit community are gonna try take the most safest optics they can or just go full-on /pol/lack to spite the jannies and keep on making subs and accounts.

They’ll keep doing what they‘ve always done, because sanitising the output will satisfy neither party. As long as they don’t get too precious about sub-counts or how old the sub is, and just treat it as a game, they’ll be fine.
 
Reddit is the greatest hive of scum and villany on the net. Nazis or even commies would find that place too low.

I only ever check it for Raid Shadow legends tips, because that game is as
obscure as its overpriced.
 
Antibodies in the nation's blood, eh?
White blood cells that eliminate foreign bodies?
Guys, I unwittingly found their true nature: They are white supremacists and they want to make America healthy again by getting rid of all foreigners and creating an ethnostate.
The horseshoe theory is still true.

Nice metaphors are hard to make, harder to control, and always a bad idea when you try to define a clear objective.
 
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