Law House Democrats Pass Bill Codifying Roe v. Wade - "The same bill has been passed by the House once before and failed in the Senate" "With the bill’s passage through the House it will now go to the Senate for consideration, where it is likely to fail."

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On July 15, Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to advance a bill that would codify the Supreme Court’s (SCOTUS) 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade into law, sending it to the Senate where it is likely to fail.

The bill, dubbed the Women’s Health Protection Act (WHPA), passed the House in a 219–210 vote. Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), the only pro-life Democrat in the lower chamber, alone defected from his party in opposition to the bill.

In a floor speech defending the bill, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said: “As extreme Republicans continue their assault on reproductive rights, our Ensuring Women’s Right to Reproductive Freedom Act will ensure that the fundamental right to travel and obtain needed health care remains in the hands of the American people. And our Women’s Health Protection Act will once again make the protections of Roe v. Wade the law of the land.”

However, despite marketing the bill as a codification of Roe v. Wade, this bill goes further.

In the standard set out by Roe, states were prohibited from restricting abortion before the so-called “viability line”—an arbitrary line defining the point at which a baby can survive independently outside of his mother’s womb, and which even top biologists in favor of abortion contest the definition of.

But the WHPA has faced criticism in the past for going beyond codifying the standard set out in Roe v. Wade.
The bill, said House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) in a speech opposing the bill on the House floor, “goes way further than Roe under the guise of codifying Roe to push some of the most extreme … pro-abortion legislation that we’ve seen.”

Under Democrats’ WHPA, Scalise noted, the U.S. would join the thin ranks of countries like China and North Korea who share a “radical, abortion on demand up until birth policy.”

With the bill’s passage through the House it will now go to the Senate for consideration, where it is likely to fail.
Like almost all legislation, the WHPA will first need to receive the support of 60 senators to overcome the filibuster threshold and come to the floor for a simple-majority vote. However, this is highly unlikely.

In March, when Democrats brought the bill to the Senate floor for the first time, it was filibustered and shot down by a bipartisan vote of 46–48. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W. Va.), who had expressed reservations to the bill, joined Republicans in striking it down.

The revised WHPA, Manchin said at the time, goes well beyond the bounds of Roe v. Wade.

“We’re gonna be voting on a piece of legislation which I will not vote for today,” Manchin told reporters.

“I would vote for a Roe v. Wade codification if it was today, I was hopeful for that,” Manchin explained. “But I found out yesterday in caucus that wasn’t gonna be.”

Manchin is one of only two Democrats in the Senate who have expressed some pro-life sentiments. The other, Sen. Bob Casey (D-Pa.), ultimately ended up voting in favor of the bill.

Moderate Republicans too expressed opposition to the bill at the time.

In a floor speech on the bill in March, swing-voting Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) said that while she supports allowing some abortions, the WHPA “goes too far.”

“It would broadly supersede state laws and infringe on Americans’ religious freedoms,” Murkowski said.

Thus, the bill seems unlikely to win the support it will need to pass through the Senate, as Republicans have remained staunchly opposed to the legislation.

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In a floor speech on the bill in March, swing-voting Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) said that while she supports allowing some abortions, the WHPA “goes too far.”

“It would broadly supersede state laws and infringe on Americans’ religious freedoms,” Murkowski said.
That sure as hell doesn't sound like a 'no' from the RINOs. That sounds a lot like 'let's make a deal.'
 
The insane thing about this is the republicans are signalling that if it was just roe codified they would give them the votes they needed to pass it. The democrats would get a massive victory and the republicans would be crippled in the midterms and even into 2024.
Nah
Dems know this wouldn't pass the senate. That's the only reason they all voted for it.
It's Manchin who said he would have voted yes if it was just Roe v. Wade, but he knows fully well that if it was just Roe v. Wade it wouldn't pass through the house.
This is all showmanship.
If the goal was actually to codify Roe v. Wade they would bring forth a law similar to Roe v. Wade or perhaps Roe v. Wade lite, but they didn't, they pulled the absurd solution because now they get to appeal to their base while not alienating moderates.
 
Things are just spinning out of control

The Rhetoric is getting more and more extreme. We literally, not figuratively, have politicians callings for the right to murder your child as long as it still on the womb. 3 days before your due? Fuck it! Break out that blender! It's a woman's right to murder her baby if she wants too!

I know that a lot of the pols saying such crazy things don't actually believe in them but they feel the pressure to grab those headlines, say the craziest shit and then blame the GoP for taking away freedoms and rights.

I'm telling you, if things keep ramping up like they have been for the last 3 years...I honestly don't see how a civil war can be avoided. Between the reckless medal baiting for clicks, social media spiralling into ever smaller, ever more extreme circles and the sub-human politicians fanning what ever flames they can to grab attention and power leaves me down right cold inside when I think about next year. Or hell even 4 months.

