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[Getmeout]

Posting in the morning is not going well for me today.

Crazy that the government can just... Take a dude's land. For fun.

 

[demicolon]

Absolutely not, purely cause my brother never shuts up about it so now I'm sick of it. colosseum that, colosseum this, it's ALWAYS THAT FUCKING COLOSSEUM. "Hey did you know they'd flood the colosseum for boat fights?" "Hey did you know how many lions died in the colosseum?" "Hey did you know people committed incest to get into the colosseum"

Hey did you know it was called "the Flavian Amphitheatre" because it was started by the founder of the Flavian dynasty Vespasian, and construction took so much time it was done by the time his son Titus was emperor?

 

[Getmeout]

Hey did you know it was called "the Flavian Amphitheatre" because it was started by the founder of the Flavian dynasty Vespasian, and construction took so much time it was done by the time his son Titus was emperor?

I HATE YOU AND I HOPE YOU BURN ALIVE

 

[seal]

Hey did you know they'd flood the colosseum for boat fights

Hey did you know they built an underground complex beneath the colosseum?

 

[demicolon]

I HATE YOU AND I HOPE YOU BURN ALIVE

You wish me warmth for the rest of my life? Aw, thank you, that's nice.

 

[AnOminous]

Re: psych wards. I have thankfully never been in one but a family member has, more than once and they were terrifying places. The holds, IMO, did more harm than good.

My one experience with a psych ward was highly positive. Of course I had an absolute Cadillac health care plan at the time, so it was more like a resort than a ward. Everyone there other than the genuine schizo ranting about aliens all the time was some kind of professional. I've had actual workplaces with more genuinely crazy people. Even the alien ranter was pretty amiable.

The psychiatrists were, as psychiatrists are, absolutely useless idiots, but nobody expected more of them. The nursing staff was great. The one remotely stressful thing was just picking your meal from a checkbox thing, and they gave you this weird bendy gummy pencil presumably to keep you from stabbing yourself with it. It was difficult to use as a pencil.

I solved multiple jigsaw puzzles and checked off a dozen or so of my "to-read" list books while refusing to take calls from anyone in the outside world (mostly the absolute scumbags who fucked my shit up to the point I was in there although it was mostly my own doing). Did me a world of good.

Would have cost something in the six figures range if I'd had to pay for it though.

Most of them (from the experience of others related to me) are absolute snake pits though.

You think it's inevitable and good and works and don't talk about any actual hard evidence to the contrary.

Whatever L. Ron.

That was my point, if Petite ever gets to a point where her only options are willing inpatient and unwilling, first she should choose willing inpatient cause that's a lot less of a hassle and you're going either way.

Pretty much that. It's either going to be "voluntary" or if you contest it, you could be found to be a loony toons nutcase and lose your right to guns and other shit.

Getmeout, you need help. You are going to turn into a lolcow in front of everyone here if you don't get an actual therapist to peel away the institutional bullshit, your mom's bullshit, and help you create a real sense of self and find a real community.

Calm down, obsesso. You're the one cowing out here.

Honestly you nailed it with this post. It's difficult to criticize psychiatry or therapy because the default assumption is that if you do you are insane and mentally ill.

Not really. I've benefited from it but from a scientific perspective, it's only slightly better than voodoo.

It is entirely reasonable to be skeptical of any claims from psychiatrists.

 

[beautiful person]

Crazy that the government can just... Take a dude's land. For fun.

It didn't help that the site ate the effort-post I had written up for the Fantano thread. Idk, I'm just irritable this week. I think it's my hormones being fucky on me again for no damn good reason.

 

[Getmeout]

Hey did you know they built an underground complex beneath the colosseum?

0:11

 

[Otterly]

I've benefited from it but from a scientific perspective, it's only slightly better than voodoo.

What benefits anyone who isn’t floridly psychotic is simply peace and quiet and care.
You’d have done as well taking the six figures and going to one of those alpine medical spas where nice people in white coats really listen to you and you get to chill by a nice lake and eat nice food while they pump you full of vitamins and sunshine and give you massages. About 30k for ten days (I know someone who works in one) so you could have close to a month there.
I know the pencils you mean. Can’t stab anyone with them, but can’t really write with them either.
The nhs is about as far from this chill experience as it’s possible to get in the west. The one my family member in was frightening. It really shook me, because there but for the grace of God go I, but having seen directly what happens to anyone deemed crazy in the uk, I am VERY careful what I divulge to health professionals and very careful to merely dance around the pit, and not actually fall in.

 

[Sneed's Feed n Seed]

Oh boo fucking hoo. Wrong, but take it somewhere else. Like to one of the 50 million other threads where that is tortured into becoming the de facto topic.

Wow I got an a log finally.

My one experience with a psych ward was highly positive. Of course I had an absolute Cadillac health care plan at the time, so it was more like a resort than a ward.

