/horror/ general megathread - Let's talk about movies and shit.

[Internet War Criminal]

Don't Breathe 2 had an agreeably scuzzy 1990s direct-to-video B-movie energy to it.

Yeah that's actually the best way to describe it. It almost has a Cannon vibe to it. It feels grimy like a NYC subway station in 78.

 

[JohnDoe]

I am so glad I found this thread and can finally talk about FEAR STREET, fuck!

Is it even fair to call Fear Street a movie? I'm about halfway in right now, and holy shit.

It starts as a rip off of Scream, basically turns into a cliche high school movie for a while, segues into a rip off of Halloween 1 then Halloween 2, then they meet and it's literally a scene ripped-off from IT where a black kid exposes how 'every X number of year a killer comes and kills a bunch of kids' etc... also the lead is an annoying cunt. It rips off RL Stine, Goosebump, etc. etc.

Wtf. Why did so many people praise it? Does it get better? Are the sequels worth it?

They claimed that they were aiming to give the 90's slasher impression, and I see some of the cinematography and framing they do, but instead of being able to have the style and feel while being original, it does feel like they copied Wes Craven's homework. The 'creature/threat' returns theme is older than dirt, that has been a constant since storytelling, but it is VERY awkwardly done, I agree. The execution is weak as shit throughout with the writing and directing, done by the same person. (A hipster Millennial woman.)

Spoiler: When you don't need the Early Life section.....

This will explain so much further on.

Also Fear Street is a book series by R.L. Stine, he can't rip off of himself.

Fear Street 2 is better, as in 1st is a 2/10, that one is a 3/10, 3rd one is a 2/10 again.

Movies feel like they are made for Disney channel movies, just every now and then has a swear word or some gore that really doesn't gel with the tone of everything else. Also, the lead of the series is the most unlikeable bitch I've seen in a horror movie, she comes across as downright abusive to her ex, who legit did nothing wrong, yet the movie acts like she is a saint.

Fucking thank you, yes! The extremely aggressive, abusive, shrieking obnoxious BIPOC has literally negative charisma and she made Parts 1 and 3 absolutely painful to endure. She acts so entitled to young white pussy that I was startled she wasn't Muslim, honestly. In all her iterations she was willing to sacrifice others or just straight up kill people just so she could get some of that clam even if it would kill her 'girlfriend' after. As you note, the most infuriating aspect is that the script and story act as though she is perfect and sainted.

Yeah I genuinely can't stand that cunt. Even the lead in 2, back in 1978, was a stuck up cunt but at least she had somewhat of a good side. The overall lead is just a fucking monster.

It's actually much much worse in Fear Street, 1 is an absolute rip-off of the movies I mentioned earlier, 3/4 into Fear Street 2 and it's basically a Friday the 13th straight up rip-off, the lack of originality in those movies is breathtaking. It's basically Friday the 13th if you replaced the cast with teenagers from the Stranger Things universe. And I'm talking Stranger Things, like, Season 3

Part 2 was a breath of fresh air, even if it once again failed to doing something in the style of the era while being original. Yes, it was hopelessly derivative but at least we were free of Deena 'Gimme DAT CUNT' Johnson and her constant assholery. Having the focus on the pair of sisters, both of whom had decent actors, was a nice touch and the only thing that was notable. Otherwise it was a competent fast-food burger of a movie, completely to formula but satisfying enough while the grease is hot and just by being inoffensively mediocre it manages to be the best of the 'trilogy'.

Oh for fuck's sake. Fuck you Fear Street 3. OF FUCKING COURSE it couldn't be that the witch was evil and it would be about defeating her or whatever. Nope. The big plot twist is that ACAB RICH CIS WHITE MEN WERE BEHIND IT ALL LONG SMASH THE PATRIARCHY WE ANTIFA NOW and they framed the poor LGBTQ+ POCs and they all need to team up defeat the white menace.

I'm so fucking sick of that shit. Don't waste your time with any of that shit. The occasional good gore is not worth it. If you don't believe me, check out what I spoilered (even if you decide to watch it it won't spoil most of the story or who did what) and tell me you're not fucking groaning at it.

