How do you fight depression? - Let's help each other

[Yellow Rose Of Texas]

I've been thinking about this for a while,but isn't doom pilling kind of a depression as well?

 

[Nimbat Out Of Hell]

Used to be amphetamines, now I can't get them so it's SSRIs. They really do not work anywhere near as well and my brain is soup lol

 

[skykiii]

To go by posters in Deep Thoughts, the key to solving depression is to get married and have tons of kids.

You're a nine-year-old who just saw your dog get hit by a dump truck? Marriage and babies will fix everything.

The reason is Something Something Biological Imperative, which I'll be honest is one of those things I've always felt was coomers trying to codify their sex gratification into some sort of natural law, when clearly it doesn't fix anything and isn't at the root of every problem (that Ronald DeFeo guy was married and had children, after all).

.......

I will agree with past posters who say find something to work towards. I noticed when I did I was a lot less miserable.

I myself also sometimes just have seasonal moods, and when that happens its best to just bear it and find something to help weather the storm. Summer and coldest winter tend to be the worst for me.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

I've been thinking about this for a while,but isn't doom pilling kind of a depression as well?

It's a relief for those who strive to improve but fail to do so. To be told "yeah me too bro, it's so difficult. Feels like I'm going nowhere. I just wanna give up". They can go "yeah broooo for real! Wanna goon? " and they get that mental reward and satisfaction that they rather only expected by meeting their goal of improving.

Circlejerk dooming is 100% a grifting tactic. Once you find those 20k sub vlogger dudes who got a primarily female audience, 99% it's centered around dooming or being okay with subpar results.

To go by posters in Deep Thoughts, the key to solving depression is to get married and have tons of kids.

Once you stop caring about the ideal life, it's actually quite liberating. I should be dating, being skinny, make a lot of money and bag a babe for a wife. Why? Uh. It's expected I guess. What would I rather immediately describe as the ideal? Having a few friends I'd call just to talk, maybe a few events throughout the year to go to. Losing what little freedom I make use of to have kids? Hell no. If I had a wife who wanted them? Sure. But I don't.

The reason incels are endlessly seething is because they don't actually hate women to the point of giving up on them. If they truly did, they'd dress the bare minimum and stroke their days away instead of clinging to that tiny ember of hope about finding a wife. That's what doomerism is about: Giving up and giving in, doing the easy thing. Yet, it's oddly close to doing the same but in a positive way: I'm okay doing what I do and living how I do, because I'm not comparing my life to having a kids, house and car, none of which I truly want for myself.

I myself also sometimes just have seasonal moods

"Ah fuck, I gotta use the summer weather.. Go biking, swimming, exploring!". Yet what I truly appreciate is doing things inside when it's snowing. Reading on the balcony, swimming with snow outside the windows. Doing things in the "down time" of the year. Things happen around the year yet people don't expect them to during october, so anything that happens is 'practically cheating'. Ignoring that you could meet, date, and move in with a partner in the dark winter months and have her knocked up by summer.

 

[Pink Hotel On The Corner]

I found I was most depressed when I was in love with someone that wasn't reciprocated, I'm not saying go be an incel, I think you should be social, but I found working on hobbies or pursuits in anything you have ever wanted to learn. Who cares if you're bad at it. Doing some hobby does wonders. Jiu Jitsu is also really good or some martial art.

Good luck to you and I hope you beat your depression. Send me a DM if you need advice or want to chat.

 

[Mortan Shekelstorm]

For me Church life did most of the heavy lifting. Within a little over a year of attendance and Baptism The Church gave me purpose and meaning in my life, a healthy worldview and most importantly Hope. I also recommend looking into Thomas Szasz, particularly his concept of problems with living

 

[Otterly]

the key to solving depression is to get married and have tons of kids.

It doesn’t stop you feeling depressed, it just stops you killing yourself on a whim because you’d be ruining the lives of people you do actually love.

Has anybody here had good experiences with meds(fluoxetine, whatever)

No.
Each to their own, not medical advice, but I’ve tried most of them and they’re all just different flavours of chemical lobotomy. How can a drug make you happy or less sad? Drugs can give temporary altered states but none of that is real. Happiness or contentment cannot be externally imposed. SSRIs are evil drugs.

