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The fucking scary movie series man, even when it was...ok back in the beginning, it still killed off any hope of people taking the scenes in movies they parody seriously ever again.

but i have to agree 3 is waayyyy scarier with that opening alone, gave me chills 0-0. Still you gotta feel for William Peter Blatty. He originally wanted to call it just Legion and be only mildly related to the first film. but the studio thought calling it Exorcist III would sell better. Dumbass suits always thinking they know what's best.

I love the exorcism scene they made him put in the end, especially the "I believe" speech from Kinderman. Studio meddling made the movie better imo.
 
Watched Malignant, a very mixed bag and bit all over the place.

Whenever the movie just says fuck it and goes for goofy or batshit stuff, it is really enjoyable. Is a fight scene in the latter half that was just pure entertainment. And when it's like that it does remind me of some of the more fun 80s horror movies.

But most of the movie felt like the standard sub par horror movie just some better visuals. It kind of feels like there were reshoots but they couldn't get the reshoots fully done.
 
Watched Malignant, a very mixed bag and bit all over the place.

Whenever the movie just says fuck it and goes for goofy or batshit stuff, it is really enjoyable. Is a fight scene in the latter half that was just pure entertainment. And when it's like that it does remind me of some of the more fun 80s horror movies.

But most of the movie felt like the standard sub par horror movie just some better visuals. It kind of feels like there were reshoots but they couldn't get the reshoots fully done.
Those action scenes felt like they belonged in some Underworld sequel, not the kind of movie they were pretending to be for the first half.
 
Randomly decided to watch Jeremy Saulnier's (a director I love) first film, Murder Party. It's a no-budget horror/comedy about a schlub who goes to a random Halloween party advertised in an invitation he found on the street only to realize it's a trap and that the other people there (all artists) intend to murder him for the experience of it.

When I say it has no budget, I mean it. Many of the actors also played multiple roles behind the scenes of the film to save money. But it's well-directed despite that. It's a silly little film that, despite the gore, is almost... cute? In a good way, I mean. It's nothing compared to Saulnier's later films like Blue Ruin or Green Room, but it's worth seeing.
I actually like Only God Forgives. It’s just fun to watch, and is a neat sequel to Valhalla Rising. Refn’s main appeal is his sense of visual mood. Everything else is serviceable at best.
Refn has never directed a bad film. Anyone who disagrees sucks cock by choice. I will say I fucking hated the last three episodes of Too Old to Die Young.
 
Randomly decided to watch Jeremy Saulnier's (a director I love) first film, Murder Party. It's a no-budget horror/comedy about a schlub who goes to a random Halloween party advertised in an invitation he found on the street only to realize it's a trap and that the other people there (all artists) intend to murder him for the experience of it.

When I say it has no budget, I mean it. Many of the actors also played multiple roles behind the scenes of the film to save money. But it's well-directed despite that. It's a silly little film that, despite the gore, is almost... cute? In a good way, I mean. It's nothing compared to Saulnier's later films like Blue Ruin or Green Room, but it's worth seeing.

Refn has never directed a bad film. Anyone who disagrees sucks cock by choice. I will say I fucking hated the last three episodes of Too Old to Die Young.
I couldn't get into Murder Party and sorry dude but Only God Forgives sucks. And I like Refn a lot. I love Bronson, Drive, Neon Demon, and Valhalla Rising. But I do think the success of Drive went to his head.
 
For those wondering "What streaming service has the best curation of horror films?" It is without question Tubi. It has pretty much everything that isn't a major studio franchise -aside from entries that were independently released and then became studio franchises like the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Halloween. 2nd best is Shudder but the actual number of titles is very low and there's some crossover with Shudder and Tubi's catalog. Best of all? Tubi is free although you do have to an account to watch R rated shit. Plus there's sites you can just download the movie and if you watch on your desktop with an adblocker it blocks the ads.