I'm not spoiling this, because fuck this movie. I felt the twist coming from a mile away from the way that they treated Sarah Fier as a super kewl uWu lesbo in the 17th fucking century like holy shit, why are you treating her softly when she's responsible for all this murder? The kicker is, that before the twist she literally says 'well if they're gonna kill me for debauching the preacher's daughter then I will go make a deal with the Devil and kill everyone, fuck them!' I don't really care that she didn't go through with it, because she was willing to do it and just couldn't pull it off. She was willing to kill all kinds of people just so she could COOM and that makes her super unsympathetic to me.

Thats just Sarah Fier in Part 3, but it goes through all three of them with Deena and others. In Part 1 she basically demands that Sam throw her life away so that Deena can have a one woman White harem while she sinks into alcoholism, which coming from a male would have a dozen articles about how the scene is a red flag parade. Or the black janitor guy in three, when asked by a random kid he met once if he wants to 'go kill the sheriff' is immediately down to clown, which seems to imply that all joggers are willing to murder on a whim. All the minority characters are just completely unreal and totally unlikable.

Which dovetails with my other frustration, that being that this dumb cunt can't write for shit, even to further her own propaganda. If she really wanted to make Sarah Fier sympathetic it would have been easy with the fewest script tweaks. For example, instead of having her say shit like 'I don't care if they hang you, white bitch, I want dat clam!' you could have her not pressure Samantha or whoever into having lesbo fuck time in the middle of a field, or at all. Or maybe instead of having her say 'time to team up with satan to murder!' you could have her go 'uWu my lesbian empathy makes me want to stop the curse so I will go investigate the satan book!' and you'd have the same pacing and scenes, essentially except she wouldn't be a huge bitch.

This all comes back to SJWs and (((elites))) being monsters of entitlement and sociopathic narcissism, totally incapable of considering empathy or anything other than power and domination. Deena is correct and entitled to whatever she wants because she is a proud brown lesbo, and anyone that keeps her from getting what she wants is fair game to get murdered and mutilated. If Sam consents or not is irrelevant, she doesn't get agency here, she's just a prize for Deena. Notice that there is zero moral difference between Deena and the 'villain' in this story, both of them are out to get what they want and they don't care who they hurt or kill to get it. In fact, you could argue that Nick Goode is less of a villain than Deena because his devil deal isn't completely selfish, as it gives prosperity to everyone in his town, not just him and his family.

Besides the obvious political bullshit, the twist is bad from a writing perspective. Nothing in the lead-up to it is supported by the prior narrative, so it literally comes out of nowhere with no build up. It throws all the story inertia into an immediate skid which ejects the viewer from the story, like so many a badly written attempt at 'subversion'. Besides making no sense in the meta-narrative sense, it also doesn't work inside its own universe. How are Sarah's bones magically empowered if she was never a witch? How is she able to 'curse' people to see things? Why would this curse be weakened by the loss of her hand, and stronger when they get reunited? How does the satan-thing know that someone has bled on the bones when Sarah never made a devil pact or was possessed or even murdered by a devil-killer? If it magically knows someone bled on the bones, how is it fooled by tricks with blood trails - especially when the satan-possession/killers can distinguish between the different townspeople? How does touching the big devil-blob activate the same 'seeing rapid visions' curse? Why does touching the devil-blob make Nick Goode see ghosts of all the people the blob killed? Who the fuck knows?!?!?!

None of this shit makes any fucking sense without Sarah Fier being an evil witch.

And again this dumb cunt can't write for shit, and I'll prove it be literally re-writing this shit in five minutes. So check this, you can keep or drop the lesbo angle, but Sarah Fier gets married off to Solomon Goode, who pressures her to join him in satanism and make a deal with the devil for prosperity for them or whatever. But the townspeople catch on so he throws her under the bus and lets her take all the blame, but she casts some kind of curse when she is hung to try and fuck him over later. There ya go, the evil white man is still evil and super taking advantage of women and is still the villain, right? And only when hand and body are brought together can Sarah use her gallow-made spell to overcome the 'kill anyone who learns of the OG deal' curse to tell the kids how to stop Ebil White Man, because hell hath no fury, right? Its rough, but I just came up with it in like three minutes.

Fuck this makes me so mad.