Depression is usually a sign something is wrong in your life/environment. Change and improve the obvious things - sleep, diet, exercise. Do not use booze or drugs, or unhealthy stimuli (porn, violence, gambling etc.)
And if you’re still depressed after that then maybe it’s not fixable, which is where the whole ‘just get up because the kids are needing breakfast’ thing comes in. Sometimes just routine to force you to function is enough. Nobody is owed happiness, and I don’t think most people are happy, or content, or whatever you define it as. Just getting up, getting dressed and making sure everyone else is alright will ensure you’re busy.
@Pink Hotel On The Corner the hardest lesson in life is that you cannot make anyone love you.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

Each to their own, not medical advice, but I’ve tried most of them and they’re all just different flavours of chemical lobotomy. How can a drug make you happy or less sad? Drugs can give temporary altered states but none of that is real. Happiness or contentment cannot be externally imposed. SSRIs are evil drugs.

I always find it interesting when people say this because you could slip SSRIs, SNRI, NDRIs, and any other RIs into my breakfast every day and I'd never notice a difference. Four decades of talk about them being a panacea on one side and gnashing of teeth over "happy pills" on the other side and they have less mood-altering effects than a cup of coffee.

I will agree with past posters who say find something to work towards. I noticed when I did I was a lot less miserable.

In principle, sure, but finding something sufficiently compelling to work toward is like 99% of the problem. That advice is basically the "draw the rest of the owl" meme.

 

[pork and beans]

No.
Each to their own, not medical advice, but I’ve tried most of them and they’re all just different flavours of chemical lobotomy. How can a drug make you happy or less sad? Drugs can give temporary altered states but none of that is real. Happiness or contentment cannot be externally imposed. SSRIs are evil drugs.

Depression is usually a sign something is wrong in your life/environment. Change and improve the obvious things - sleep, diet, exercise. Do not use booze or drugs, or unhealthy stimuli (porn, violence, gambling etc.)
And if you’re still depressed after that then maybe it’s not fixable, which is where the whole ‘just get up because the kids are needing breakfast’ thing comes in. Sometimes just routine to force you to function is enough.

I appreciate your answer. From my less experienced standpoint, I quite agree. When I was prescribed them (way before I wrote the original message) I was hesitant to try them because the therapist was really pushing them and I knew deep down that it was because of rocky family things going on. When I wrote that message I was quite disappointed because even though I had all my sleep, health and lifestyle going really well… I was still super depressed, and I didn’t know why. But I didn’t change my mind on meds and just continued on.
I don’t think I’m depressed anymore or have been for some time!

You don’t choose to be depressed, and even if you choose to work on it, you can’t force it to go away. It’s better to be depressed on a beautiful field than at home, but you’ll be depressed nonetheless.

But it can go away. I don’t know if I’ll get depression again in the future, but for anybody reading this take it as a sign to keep things going tbh as faggy as it sounds.

And yeah some of my friends that tried fluoxetine didn’t have the best experiences either. One of them told me she got really awful headaches and nausea.


On the topic of happiness, I guess it depends on how you define it, but I DO think you are owed it, at least you to yourself. You owe yourself a somewhat sense of inner peace and feeling content. Living in turmoil is horrible, and sometimes it can’t be helped, but it falls on you to do what you can to better it. You can’t demand others to save you, but depression makes you isolate, so honestly sometimes you do have to rely on support from loved ones until you can stand up again on your own. For me, just confiding in my friends and being more open made all the difference.

I agree that there are people mad with the world because of their unhappiness, and that only exacerbates it even further. You gotta make peace with what you have. Sometimes you get dealt shitty cards and wanna kill yourself. Big deal….! Just don’t do it. Do laundry idk. No issue getting mad at the fact.

 

[Otterly]

always find it interesting when people say this because you could slip SSRIs, SNRI, NDRIs, and any other RIs into my breakfast every day and I'd never notice a difference. Four decades of talk about them being a panacea on one side and gnashing of teeth over "happy pills" on the other side and they have less mood-altering effects than a cup of coffee.