Things I found on Tubi that made me go "Holy shit! This is on Tubi? I have to tell someone."


Warlock 2: the Armageddon the epitome of 90's horror. Very fun B movie that doesn't get enough appreciation.


Have you ever wondered what if Chuck Norris fought a Michael Myers knockoff then here you go.


The first Wolf Creek was good maybe a little unmemorable but the sequel is even better and really goes for the gore.


AKA Nightmares in a Damaged Brain. One of the greatest serial killer movies with legendary gore.


The Incubus. Very underrated stylish supernatural/monster/slasher with the legendary John Cassavetes staring and... Well, he's there. Collecting a check. Great flick.


If you haven't seen what may be Takashi Miike's masterpiece Audition then go fuck yourself.


Bad Moon. Underrated werewolf flick that came and went back in the day. Features a bipedal werewolf, great makeup, and some good twists and turns.


The Living Dead Girl. Jean Rollin's most accessible film. The man was a master of erotic vampire cinema but he divulged every now and then with this probably being his well known probably because of the Rob Zombie song. Tits, gore, existential French arthouse aesthetics, great film.



Day of the Beast. Top notch Spanish horror/comedy. Turn on the subs.


Jorg Buttgereit's last feature. An arthouse serial killer movie from the director of Nekromantik 1 and 2. Highly recommended.


Hell of the Living Dead. Of course back in the day I knew this one as Night of the Zombies. Bruno Mattei's trash masterpiece. Witness top notch zombie make up and gore and completely nonsensical plot and characters. Witness a SWAT team guy put on a tutu and dance for no reason before being eaten by zombies.


The Reflecting Skin. Art house horror that feels like it was directed by David Lynch. Comes highly recommended.
 
For those wondering "What streaming service has the best curation of horror films?" It is without question Tubi. It has pretty much everything that isn't a major studio franchise -aside from entries that were independently released and then became studio franchises like the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Halloween. 2nd best is Shudder but the actual number of titles is very low and there's some crossover with Shudder and Tubi's catalog. Best of all? Tubi is free although you do have to an account to watch R rated shit. Plus there's sites you can just download the movie and if you watch on your desktop with an adblocker it blocks the ads.

Things I found on Tubi that made me go "Holy shit! This is on Tubi? I have to tell someone."


Warlock 2: the Armageddon the epitome of 90's horror. Very fun B movie that doesn't get enough appreciation.


Have you ever wondered what if Chuck Norris fought a Michael Myers knockoff then here you go.


The first Wolf Creek was good maybe a little unmemorable but the sequel is even better and really goes for the gore.


AKA Nightmares in a Damaged Brain. One of the greatest serial killer movies with legendary gore.


The Incubus. Very underrated stylish supernatural/monster/slasher with the legendary John Cassavetes staring and... Well, he's there. Collecting a check. Great flick.


If you haven't seen what may be Takashi Miike's masterpiece Audition then go fuck yourself.


Bad Moon. Underrated werewolf flick that came and went back in the day. Features a bipedal werewolf, great makeup, and some good twists and turns.


The Living Dead Girl. Jean Rollin's most accessible film. The man was a master of erotic vampire cinema but he divulged every now and then with this probably being his well known probably because of the Rob Zombie song. Tits, gore, existential French arthouse aesthetics, great film.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=I9y9lSMLK2U

Day of the Beast. Top notch Spanish horror/comedy. Turn on the subs.


Jorg Buttgereit's last feature. An arthouse serial killer movie from the director of Nekromantik 1 and 2. Highly recommended.


Hell of the Living Dead. Of course back in the day I knew this one as Night of the Zombies. Bruno Mattei's trash masterpiece. Witness top notch zombie make up and gore and completely nonsensical plot and characters. Witness a SWAT team guy put on a tutu and dance for no reason before being eaten by zombies.