 

[BobsSpergers]

Don't Breathe 2 had an agreeably scuzzy 1990s direct-to-video B-movie energy to it.

Also, I watched Malignant. Malignant is trashy and slow and offensive and I say that positively. Sure it references giallo films and others, there are definite references to Sisters, Deep Red, etc. but it doesn't feel like the creators are sucking themselves off for being clever about making these. Malignant is a sincere production and not the work of some self-congratulating hipster A24 director going around giving press releases about how his horror movie only uses practical effects or is a "slow burn" or whatever.

Hugely agree, maybe I'm just a fucking pleb, but I hate A24 horror films and I greatly missed films like Malignant. It's exactly the kind of movie that I loved in high school, it was almost nostalgic. It was (and I hate using this word) campy but not in the way most modern horror comedies are, where they're practically shouting "We are being silly on purpose! We're being ironic!"

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Let's not be contrarians either, some of the A24 films are good to great:

Hole in the Ground
The Blackcoat's Daugther
It Comes At Night
Enemy
Green Room
Hereditary
Witch

The problem with them is that, especially with the last two I listed, they have become absolutely overhyped. Hereditary and Witch were good, don't get me wrong. I'd say Hereditary was probably great, in fact. The problem is now all of their movies are sold as THE. BEST. IN. HORROR. and SPOOKIEST SINCE THE EXORCIST and other retarded PR buzz phrases starting with Hereditary and they simply aren't. And just because you use old timey accents, retarded spelling and ~accurate period sets~ doesn't automatically make your movie great, VVitch.

Also Midsommar was pretentious and is derivative, pretentious shit with a terrible ending. That's why I'm worried of checking Saint Maud and find out it's the same kind of bullshit.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Also I watched Ghosts of War (2020) and it was.... also not bad? I was unsure about the movie, but in retrospect I understand that it's basically (do not read this if you intend to watch it it will absolutely spoil the movie) just an overstretched Inside No 9 or Black Mirror episode and then I enjoyed it for what it was. The gore was top notch, acting was decent, story was a bit muh until halfway through. Still worth a watch though I wouldn't go out of my way to seek it out. 3/5

 

[orguedechat]

Friday also has this, not sure if it will be horror however
https://youtube.com/watch?v=RDBIKpbOY9M

I saw Prisoners of the Ghostland a few weeks ago, I wouldn't call it horror. I don't know how I would define it beside calling it a Sion Sono movie. It feels like all his other movies, there's action, drama, comedy and some violence. If you like Sion Sono, you will probably love it. Cage and Sono are a really good match, both of their style really fit well together.
It's really good. I will watch it again when it is available.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I watched Escape Room 2 - Tournament of Champions and I had a fucking blast. Is it a great movie? No. It's a fun movie, otoh, though it could have done with more gore (still plenty, just not enough). It's clear they want to make this a franchise, and as long as they keep the rooms fresh enough and the kills very entertaining, I'm down with this being the next Saw franchise, just pump them out yearly with increasingly more ridiculous set pieces until we move on after number 7 or 8 or whatever. 4/5

 

[Aib Ld]

Funny Games

Funny Games was annoying to watch, since the movie keeps repeatdly smashing your head with a hammer going "lol you did this, you could had averted everything by not watching the movie, you cold-hearted killer". People praise it left and right because thinking its deep, but I would had liked it better if it wasn't so hamfisted, even going to so far where the twin killers stare at the screen, smirk, and scold you (yes, you as the audience) multiple times for watching. I just wanted to watch a movie, damn.

So Don't Breathe 2 was.... good? It definitely wasn't great, but it wasn't shit. I'm guessing there are tons of shitty puns about how it's better to go in blind, but yeah it's best if you don't know too much about the story, don't watch trailers, just watch it but also don't expect it to be the same thing as the first movie. This one is more thriller than horror I suppose. Still, really good gore, the movie is short enough it doesn't overstay its welcome, and at least the protagonists arent cunts like in the first one. 3/5

I always found it funny how the second movie's summary is to making the Blind Man a good guy despite raping a woman and attempted rape via turkey blaster on the protagonist on the first movie. I never got around on watching the second though, so I don't know how it fares.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I always found it funny how the second movie's summary is to making the Blind Man a good guy despite raping a woman and attempted rape via turkey blaster on the protagonist on the first movie. I never got around on watching the second though, so I don't know how it fares.

