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4 for sure. H20 isn't terrible, it's just incredibly bland.
But you voted for H20! lol
I watched Terrifier 3. It's okay. I won't be watching any more Terrifier sequels. Art the Clown can be fun but the only plot to these movies is "clown and [insert evil sidekick] brutally murder a handful of people we don't care about." There's only so many times you can do that.
The Terrifier franchise is overrated, but I don't want to say it too loudly because I appreciate all the revitalized energy it has been bringing to the slasher genre. Art is for sure an iconic character and you can tell there's a lot of love put into the practical effects for the kills, but other than that, it's lacking in terms of writing, lore that makes sense, and suspense-building. I miss the slow, atmospheric, killer POV stalking shots you get in F13 and Halloween. Those are just as important in a slasher film as the actual slashing.
 
Speaking of a certain Gentleman from Providence, I was reading a collection of short stories from author Ramsey Campbell, a collection of some of his later "Lovecraftian" stories of less-than-novel-length, Visions from Brichester, and one of the more recently published stories, that I'd read in an earlier anthology (Black Wings of Cthulhu, ed. by ST Joshi) has been on my mind, "The Correspondence of Cameron Thaddeus Nash". It's an epistolary tale, where Campbell purports to have acquired a set of letters years ago from the eponymous Nash to H.P. Lovecraft, and has annotated them. Nash is a Brit who apparently started corresponding with Lovecraft as a fan, but then quickly moved to get Lovecraft to use his influence to place Nash’s stories in Weird Tales or another magazine. The relationship sours because Nash is clearly a nutcase with a bad temper and his stories (which we never see) are not saleable, and later, after lamenting that one or two stories he sent to Lovecraft were unable to be "placed", he becomes a bit miffed when more stories he mailed to Lovecraft were never returned to him. Things go south pretty soon thereafter. The letters are at turns hilarious and downright nasty, once Nash turns on Lovecraft and goes from gushing enthusiast to, over the years, a vicious critic. Frequent references are made to Lovecraft's publishing, the works of other "weird fiction" authors and members of The Lovecraft Circle with whom he had correspondence. The story is both blackly humorous but with a tinge of unease.

In 1968 August Derleth was sent a number of letters that had apparently been received by H. P. Lovecraft. The anonymous parcel bore no return address. Although the letters had been typed on a vintage machine and on paper that appeared to be decades old, Derleth was undecided whether they were authentic. For instance, he was unsure that someone living in a small English village in the 1920s would have had access to issues of Weird Tales, and he could find no obvious references to Nash in any of Lovecraft’s surviving correspondence. Derleth considered printing some or all of Nash’s letters in the Arkham Collector but decided against using them in the Winter 1969 issue devoted to Lovecraft. Later he asked me to think about writing an essay on Lovecraft for a new Lovecraftian volume that might offer the letters a home, but the project was shelved. Intrigued by his references to the Nash letters, | persuaded him to send me copies, including the other documents. It isn’t clear what happened to the originals. When I visited Arkham House in 1975, James Turner knew nothing about them, and he was subsequently unable to trace them. He did mention that in Howard Phillips Lovecraft: Dreamer on the Nightside, Frank Belknap Long referred to an English writer who “thought it was amusing to call people names,” by whom Lovecraft had supposedly been troubled for several years. Since Long was unable to be more specific, Turner deleted the reference. I reproduce all the letters here, followed by the final documents. Nash’s signature is florid and extends across the page. It grows larger but less legible as the correspondence progresses.

The first letter, sent in 1925 is full of over the top praise:

May I come swiftly to my poor excuse for this intrusion into your inestimably precious time? I have sampled six issues of the Unique Magazine, and I am sure you must be aware that it has but a single claim to uniqueness—the contributions of your good self. I scarcely know whether to marvel or to be moved that you should allow them to appear amongst the motley fancies which infest the pages of the journal. Do you intend to educate the other contributors by your example? Are you not concerned that the ignorant reader may be repelled by this commonplace herd, thereby failing to discover the visions which you offer? The company in which you find yourself reads like the scribbling of hacks who have never dared to dream. I wish that the magazine would at least emblazon your name on the cover of every number which contains your prose. I promise you that on the occasion when I mistakenly bought an issue which had neglected to feature your work, I rent it into shreds so small that not a single vapid sentence could survive.

and by 1927 after gushing enthusiastically, and commenting on his own strange dreams that are inspiring him to write stories he's sent to HPL, the cracks start to form

Thank you for the list of living writers whose work you have praised in your essay. May I take it that you have withheld one name from me? Perhaps you intended me to be surprised upon reading it in the essay, unless you wished to spare my modesty. Let me reassure you that its presence would be no surprise and would cause me no embarrassment. If by any chance you decided that my work should not be discussed in the essay because of its basis in actual experience, pray do remind yourself that the material is cast in fictional form. In the case of such an omission, I trust that the error will be rectified before the essay sees publication.

