Law House Democrats Pass Bill Codifying Roe v. Wade - "The same bill has been passed by the House once before and failed in the Senate" "With the bill’s passage through the House it will now go to the Senate for consideration, where it is likely to fail."

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On July 15, Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to advance a bill that would codify the Supreme Court’s (SCOTUS) 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade into law, sending it to the Senate where it is likely to fail.

The bill, dubbed the Women’s Health Protection Act (WHPA), passed the House in a 219–210 vote. Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), the only pro-life Democrat in the lower chamber, alone defected from his party in opposition to the bill.

In a floor speech defending the bill, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said: “As extreme Republicans continue their assault on reproductive rights, our Ensuring Women’s Right to Reproductive Freedom Act will ensure that the fundamental right to travel and obtain needed health care remains in the hands of the American people. And our Women’s Health Protection Act will once again make the protections of Roe v. Wade the law of the land.”

However, despite marketing the bill as a codification of Roe v. Wade, this bill goes further.

In the standard set out by Roe, states were prohibited from restricting abortion before the so-called “viability line”—an arbitrary line defining the point at which a baby can survive independently outside of his mother’s womb, and which even top biologists in favor of abortion contest the definition of.

But the WHPA has faced criticism in the past for going beyond codifying the standard set out in Roe v. Wade.
The bill, said House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) in a speech opposing the bill on the House floor, “goes way further than Roe under the guise of codifying Roe to push some of the most extreme … pro-abortion legislation that we’ve seen.”

Under Democrats’ WHPA, Scalise noted, the U.S. would join the thin ranks of countries like China and North Korea who share a “radical, abortion on demand up until birth policy.”

With the bill’s passage through the House it will now go to the Senate for consideration, where it is likely to fail.
Like almost all legislation, the WHPA will first need to receive the support of 60 senators to overcome the filibuster threshold and come to the floor for a simple-majority vote. However, this is highly unlikely.

In March, when Democrats brought the bill to the Senate floor for the first time, it was filibustered and shot down by a bipartisan vote of 46–48. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W. Va.), who had expressed reservations to the bill, joined Republicans in striking it down.

The revised WHPA, Manchin said at the time, goes well beyond the bounds of Roe v. Wade.

“We’re gonna be voting on a piece of legislation which I will not vote for today,” Manchin told reporters.

“I would vote for a Roe v. Wade codification if it was today, I was hopeful for that,” Manchin explained. “But I found out yesterday in caucus that wasn’t gonna be.”

Manchin is one of only two Democrats in the Senate who have expressed some pro-life sentiments. The other, Sen. Bob Casey (D-Pa.), ultimately ended up voting in favor of the bill.

Moderate Republicans too expressed opposition to the bill at the time.

In a floor speech on the bill in March, swing-voting Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) said that while she supports allowing some abortions, the WHPA “goes too far.”

“It would broadly supersede state laws and infringe on Americans’ religious freedoms,” Murkowski said.

Thus, the bill seems unlikely to win the support it will need to pass through the Senate, as Republicans have remained staunchly opposed to the legislation.

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Well, it's always better to be dramatic and get nothing than it is to be reasonable and get something. Although, to be fair, no one behind this bill gives a shit what's in it, it's just a chance to make the puppets dance. Which they can never not do.
 
Question, even if the bill is passed doesn't it go to the Supreme Court again and get struck down for the same reasons in Dobbs?
Different reasons, but likely, yeah. 10th amendemnt, IIRC, didn't play much role in Dobbs, buf it would play a big role in there now
 
In the standard set out by Roe, states were prohibited from restricting abortion before the so-called “viability line”—an arbitrary line defining the point at which a baby can survive independently outside of his mother’s womb
An independent self sustaining life, an actual fucking baby not just a fetus, is "arbitrary"? Go back to hell you moloch worshipping devils.
 
An independent self sustaining life, an actual fucking baby not just a fetus, is "arbitrary"? Go back to hell you moloch worshipping devils.
Whoever has chosen violence as his method must inevitably choose lying as his principle.

Like this histrionic old bat:
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I want nothing to do with these fucks.
 
This is pure theater so the DNC and the MSM can say "SEE!?!? It's the GOP's fault! They are taking away your rights!!
I guess that would work on democrat women, but lol they've been taking my rights away for long enough that the best I can offer them, if I'm charitable, is an Everyone Sucks Here.