Funnily enough, (no real spoilers) all of this is addressed and I found it actually worked well imo, thanks to a certain plot device

You should definitely give it a try.

 

[Calandrino]

For those wondering "What streaming service has the best curation of horror films?" It is without question Tubi.

I search justwatch if I have something specific in mind, although it misses stuff like youtube. The situation changes pretty often; most of my Amazon Prime watchlist has been delisted. But now they have Garth Marhengi's Darkplace now, yay.

I feel like that could be a sub-genre to itself: slashers where the killer has no motive whatsoever.

I mean, both Jason and Michael Myers can't be said to really have motives, at the very least if you exclude the first two movies of both series.

Point taken, but this is not my first rodeo and the dude in Final Exam is so underdeveloped that his boringness is the most interesting thing about a boring movie because you can't even fathom what they were going for. It's like watching making-of footage where there's a random guy standing in for a CGI effect.

Jason clearly has a motive. He drowned in the lake

Gonna have to cut in right there and say even that part isn't clear. In eight movies they had like four lines explaining what Jason's deal is, then they did the slug thing, then FvJ took a swing but at that point it's basically retconning.

Let's not be contrarians either, some of the A24 films are good to great:

Hole in the Ground
The Blackcoat's Daugther
It Comes At Night
Enemy
Green Room
Hereditary
Witch

The problem with them is that, especially with the last two I listed, they have become absolutely overhyped. Hereditary and Witch were good, don't get me wrong. I'd say Hereditary was probably great, in fact. The problem is now all of their movies are sold as THE. BEST. IN. HORROR. and SPOOKIEST SINCE THE EXORCIST and other retarded PR buzz phrases starting with Hereditary and they simply aren't.

Well, even The Exorcist can't live up to THE EXORCIST. UUitch is the only of those I've seen, and this might be internet autist sperging, but I speculate that one got a boost because you can see it as feminist, a critique of cishetero xian patriarchy, etc. Probably the filmmakers meant it that way, although the movie does undermine its own point if so. By contrast, the Suspiria remake made critics short circuit because they couldn't figure out what, if anything, it was trying to say about political revolutions and fascism. It's a fine line they have to walk to keep in step with the other sheep. Onion AV did a retardedly insane write-up crying about A Quiet Place being problematic because guns + white people.

Not (quite) a horror movie but Ex Machina wouldn't have ended the way it did if it had been made ten or maybe even five years earlier. Funny thing is that even though it basically had the "right" political messaging and themes, it was still so upsetting that some critics downvoted it anyway.

Anybody actually watch Antebellum? I'm morbidly curious about woke slavery guilt porn so shit that even critics couldn't stand it.

 

[Rudol von Stroheim]

Just saw Malignant, it was like a modern version of Basket Case but with women.
For real though, I liked it. It was alright.
Also watched The Night House recently and that was an interesting film, I liked how stylish it was at times but it felt a little silly in parts.
Otherwise went to a 24 hour horror marathon recently and saw Nekromantik, The Stuff, Wizard of Gore and a few others for the first time. Fun films, Nekromantik was fucking gross but the soundtrack was awesome. Also hilarious listening to other people's reactions, especially during the suicide scene. Few other classics were played but I fell asleep through most of them cause I'm a pleb.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Favorite scene from prince of darkness

This is not a dream not a dream...

 

[Jason Wynn]

Found a doc on Tubi that caught my interest “50 Best Horror Movies You’ve Never Seen” P.J Soles (a 70s horror mainstay) hosts it. Sounds pretty cool.

Nope. It’s a bunch of vapid idiots too busy mugging for the camera and thinking classics like Basket Case, The Hills Have Eyes, When a Stranger Calls and Frankenheimer’s Prophecy are “leik so totes hidden gems guiz!” while occasionally throwing out a “muh soggy knees” or “toxic masculinity” comment

doc sucks and proves why gatekeeping is a good thing

 

[Product Placement]

Found a doc on Tubi that caught my interest “50 Best Horror Movies You’ve Never Seen” P.J Soles (a 70s horror mainstay) hosts it. Sounds pretty cool.