Yours in urgency,
CTN

Nevertheless, it has some worth, for it convinces me that you are by no means the ideal agent for my work. I ignored your presumption in suggesting changes to my reports as if they were mere fiction, but I am troubled by the possibility that you may regard your work as in any way superior to mine. Is it conceivable that you altered the pieces which you submitted on my behalf? I suspect you of hindering them for fear that your fiction might be unfavourably compared to them, and in order that it might reach the editors ahead of them. I am sure that you excluded my work from your essay out of jealousy. | wonder if you may have resented my achievement ever since | gave you my honest appraisal of your Houdini hotchpotch. For these reasons and others which need not concern you, I hereby withdraw my work from your representation. Please return all of it immediately on receipt of this letter.

Sincerely,
Cameron Thaddeus Nash

By 1928, Nash is addressing HPL with names like "Loathecraft" and "Lovecramped" in his letters:

Your limits are painfully clear from your tale of the regurgitated island. Could you imagine nothing more alien than a giant with the head of an octopus? You might at least have painted it your non-existent colour. Giants were old when the Greeks were young, and your dreams are just as stale. No doubt your acolytes—Augur Dulldeath and Clerk Ashen Sniff and Dullard Wantdie and Stank Kidnap Pong and the rest of your motley entourage—will counterfeit some admiration of the tale.

The correspondence thins out in the 30s but Nash makes up for it with ranting, raving, insults to him and members of his circle, gloating over the hostile reader mail printed in Astounding Magazine about his stories printed there like "The Shadow Out of Time", accusations of being ripped off (in one letter having a "You're so vain/You probably think this song is about you") reaction to "The Haunter of the Dark" and "The Thing on the Doorstep" (So you are dreaming about me, or so bereft of dreams that you have to write tales about me. | am a haunter of the dark, am I, and a shell which owes its vitality to the presence of a woman?) and swearing THIS IS THE LAST TIME, he's done with this, etc.

You are redundant, Cravecraft, and a burden on your scanty audience. Do you not see that your friends feel obliged to praise you? I believe your lack of inspiration has finally overwhelmed you, since your pen appears to have dribbled its last. You are reduced to disinterring the decayed carcasses of tales which should have been left in their unmarked graves. The fiddler Zann begs for pennies once more, and the white ape joins in with a jig. Why, you have given the tale of the ape a new name in the hope of misleading the reader that its publication is unique? I doubt that even Farthingsworth’s dull audience will be deluded. No mask can disguise material which is so uninspiringly familiar, and all the perfumes in the world cannot swamp the stench of rot.

You will be interested to learn that one of the conduits through which I was dreamed into the world has ceased to function. He leaves a sizeable amount of money and his fellow channel, my mother. Both are useful in relieving me of the need to remain in prosaic employment. As well as dealing with domestic matters, my mother will act as my envoy to the mundane world.

But there's two items appended to the letters, which induce a sense of unease in our humble editor and annotator, when taken in with some of Nash's ravings about his dreams and whatever it is he thinks is probing them and his mind...
 
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I already posted this else where but it fits here. I got this earlier this week. VINCENT PRICE!! AUGH YEAH
 
It’s probably the best kind of movie if you’re a teenage guy and wanted to bring a girl to a movie for a date or some shit. It’s… just… who cares. That movie did not need to exist.
That's exactly what the marketing seemed to say it was, too. It even had the "this movie is not that scary and also it's for teens" trailer voiceover guy!
Watching The Black Phone now. 10 minutes in and it's already so current year. Dreamy Asian boy riding through the neighborhood with all the girls waving at him, tiny Mexican kid who beats up the comically larger racist bully, foul-mouthed girlboss who yells at police and attacks bullies. Why is every single movie made now like this?
I adore the flawless short story it's based on. But I didn't like the movie, either.
 