I’ve seen a lot of raw data on depression drugs, and done some work on the placebo effect in trials for them. They seem to work really well for about 20% of patients with genuine depression. Whether that’s return to the mean or not I dont know because trials are never designed to pick that out (most antidepressant trials last just a few months of active treatment.) for most of the rest, they do nothing, and for many, they have intolerable side effects.
But they are cheap, and can be thrown at patients with impunity. Most will return to mean baseline function in time anyway and you do t have to do anything like speak to them, or god forbid, improve their slave like misery in any way. Line must go up, and so the cattle must be made docile.
One thing SSRIs DO do is reduce the threshold of inhibition for action. Now that’s great if the action you’re struggling with is taking a shower, but if you’re prone to violence, you’re more likely to kill yourself, or others. They make you dumb and suggestible,
@pork and beans glad you feel better. Most depression from external events will ease over time.

 

[Audit]

I’ve seen a lot of raw data on depression drugs, and done some work on the placebo effect in trials for them. They seem to work really well for about 20% of patients with genuine depression. Whether that’s return to the mean or not I dont know because trials are never designed to pick that out (most antidepressant trials last just a few months of active treatment.) for most of the rest, they do nothing, and for many, they have intolerable side effects.
But they are cheap, and can be thrown at patients with impunity. Most will return to mean baseline function in time anyway and you do t have to do anything like speak to them, or god forbid, improve their slave like misery in any way. Line must go up, and so the cattle must be made docile.
One thing SSRIs DO do is reduce the threshold of inhibition for action. Now that’s great if the action you’re struggling with is taking a shower, but if you’re prone to violence, you’re more likely to kill yourself, or others. They make you dumb and suggestible,
@pork and beans glad you feel better. Most depression from external events will ease over time.

What do you think about therapy as a solution to depression? It seems to be that almost everyone under the age of 40 is either in therapy or insists that therapy should be part and parcel of life. Is it a useful tool to work through challenges in life or just a place to be a whiny bitch complaining to a paid listener?

 

[Otterly]

What do you think about therapy as a solution to depression? It seems to be that almost everyone under the age of 40 is either in therapy or insists that therapy should be part and parcel of life. Is it a useful tool to work through challenges in life or just a place to be a whiny bitch complaining to a paid listener?

‘Therapy’ is such a broad term as to be almost meaningless. How good it is depends on why you’re doing it, what your attitude going Into it is, and who you’re speaking to.
Talking to someone can be very helpful. All therapy should be time limited - if there’s no end goal it’s not useful. If you’re working through a challenge, bouncing an idea off someone, or just ‘I need to vent, and I will listen to your opinion’ then it’s useful. Exposure therapy, DBT for BPD is useful but they have to want to change.
The kind of long term ass pat stuff is worse than useless, it feeds victim hood and excuses poor behaviour. You see a lot of the cows on here talk about their therapy and it’s obvious some fellow cluster b is just excusing their awful behaviour

 

[User names must be unique]

on one side and gnashing of teeth over "happy pills" on the other side and they have less mood-altering effects than a cup of coffee.

dunno about that, mirtazapine made me violently and psychotically angry. I'd wager a good amount of "karens" you see on youtube are on that shit.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

dunno about that, mirtazapine made me violently and psychotically angry. I'd wager a good amount of "karens" you see on youtube are on that shit.

Interesting. I take an epilepsy drug that makes some people irrationally angry to the point where they'd rather have uncontrolled seizures than take the drug. Meanwhile, I don't notice anything at all - maybe I'm just not sensitive to such things.

 

[Marketable Bootleg]

Used to be amphetamines, now I can't get them so it's SSRIs. They really do not work anywhere near as well and my brain is soup lol

These are two different classes of medication with completely different functions although I can understand the "better than nothing" mentality though. Assuming you have Adhd and that's why you were talking amphetamine, you won't solve the issue with just SSRI's. If you find yourself to be on the more impulsive side or perhaps have a mood disorder or otherwise have an issue with emotional regulation, an SSRI can act as a substantial building block for your Soup Brain. They can help clear up a bit of the fuzz but mostly in the background. They're not good for executive function because that's not their job.

 

[Nimbat Out Of Hell]

These are two different classes of medication with completely different functions although I can understand the "better than nothing" mentality though. Assuming you have Adhd and that's why you were talking amphetamine, you won't solve the issue with just SSRI's. If you find yourself to be on the more impulsive side or perhaps have a mood disorder or otherwise have an issue with emotional regulation, an SSRI can act as a substantial building block for your Soup Brain. They can help clear up a bit of the fuzz but mostly in the background. They're not good for executive function because that's not their job.