Nope. It’s a bunch of vapid idiots too busy mugging for the camera and thinking classics like Basket Case, The Hills Have Eyes, When a Stranger Calls and Frankenheimer’s Prophecy are “leik so totes hidden gems guiz!” while occasionally throwing out a “muh soggy knees” or “toxic masculinity” comment

doc sucks and proves why gatekeeping is a good thing

I'm a sucker for lists, but that sounds awful.

When a Stranger Calls, 11k rating on IMDb, and the killer is inside the house is super iconic, had a follow-up and a remake.

Basket Case, 18k ratings on IMDb, had two follows up

The Hills Have Eyes, 33k ratings on IMDb, spawn a follow-up and a remake which itself got a follow-up. original grossed $25 million during its run in America which would be around $115 million for inflation, and that just in America. You could very well say it was the movie that started the later 70s to 80s horror movie trend.

Frankenheimer’s Prophecy, the lower end of the IMDb rating with 4.8k, but grossed $23 million when it came out, to be the 31st highest-grossing movie of the year. Guess could maybe call this one forgotten but feels like a stretch.

Wouldn't call any of them unheard of, something like Neon Maniacs, Primal Rage, Thou Shalt Not Kill... Except, The Man Who Lived Again and Petey Wheatstraw would fit the bill much more.

 

[Oats12345]

Found a doc on Tubi that caught my interest “50 Best Horror Movies You’ve Never Seen” P.J Soles (a 70s horror mainstay) hosts it. Sounds pretty cool.

Nope. It’s a bunch of vapid idiots too busy mugging for the camera and thinking classics like Basket Case, The Hills Have Eyes, When a Stranger Calls and Frankenheimer’s Prophecy are “leik so totes hidden gems guiz!” while occasionally throwing out a “muh soggy knees” or “toxic masculinity” comment

doc sucks and proves why gatekeeping is a good thing

I didn't even finish it. It was to ignoring for me

 

[Product Placement]

Found the full list and it is worse than I thought

The 50 Best Horror Movies You've Never Seen...

This list is a transcription from the recently released documentary special "The 50 Best Horror Movies You've Never Seen", how many of

www.listchallenges.com

Night of the Hunter is seen as an outright classic movie, well known and well-loved. Also, it's not a horror movie.

Let Right One In and Audition are only there because whoever did the list, thinks just because they aren't in English means people won't have heard or seen them, despite both being two of the best-reviewed and well-liked movies of the year they came out. Let the Right One in is one of the most reviewed movies on imdb.

Halloween 3, is a fuckin Halloween movie, people may have disliked it when it came out, but that doesn't mean it is unseen.

 

[White Devil]

Halloween 3, is a fuckin Halloween movie, people may have disliked it when it came out, but that doesn't mean it is unseen.

People fucking hated Halloween 3. The current day "love" for that movie are from people who weren't around when it came out and only think that liking the most disliked film of the franchise gives them some dumb hipster cred.

That movie is single handedly responsible for all the following Halloween movies just being mindless F13 clones, I believe John Carpenter even said that himself in the In Search of Darkness documentary.

I personally think 3 was ok, but they should have made it it's own thing and it probably would have done better.

 

[BrunoMattei]

People fucking hated Halloween 3. The current day "love" for that movie are from people who weren't around when it came out and only think that liking the most disliked film of the franchise gives them some dumb hipster cred.

That movie is single handedly responsible for all the following Halloween movies just being mindless F13 clones, I believe John Carpenter even said that himself in the In Search of Darkness documentary.

I personally think 3 was ok, but they should have made it it's own thing and it probably would have done better.

Nah, I remember back in the day that people liked Halloween 3. It was divisive among the hardcore Michael Myers fans but the narrative that it was despised until recently is just wrong.

 

[White Devil]

Nah, I remember back in the day that people liked Halloween 3. It was divisive among the hardcore Michael Myers fans but the narrative that it was despised until recently is just wrong.

We have different experiences then because I don't know a single person that liked it as a Halloween franchise movie.

 

[BrunoMattei]

I knew people who liked it. You could make the argument that it became more celebrated as time has passed but the horror guys I knew for the most part really liked if not loved Halloween 3.