I know they think everyone who disagrees with them is stupid, but I'm not that much of a goldfish
 
An independent self sustaining life, an actual fucking baby not just a fetus, is "arbitrary"? Go back to hell you moloch worshipping devils.
The line was arbitrary because courts (appellate included) didn't agree or understod what it means, the justices that made Roe v Wade admitted they didn't either, and because constant advancement of medical technology could make baby survive earlier and earlier while the law stuck to the time in Roe v Wade.
 
WOMEN'S health protection act??!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE TRANSPHOBIC!!!!!!! THIS LAW DISCRIMINATES AGAINST NON WOMAN IDENTIFYING PERSON(S) CAPABLE OF GIVING BIRTH!!!!!!!
 
Me: Hmmm maybe the Dobbs decision could help the Democrats

democrats: /acting like retards trying to eat crayons in the corner

me: ahhh they’ve found a way to fumble a good chance again
 
Fucking twats. By conservative standards I'm pretty moderate on abortion. I don't like some of the extreme rhetoric my own side uses sometimes.

But fuck it. Democrats just really wanna be able to kill babies, don't they?
 
How many times can you introduce a bill on a particular issue? And within what time frame?
Theoretically unlimited, but considering elections are coming up I don't think anyone wants to be known as the schmuck who kept introducing failed abortion bills while gas soared to $10 a gallon.

The line was arbitrary because courts (appellate included) didn't agree or understod what it means, the justices that made Roe v Wade admitted they didn't either, and because constant advancement of medical technology could make baby survive earlier and earlier while the law stuck to the time in Roe v Wade.
That's still not arbitrary. It's a shifting and somewhat ambiguous (one baby might survive at a time another would die) line sure, but arbitrary means without reason. So either the journalist thinks there is no reasoning behind "the baby can survive therefore you can't abort it" or they're bastardizing english language once again. Both options piss me off.
 
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I'm not convinced they care. If the transhumanists, who are funding Democratic political campaigns, also want children to be able to choose to transition without parental consent (without approval of the mother in particular) it' no shock that the transhumanists would also want to define fetuses as sentiment human beings who can consent or not consent in their own right. Yes, I realize many social-media infamous mothers are pushing their kids to troon out, but I imagine the vast majority of women do NOT want their children engaging in this behavior. Mothers are the "first hurdle" to overcome when it comes to the transhumanist commercial juggernaut of transgenderism in children. They want to crush the power of mothers and motherhood. It has nothing to do with morality to transhumanists, it's about power and control. Note how many supposed "abortion providers" now spend most of their NGO funds on transgender treatments? They don't give a shit about unplanned pregnancy, termination of pregnancy is not their potential cash cow. If anything, they'd prefer a fetus to be extracted, KEPT ALIVE, and legally be allowed to experiment on.

They want to remove the "power" of reproduction from women, and to allow powerful men on the top of the hierarchy of STEM to control it. They want to harness and control human reproduction and control it themselves, eventually displacing women with artificial wombs. Having abortion remain illegal in many states only helps push their agenda-- by dangling the fear of unplanned pregnancy over women's heads, they can ensure that women will flock to purchase contraceptive devices from biomedical companies. Their goal, in my tin foil hat mind, is to introduce IUDs or implants to women in order to collect their biological data-- in order to replicate them for transhumanist reproductive experiments/breeding.

If they make women hysterically fearful enough, women will voluntarily give up their capacity to reproduce entirely-- which helps transhumanism promote the utopian ideal it envisions.

I'm critical of abortion, so don't take this as a pro-choice sperge. I'm just saying the whole pretense to be on the side of "women's choice to abort" is just smoke and mirrors. In the end, they don't care-- the Democrats' transhumanist campaign financiers are indifferent to this issue-- they just don't want the more religiously minded Republicans to win any elections, because they'd generally recoil at the thought of human experimentation, transgender treatments on children, eradication of non-tech-based sexual reproduction, etc..
 
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That's still not arbitrary. It's a shifting and somewhat ambiguous (one baby might survive at a time another would die) line sure, but arbitrary means without reason. So either the journalist thinks there is no reasoning behind "the baby can survive therefore you can't abort it" or they're bastardizing english language once again. Both options piss me off.
It was arbitrary, without any reason behind it, unreflective and restrictive towards advancement in technology (see, for example, Texas proving that Children are alive at 7 weeks, and Appellate and District courts blocking it and saying the babies aren't really alive because it's not the number Roe put in its decision), and understood by no one.

But it wasn't just the journo who described it as such, it was SCOTUS in Dobbs, most of courts in USA (although in much kinder language), Casey justices, etc. Read the Dobbs decision, it goes over why it was arbitrary, how the courts handled it, and more.
 
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