Time to settle this once and for all: Halloween 4 or Halloween H20?
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:lunacy: = Halloween 4
:feels:= Halloween H20
I had to vote for the one with Loomis over the Scream wannabe, but there's a reason Halloween keeps getting its sequels erased. The original had a great ending and none of the sequels do it any favors.

An observation someone shared with me that clicked in my brain - you can tell when the maker or makers of a modern indie horror film are Millennial rich kids if the main character works a job like manning the register at a movie theater's concession stand and then they drive around in a new car and live in an apartment that makes the ladies' apartment from Friends look like a closet in comparison. Or they own a successful small business, especially if it's some ridiculously niche shop but they also have unlimited free time and never do any work at all.

I mean, when it comes to horror films, I can be a real vibes over verisimilitude person but sometimes, it's details like that that bug me.
The Netflix Texas Chainsaw Massacre is a real standout for this. Our protagonists are buying up old property in a desolate isolated Texas ghost town that is somehow both just outside of Austin and a several-hours drive from any kind of civilization. Their plan is to gentrify it and turn it into a bustling hipster hub... somehow? Nothing in the movie seems to work anything like real life.
 
The Netflix Texas Chainsaw Massacre is a real standout for this. Our protagonists are buying up old property in a desolate isolated Texas ghost town that is somehow both just outside of Austin and a several-hours drive from any kind of civilization. Their plan is to gentrify it and turn it into a bustling hipster hub... somehow? Nothing in the movie seems to work anything like real life.
As someone that lives in Texas I just have to laugh at this for a few hours.
 
Watched a weird war movie/horror zombie movie called Overlord. Takes place during D-Day where a small team of Americans need to destroy a German radio tower in Normandy but they find that the Germans have been attempting to bring back the dead. Vaguely Wolfenstein-esque plot. Felt kinda corny to make the protagonist of your WWII movie a pacifist black guy when black and white battalions were completely separated during WWII. Normally I don't get too pissed off about DEI casting but come on, was the actor that amazing that it HAD to be this specific black guy? Could a white guy not have fit the role just as well, if not better due to it actually being historically accurate? But okay, historical context aside, it wasn't bad. It has some really cool gore and transformation effects, though they don't happen as often as they should. The movie is stronger in concept than it is in practice, everything is generally rather weak in terms of writing, but the concept is intriguing enough to have kept me watching. I wish they did the supernatural stuff earlier, but when it finally happens it's pretty fun to watch. There were sparse moments of genuinely really grody body-horror that really got under my skin in a good way but they didn't last as long as I hoped they would. Lots of stupid and unrealistic decisions by the soldiers (along with the main character in particular) that would never logically happen in real life during war which had me rolling my eyes. You kinda really have to suspend your disbelief while watching this one in order for it to make sense. Would I recommend it? Ehh... I don't know. I don't think it's something I'd revisit anytime soon. But I kinda liked it.
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I just finished a Brandon Cronenberg's Infinity Pool (2023).

Without spoiling anything about the plot or premise (which you should not know about before watching), I'll just say I thought the first two-thirds was much stronger than the final third. Where the movie ends up is kind of conventional and not that interesting (and I found the ending underwhelming), but the setup is extremely effective, and it makes me want to watch Brandon Cronenberg's other two movies... which are apparently on Tubi, so I may check them out next.

I guess the only other thing I'll say is the movie looks and sounds great, and the performances are quite good. This was my first time seeing Mia Goth in anything, and it was nice, uh, seeing so much of her. I watched the uncut version, so I have no idea how in the world this movie got an R rating with any amount of editing. Extreme amounts of everything.