The Reflecting Skin. Art house horror that feels like it was directed by David Lynch. Comes highly recommended.
They have a ton of Itallian horror and exploitation if you search by title. Boutique genre labels like Severin, Arrow, MVD, Blue Underground and Scream Factory put a lot of stuff on there. They even have Ruggero Deodato's Body Count.
 
2nd best is Shudder but the actual number of titles is very low and there's some crossover with Shudder and Tubi's catalog.

Really Shudder's saving graces are the collection of cult hits, joe bob briggs (as we've agreed on before) and for being the only place to watch the Documentary on 80's horror in search of darkness, an ok series best part about it is they got interviews from both people in the industry and internet personalities who talk about the genre like Brandon tenold and james rolfe. The music by RetroNewwave is a plus too. speaking of which...



Another ok review channel that talks about cult horror/action movies. Brandon's a good kid for a canadian, better than a certain other Canadian internet personality i know.
 
I watched Ravenous last night. I had been meaning to watch it for near a decade now after watching Renegade Cut (he still around?) talk about it. It is no Bone Tomahawk, but Robert Carlyle is excellent in it. Gotta love Begbie.
 
I watched Malignant last night. Satan downloaded it off the Internet and uploaded it onto my TV via USB without my knowledge or permission. As horror flicks go, it’s about a five or maybe a five and a half out of ten. Its main problem is how it’s structured. The revelation about the true nature of the relationship between Gabriel and his beleaguered sister comes at the start of the last act, when it should have come at the end of the first. The movie would’ve been a scarier viewing experience if it had. Alas, scares are conspicuously absent in Malignant. And Wan’s directorial flourishes, the prowling camerawork for example, can’t make up for their absence. The last act is kinda fun, though the special effects lean too closely to Nintendo 64 for my liking. Easily the highlight of the film, and one of my favorite moments of any film I’ve seen in the past decade, is when a cop readily pumps bullets into a live bull dyke the villain is employing as a human shield. Pure comedy gold!
 
The reveal of Mrs. Voorhees in the original is the ultimate copout. Here's a character that was never introduced, never hinted at, never seen until the last 15 minutes.
iirc it mostly doesn't even try to be a whodunnit, although I vaguely remember Crazy Ralph being a lame red herring that's not going to fool anyone. The reveal is more a play on audience expectations. As slashers go, when an established character is revealed to be the killer, half the time it's a retarded cheat anyway. For that matter, most of the Friday sequels (starting with 2) take even lazier shortcuts to get the plot moving, and it's not like the twist in 5 makes any sense even if it is set up.

I give the gold medal for copouts to Final Exam (1981). There's not explanation of who the killer is, or his motivation, or where he came from, or anything. Not even "oh a crazy guy escaped from an insane asylum". Some random guy just shows up and starts killing people. He's not even a spooky-looking guy in a mask, it's just some dude. He has no personality and says nothing. Even something like e.g. Terrifier that basically explains nothing gives you way way more to go on. I guess the total lack of a twist is supposed to be the twist but it's not a good enough movie to get away with that.

First I will list the positives:

David Cronenberg cameo, the face smash kill, the sleeping bag kill homage/parody. That's about it.
That's pretty comprehensive. David Cronenberg re-wrote his lines, so he's the only character that doesn't sound like an idiot.

I watched Ravenous last night. I had been meaning to watch it for near a decade now after watching Renegade Cut (he still around?) talk about it. It is no Bone Tomahawk, but Robert Carlyle is excellent in it. Gotta love Begbie.
I love that movie. Soundtrack plays a big part.
 
I give the gold medal for copouts to Final Exam (1981). There's not explanation of who the killer is, or his motivation, or where he came from, or anything. Not even "oh a crazy guy escaped from an insane asylum". Some random guy just shows up and starts killing people. He's not even a spooky-looking guy in a mask, it's just some dude. He has no personality and says nothing. Even something like e.g. Terrifier that basically explains nothing gives you way way more to go on. I guess the total lack of a twist is supposed to be the twist but it's not a good enough movie to get away with that.
I feel like that could be a sub-genre to itself: slashers where the killer has no motive whatsoever. Another one is The Prowler which is largely saved by legendary Tom Savini gore effects but the killer has no motive and just randomly starts killing people. Then there's Don't Go In the Woods where it's just a crazy mountain man.