They're very much for different things, yeah. I'm on the very inattentive side of things. Not "zoomer scrolls tik tok all day" kind of inattentive where you have no attention span, but very forgetful, hard to retain knowledge, so on. Ritalin helped with that extraordinarily, but also made me kind of a short fuse dick, and slower release stuff had basically zero effect on me even on max dose. SSRIs were because I have a really unstable mood. Or had. It helped clamp it to not swing from 1 to 9 all the time, but now it's kinda like I'm stuck on a low humming 4 out of 10, at all times, and if I ever stop taking them the withdrawals are nasty. I wasn't bipolar or manic, but I did get into very dark places. Now, it's just a constant soup brain. I genuinely don't know if that's better, it doesn't really feel like it, because at least I could get things done before.

 

[Apustajan apustaja]

Swedish Snus also generally comes in pouches,

I just got some Gothenburg Rapé (lol) that that now comes in a strong variant! 6/5.
Generally with snus you should start with a white pouch-type, and if you like it you can go further to a wet pouch and then loose.
But even with a white puoch you can press it a bit before putting it in.
The regular Rapé white pouch is a good starting choise if you are not used to nicotine.
Pipes are also fun sometimes, but I switched from cigarrettes to snus&pipes&cigars and I'm not looking back. Nothing like a pipe once in a while.
Zyn and nicotine pouches are way worse than real tobacco snus because the real leaf lets just enough nicotine through slower.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

I found I was most depressed when I was in love with someone that wasn't reciprocated, I'm not saying go be an incel, I think you should be social, but I found working on hobbies or pursuits in anything you have ever wanted to learn. Who cares if you're bad at it. Doing some hobby does wonders. Jiu Jitsu is also really good or some martial art.

I don't go to work to find love, yet I dress up more than I should. The other day it dawned on me "dog, you're not getting fired for looking sleezy. Women literally show up with greasy hair and wearing tank tops cause it's hot as hell". I think incels are mad exactly because they don't just write women off. If you truly hate women and never feel a need to dress up for anyone else but yourself, you'll both be more confident and happy.

The hobby thing is lost on a lot of people. I've known skinhead 420 skater types who randomly got into charcoal painting or literal architectural art. Why? They enjoy it. Just do shit you like, and try to explore as many possibilities as you can. I've known tens of friends who wanted to be an artist; not to do art, but to be an artist and obviously they lost interest quickly while the ones who simply enjoyed drawing to the point of feeling compelled to it got really good (and hated wanting to draw, ironically). A coworker agreed to try salsa dancing once and a week later he did dancing AND choir, and had 2 dance partner dates every week on top of it. From trying out one thing.

Pipes are also fun sometimes, but I switched from cigarrettes to snus&pipes&cigars and I'm not looking back. Nothing like a pipe once in a while.

When I was in high school we'd have dudes dressing like their dads smoking pipes. It was a funny take on a normal addiction. Now, kids do pouches, something we've literally never done in a larger way, to the point their gums are ruined and their canines are showing. Worse than nicotine teeth at 60, you've ruined your teeth in prime dicksucking age. I just got an ad for a pouch replacement without nicotine and added minerals and shit.. Jesus christ, just quit? However depraved a life my generation may life, we've ruined it 2-4 decades after zoomers ruin theirs.

 

[Pink Hotel On The Corner]

A coworker agreed to try salsa dancing once and a week later he did dancing AND choir, and had 2 dance partner dates every week on top of it. From trying out one thing.

I took piano lessons at the age of 32, at some piano teachers house while high school children and younger were waiting out in the dining room wondering why an "adult" was taking lessons.

But, I loved it, I learned a skill that expresses who you are and it's cool to impress people. It also took my mind off my personal life for an hour.

 

[Perfectly Innocent]

I've been thinking about this for a while,but isn't doom pilling kind of a depression as well?

If it simply creates a cover story for why one feels like shit, then yes. In that form it’s also the anthesis of pursuing enlightened self interests (thought to be necessary towards fulfilling one’s own needs) because if nothing matters, then what is the point in affecting any kind of change?

I would encourage anyone genuinely feeling that way to consult Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs to see if there’s anything obvious going wrong,