None of these types are giving a single thought to the long term consequences of what they are saying and what laws they are pushing and this, this here, will be the seed of the next war.


A sane society would sit down and try to figure out some manner of compromising between no abortions and anytime abortions. Define legally and medically at what point a fetus becomes a human and thus gains the protection of rights. Maybe hold a plebiscite and let people vote on it. You know, instead of screaming at one and other and demanding your views only. No compromises! All or Nothing!

Yah...society is fucked in the next 5 years. Thank god I'm old and rich so I can just sit back and watch everything burn down around me just before I kick the bucket.
 
If the goal was actually to codify Roe v. Wade they would bring forth a law similar to Roe v. Wade or perhaps Roe v. Wade lite, but they didn't, they pulled the absurd solution because now they get to appeal to their base while not alienating moderates.

"Keep electing us or the Republicans might take your abortions!" just became "Keep electing us so we can someday give you back your abortions!" with nothing else changing, didn't it?

The same dysfunction that kept them from codifying it for 50 years not only is still around, but, arguably worse because anyone not supporting abortion up to and including 15 minutes after birth is looked upon with suspicion as not being pro-choice ENOUGH.....
 
A sane society would sit down and try to figure out some manner of compromising between no abortions and anytime abortions. Define legally and medically at what point a fetus becomes a human and thus gains the protection of rights. Maybe hold a plebiscite and let people vote on it. You know, instead of screaming at one and other and demanding your views only. No compromises! All or Nothing!

When the Halloween episode of the Simpsons does better...


Although to be fair. It's a hard question to "compromise" on at a certain level. If you honestly believe all abortion is murder, which is an argument I can understand even if I'm not sure I agree, but if you honestly believe that, I can see how it's hard to compromise with "some murder".
 
there should really be a cool down for passing laws. so they cant just keep continuously busting through bills as soon as they fail.
hold up, how come republicans aren't doing this continuously with laws to repeal the NFA or Interestate Commer Act. or other bills.
They had the momentum, the votes, both chambers of Congress, and the presidency in 2017 to pass the hearing protection act and simply never brought it to a vote after the Las Vegas shooting, so this cucking is not without precedent.
 
Although to be fair. It's a hard question to "compromise" on at a certain level. If you honestly believe all abortion is murder, which is an argument I can understand even if I'm not sure I agree, but if you honestly believe that, I can see how it's hard to compromise with "some murder".
technically not all abortion is murder. all abortions are homicide just like a self defense killing is still homicide.
so health of the mother abortions is technically some form of self defense homicide and is therefore justified.
non viable pregancy abortions could be mercy killings. like those super deformed babies.
but mercy killings are rarely allowed.
 
technically not all abortion is murder. all abortions are homicide just like a self defense killing is still homicide.
so health of the mother abortions is technically some form of self defense homicide and is therefore justified.
non viable pregancy abortions could be mercy killings. like those super deformed babies.
but mercy killings are rarely allowed.

And that's why usually outside of cases where Cletus and Jimbob or Hassan and Mohammad are running things, we can agree at least on life-of-the-mother.

It's every point past that where it gets complicated.
 
Of course it pushes too far and everyone in the house knows that it will not pass. It is not meant to pass.
They don't want it to pass. They want to be seen as trying to get it to pass but they actually don't want it to.

It is the same reason as why they have been having abortion rights as part of their platform in every election in the last 50 years.
But as soon as they are elected they "forget" about it, or like Obama himself said "it is not a big priority right now".
IF they actually codified this into law then they would never be able to use abortion rights as a rallying cry in any future election.

Same here, if they actually wanted to codify it they should have started with something like 15 weeks. Like most of europe and the the developed world.
That would probably pass without any major issues. But they don't want it to pass. They just want to be seen as fighting for womens rights, now and in the future, forever.
 
Of course it pushes too far and everyone in the house knows that it will not pass. It is not meant to pass.
They don't want it to pass. They want to be seen as trying to get it to pass but they actually don't want it to.

It is the same reason as why they have been having abortion rights as part of their platform in every election in the last 50 years.
But as soon as they are elected they "forget" about it, or like Obama himself said "it is not a big priority right now".
IF they actually codified this into law then they would never be able to use abortion rights as a rallying cry in any future election.

Same here, if they actually wanted to codify it they should have started with something like 15 weeks. Like most of europe and the the developed world.
That would probably pass without any major issues. But they don't want it to pass. They just want to be seen as fighting for womens rights, now and in the future, forever.
In the end, in order to chase votes they are fighting for a cause whose goal will intentionally be left unfulfilled. Its as if they want to be progressive, without the "progress".
 
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