You had a Cadillac plan. It was a resort. That's not the ward Getmeout is telling Petite to choose. That's not what Otterly's family member went to. That's not what "absolute snake pits" (your words, later in the same post) look like. The discussion was about the modal ward. You described the outlier and used it to vouch for the category, but also...

The psychiatrists were, as psychiatrists are, absolutely useless idiots

I've benefited from it but from a scientific perspective, it's only slightly better than voodoo. It is entirely reasonable to be skeptical of any claims from psychiatrists.

...claim the psychiatrists are useless idiots, the science is voodoo, and skepticism is reasonable. That's my position! But then...

Whatever L. Ron.

...you call me L. Ron for saying what you just said. I cited the psychiatrists' own published mortality data. You said the psychiatrists are voodoo idiots. We're making the same argument. The difference is I sourced mine and "care too much" on a forum where people show receipts about fuckups hurting themselves and others. You agreed with my conclusion while attacking me for having it.

I solved multiple jigsaw puzzles and checked off a dozen or so of my "to-read" list books while refusing to take calls from anyone in the outside world... Did me a world of good.

What part of that was psychiatric treatment? You isolated from the people stressing you and read books in a quiet room with a bendy pencil. That's a monastery with a shitty cafeteria. That's a sabbatical. You don't need a ward, a six-figure bill, or the useless idiot psychiatrists you described to accomplish that. The thing that helped you wasn't psychiatry - by your own account, the psychiatrists did nothing. It was containment with amenities, run by nursing staff. Strip the clinical pretense and what you described is exactly what Soteria-model facilities provide for a fraction of the cost without the discharge coercion downstream.

Pretty much that. It's either going to be "voluntary" or if you contest it, you could be found to be a loony toons nutcase and lose your right to guns and other shit.

You just stated the informed consent problem I've been making the entire thread. Once committed, downstream consequences hit 2A rights, professional licensing, custody, security clearances. "Voluntary" is the coerced choice between signing or losing-the-rights-anyway. This is exactly why "just go willingly, you can bounce back" is malpractice as advice. You named the mechanism and dismissed the person describing it in the same post.

Calm down, obsesso. You're the one cowing out here.

You posted a multi-paragraph reply. How much caring is too much caring, exactly? The "obsesso" framing is the same move Getmeout pulled, reclassify the person citing data as the one with a problem.

Or, more bluntly, you're defending your sentiment toward the experience while agreeing with me that the people running it are bad. What the fuck?

Would have cost something in the six figures range if I'd had to pay for it though.

Most of them (from the experience of others related to me) are absolute snake pits though.

The whole argument is in two sentences of your own post. Six figures for the version that "worked" by minimizing harm. Snake pits for the version most people get. You can't generalize your experience. You didn't! You said so. Then you used it as a counter to people pointing out the snake pits.

It is entirely reasonable to be skeptical of any claims from psychiatrists.

Then what are you arguing with me about?. You're agreeing with me while calling me L. Ron. You also ignored the whole "therapy and you go home" (PHP, IOP, etc) thing for some reason. Which actually works.

So, what side are you on? If someone cites the Cass Review talking about trannies that's okay, but if I cite psychiatry saying it's bad (which you agree with) that's wrong, why?

What benefits anyone who isn’t floridly psychotic is simply peace and quiet and care.
You’d have done as well taking the six figures and going to one of those alpine medical spas where nice people in white coats really listen to you and you get to chill by a nice lake and eat nice food while they pump you full of vitamins and sunshine and give you massages. About 30k for ten days (I know someone who works in one) so you could have close to a month there.
I know the pencils you mean. Can’t stab anyone with them, but can’t really write with them either.
The nhs is about as far from this chill experience as it’s possible to get in the west. The one my family member in was frightening. It really shook me, because there but for the grace of God go I, but having seen directly what happens to anyone deemed crazy in the uk, I am VERY careful what I divulge to health professionals and very careful to merely dance around the pit, and not actually fall in.

Did you have a chance to read how PHP/IOP cost a lot less, actually work, don't harm, don't require you to be committed or bullied into consenting, don't have to be away from home, and that in-community works far better? If It got lost in the scroll I'll happily repost or DM you.

Medicine has already studied it. The thing that should be leaping out to you is how research that says something is bad tends to just end up in file drawers instead of being published. The best we'll get is "alternatives are better" not "this is bad". Except for what was published that everyone ignores, because reasons.

 

[sodaboard]

i'm getting shafted at work and i lost $300 in the stock market today when i could've been up $250 if i wasn't a greedy fuck

 

[Unnecessary Surgery Land]

Just about to go in for my big Autism assessment, been waiting 3 years for it.
Crapping myself because what if it turns out that I'm just a nob?

Hope you test positive, bro