You can do a movie where the killer has no motivation and do it right like in Funny Games or American Psycho.
 
I mean, both Jason and Michael Myers can't be said to really have motives, at the very least if you exclude the first two movies of both series.

You could even make a case that Michael Myers didn't have a motive going after Jamie Lee Curtis in the sequel, it's just that he had a pray and wanted to kill it, no other reason than that. Jason clearly wanted revenge for Mommy at the very beginning of Part 2 but afterwards, he pretty much just wants to kill.
 
I mean, both Jason and Michael Myers can't be said to really have motives, at the very least if you exclude the first two movies of both series.

You could even make a case that Michael Myers didn't have a motive going after Jamie Lee Curtis in the sequel, it's just that he had a pray and wanted to kill it, no other reason than that. Jason clearly wanted revenge for Mommy at the very beginning of Part 2 but afterwards, he pretty much just wants to kill.
Wut.

Jason clearly has a motive. He drowned in the lake due to negligence from the counselors, his mom gets revenge, his mother is killed by a counselor something something and he's back killing anyone in his territory. My theory is that his mother being killed brought him back to life. His motive is very clearly revenge.

With Myers, okay, you may be onto something kind of sort of... If we ignore parts 2-8 (ignoring part 3) continuity. Now watch as Halloween Kills ruins all of that ambiguity.
 
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Wut.

Jason clearly has a motive. He drowned in the lake due to negligence from the counselors, his mom gets revenge, his mother is killed by a counselor something something and he's back killing anyone in his territory. My theory is that his mother being killed brought him back to life. His motive is very clearly revenge.

In Part 1, Part 5 and Part 9, he's not the killer. The only kill that is clearly motivated is the first kill of Part 2. All of the other kills in Part 3, 4, 6 and 7, it can all be chalked up to 'Someone entered his territory so he's just gonna murder them'. No motive other than being an animal and going out of his way to murder people, because they are in his vicinity. Part 8 he goes out of his territory to kill the students, and follows them all the way to Manhattan, but again that's because they came in his territory in the first place. In Part 10 he awakens on a space ship and murders all the people there because, well, what else is he gonna do.

So the fact is that aside from killing Alice where he goes out of his way to track her and murder her as revenge for killing his mother, every single other kill we see Jason commit can basically all be chalked up to him being the equivalent of a feral animal who will kill any intruder who walks in on his territory.

That's no more a motive than killing for killing's sake.

With Myers, okay, you may be onto something kind of sort of... If we ignore parts 2-8 (ignoring part 3) continuity. Now watch as Halloween Kills ruins all of that ambiguity.

It really depends on which Michael Myers we're talking about. There's like 5 different iterations of him depending on what movie you're up. You know who he is as a character, but then the next movie just throws all of that shit through the window, retcons shit, and adds even more dumb lore that breaks it all.

The thing about Original Myers is that he was simply evil for evil's sake, and killing at random in Part 1... but then they had to go and retcon Laurie as his sister, and then there's the whole idea of the Druid curse but even that shit gets retconned in some movies and ignored in others.... This is made exceedingly clear by Loomis' earlier speeches about him.

So yes, Michael Myers in the original Halloween (or the recent soft rebooted Halloween 2 called Halloween) murders for the sake of murdering. Unless, as you say, Halloween Kills just goes ahead and fucks all of that up.

The Rob Zombie Halloween movies are a rumor and do not actually exist.
 
Some upcoming movies are hitting streaming.

Halloween Kills is hitting streaming day one next month on the 15th.