No, Brandon is not the master his father is. But he's talented.
Watched a weird war movie/horror zombie movie called Overlord. Takes place during D-Day where a small team of Americans need to destroy a German radio tower in Normandy but they find that the Germans have been attempting to bring back the dead. Vaguely Wolfenstein-esque plot. Felt kinda corny to make the protagonist of your WWII movie a pacifist black guy when black and white battalions were completely separated during WWII. Normally I don't get too pissed off about DEI casting but come on, was the actor that amazing that it HAD to be this specific black guy? Could a white guy not have fit the role just as well, if not better due to it actually being historically accurate? But okay, historical context aside, it wasn't bad. It has some really cool gore and transformation effects, though they don't happen as often as they should. The movie is stronger in concept than it is in practice, everything is generally rather weak in terms of writing, but the concept is intriguing enough to have kept me watching. I wish they did the supernatural stuff earlier, but when it finally happens it's pretty fun to watch. There were sparse moments of genuinely really grody body-horror that really got under my skin in a good way but they didn't last as long as I hoped they would. Lots of stupid and unrealistic decisions by the soldiers (along with the main character in particular) that would never logically happen in real life during war which had me rolling my eyes. You kinda really have to suspend your disbelief while watching this one in order for it to make sense. Would I recommend it? Ehh... I don't know. I don't think it's something I'd revisit anytime soon. But I kinda liked it.
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I felt the unrealistic "race-blind" casting kind of tipped off the audience early that 1) the movie was not too be taken too seriously and that 2) it would not depict WW2 realistically. In that sense, it didn't offend me. Wyatt Russell was pretty damn good.
 
2) it would not depict WW2 realistically.
Yeah, I like looking at one star reviews first for movies that I plan to go into and in this case all of them were bitching about the casting being unrealistic and the movie being historically inaccurate. Yeah? It's a movie about Nazi Zombies. I don't really know how any of these people went in watching the whole thing only to give one star just because the protagonist was a black guy, especially if there are more important things that they could have critiqued. I'm personally quite autistic when it comes to history which was why I mentioned it at all, but at no point would I consider it a real "flaw" when considering the context of what I am viewing.
Wyatt Russell was pretty damn good.
I was rooting for his character the most. I kinda wish there was some more character development because it feels like the tip of something there but we just don't have enough time to properly connect with anyone, which is kind of a shame.
 
makes me want to watch Brandon Cronenberg's other two movies... which are apparently on Tubi, so I may check them out next.

I enjoyed Possessor quite a bit. It's much more straightforward than Infinity Pool was (while still being very much an "out there" movie. Again the set up is better than the payoff, but nowhere nearly as stark a difference as in IP. But that's really just quibbling since most of the movie is very steong.
 
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So I just finished watching this POS movie. Here's what I think about it:

>3/10 movie
>Every segment (except 1) was bad
>2nd segment had potential but fucked it up
>Kidprint was just gore sawlite.
>FUNSIZE had bad acting and dialog (muh fiancee)
>Wraparound doesn't even connect to the tapes themselves
>House haunt was surprisingly very good; only problem was it being too short

It was worth it to see the end, but idk if I want to watch the other new VHS movies. This was far worse than 1,2, and viral. Shudder thinks that gore is all you need to make a horror movie, and I disagree.

Vhs Halloween is def not something I'll watch again. The next year's entry will definitely be worse than this; I can only hope that 1 good segment comes out of it.
 
That's exactly what the marketing seemed to say it was, too. It even had the "this movie is not that scary and also it's for teens" trailer voiceover guy!

I adore the flawless short story it's based on. But I didn't like the movie, either.

Hill really inherited his father's skill at short stories. They shoved way to much junk into the Black Phone. The sister was entirely inconsequential to the plot and felt like she was only in there because they needed a longer runtime.
 
Hill really inherited his father's skill at short stories. They shoved way to much junk into the Black Phone. The sister was entirely inconsequential to the plot and felt like she was only in there because they needed a longer runtime.
Not to mention the story doesn't benefit at all from making it unambiguous that there's supernatural stuff happening. The original story is locked to Finney's POV, and so we're never certain if his mind is playing tricks on him during his isolation. The info he gets from the ghosts he either already knew or he could have guessed. He might merely be imagining his sister is out there looking for him.

None of the new stuff they added really works. (Though I had hope early in the film... I can't remember seeing any movie willing to show upsetting, realistic child abuse by a drunkard parent like that.) I love Ethan Hawke, and Tom Savini is one of my favorite horror guys, but the mask thing is just silly, and Hawke's performance is decidedly mannered and derivative of other cRaZy film killers.

Probably the worst scene is where the ghost is training grasshoppa to swing the phone properly. People had to be laughing at that goofy shit in the theater.
 
Saw Frankenstein. Really liked it. The most book-loyal Frankenstein I've seen, and the liberties they did take were easily artistically justified.
 
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