Night of the animated Dead is due on the 21st of September

Candyman 2021 will be streaming on Friday of this week.

Friday also has this, not sure if it will be horror however
 
So Don't Breathe 2 was.... good? It definitely wasn't great, but it wasn't shit. I'm guessing there are tons of shitty puns about how it's better to go in blind, but yeah it's best if you don't know too much about the story, don't watch trailers, just watch it but also don't expect it to be the same thing as the first movie. This one is more thriller than horror I suppose. Still, really good gore, the movie is short enough it doesn't overstay its welcome, and at least the protagonists arent cunts like in the first one. 3/5
 
For those wondering "What streaming service has the best curation of horror films?" It is without question Tubi. It has pretty much everything that isn't a major studio franchise -aside from entries that were independently released and then became studio franchises like the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Halloween. 2nd best is Shudder but the actual number of titles is very low and there's some crossover with Shudder and Tubi's catalog. Best of all? Tubi is free although you do have to an account to watch R rated shit. Plus there's sites you can just download the movie and if you watch on your desktop with an adblocker it blocks the ads.

Things I found on Tubi that made me go "Holy shit! This is on Tubi? I have to tell someone."


Warlock 2: the Armageddon the epitome of 90's horror. Very fun B movie that doesn't get enough appreciation.


Have you ever wondered what if Chuck Norris fought a Michael Myers knockoff then here you go.


The first Wolf Creek was good maybe a little unmemorable but the sequel is even better and really goes for the gore.


AKA Nightmares in a Damaged Brain. One of the greatest serial killer movies with legendary gore.


The Incubus. Very underrated stylish supernatural/monster/slasher with the legendary John Cassavetes staring and... Well, he's there. Collecting a check. Great flick.


If you haven't seen what may be Takashi Miike's masterpiece Audition then go fuck yourself.


Bad Moon. Underrated werewolf flick that came and went back in the day. Features a bipedal werewolf, great makeup, and some good twists and turns.


The Living Dead Girl. Jean Rollin's most accessible film. The man was a master of erotic vampire cinema but he divulged every now and then with this probably being his well known probably because of the Rob Zombie song. Tits, gore, existential French arthouse aesthetics, great film.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=I9y9lSMLK2U

Day of the Beast. Top notch Spanish horror/comedy. Turn on the subs.


Jorg Buttgereit's last feature. An arthouse serial killer movie from the director of Nekromantik 1 and 2. Highly recommended.


Hell of the Living Dead. Of course back in the day I knew this one as Night of the Zombies. Bruno Mattei's trash masterpiece. Witness top notch zombie make up and gore and completely nonsensical plot and characters. Witness a SWAT team guy put on a tutu and dance for no reason before being eaten by zombies.


The Reflecting Skin. Art house horror that feels like it was directed by David Lynch. Comes highly recommended.
I love Tubi for this reason. Holy shit Chuck Norris was in a horror movie!!! Fuck I'm watching that wait now
 
So Don't Breathe 2 was.... good? It definitely wasn't great, but it wasn't shit. I'm guessing there are tons of shitty puns about how it's better to go in blind, but yeah it's best if you don't know too much about the story, don't watch trailers, just watch it but also don't expect it to be the same thing as the first movie. This one is more thriller than horror I suppose. Still, really good gore, the movie is short enough it doesn't overstay its welcome, and at least the protagonists arent cunts like in the first one. 3/5
Don't Breathe 2 had an agreeably scuzzy 1990s direct-to-video B-movie energy to it.

Also, I watched Malignant. Malignant is trashy and slow and offensive and I say that positively. Sure it references giallo films and others, there are definite references to Sisters, Deep Red, etc. but it doesn't feel like the creators are sucking themselves off for being clever about making these. Malignant is a sincere production and not the work of some self-congratulating hipster A24 director going around giving press releases about how his horror movie only uses practical effects or is a "slow burn" or whatever.
 
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