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When did horror films become Franchises? Most horror series have 2 good movies then a bunch of bad sequels. Alien, Terminator, Predator and that's just the big 3. Everything trying to be a franchise instead of a good stand alone movie makes the first movie bland.
There’s all of what the other posters said, but also I think it’s important to remember that horror movies are a safe bet for most production companies. Most mainstream horror releases are profitable and rarely needed the endorsement of critics to be popular. If something sticks with audiences, why not branch into a franchise (business-wise)? It’s free money for the studios.
 
There’s all of what the other posters said, but also I think it’s important to remember that horror movies are a safe bet for most production companies. Most mainstream horror releases are profitable and rarely needed the endorsement of critics to be popular. If something sticks with audiences, why not branch into a franchise (business-wise)? It’s free money for the studios.
Does horror popular with the critics do well? The slow build horror with little pay off gets great reviews but does it do well with the general audience?
 
Does horror popular with the critics do well? The slow build horror with little pay off gets great reviews but does it do well with the general audience?
Critical acclaim does not hurt certainly. Look at the Reddit slop that is Hereditary and Midsommar. Hereditary made nearly $90 million off a $10 million budget, Midsommar nearly $50 million off a $9 million budget. Then, look at Ari Aster’s next movie, Beau is Afraid, which is not horror and received critical acclaim, but only made around $12 million from a $35 million budget. I think there’s power in convincing your audience that their favorite lowbrow genre needs “elevated.”
I'm really starting to hate all these artsy fartsy slow build up and no pay off bullshit. It's the media equivalent to edging, after watching them I'm mad I wasted my time.
A Dark Song is the only slow burn I’ve really enjoyed over the years. The tight duet, the eerie cinematography, the music, and the deepening of the ritual it depicts make it absolutely riveting.
 
Critical acclaim does not hurt certainly. Look at the Reddit slop that is Hereditary and Midsommar. Hereditary made nearly $90 million off a $10 million budget, Midsommar nearly $50 million off a $9 million budget. Then, look at Ari Aster’s next movie, Beau is Afraid, which is not horror and received critical acclaim, but only made around $12 million from a $35 million budget. I think there’s power in convincing your audience that their favorite lowbrow genre needs “elevated.”

A Dark Song is the only slow burn I’ve really enjoyed over the years. The tight duet, the eerie cinematography, the music, and the deepening of the ritual it depicts make it absolutely riveting.
Who is paying to be bored for an hour and then "White people are bad"? Midsommar was terrible and the ending was laugh out loud funny. Ugly women naked women screaming isn't scary. It's a liberal woman meme.
 
Who is paying to be bored for an hour and then "White people are bad"? Midsommar was terrible and the ending was laugh out loud funny. Ugly women naked women screaming isn't scary. It's a liberal woman meme.
“Boring boyfriend bad, let’s light him on fire!” That was such a tedious load of crap. Pure style over substance.

I’m working on an effortpost reviewing the horror books I’ve read this year, and Midsommar reminds me of Grey Dog by Elliott Gish. The book has gorgeous prose style, but that quickly reveals itself to be a method of gilding the author’s lesbian musk fetish. The notion of “elevated” or “literary” horror is so tiring. It’s a clever way for gross people to sell their gross fantasies to popular audiences, all while having critics laud it as groundbreaking and subversive.
 
A Dark Song is the only slow burn I’ve really enjoyed over the years. The tight duet, the eerie cinematography, the music, and the deepening of the ritual it depicts make it absolutely riveting.
Honestly the only slow burn movies I've enjoyed have been older ones, really anything before movies started the loud sting jump scare trend. You need that pay off though, without it why even bother. That's the reason I hated the Birdbox. Hell, I can't think of a single Netfilx movie that didn't have a crap ending. Birdbox was so fucking stupid, I wish people died while doing that stupid challenge that started trending after the movie came out.

And that's another thing. STOP TRYING TO MAKE MOVIES GO VIRAL! Fucking studios trying make shitty movies go viral with a gimmick, but no they got to tweet out shitty little "memes" trying to appeal to kids with gold fish attentions spans that aren't even going to see the movie anyway, they just want to see little clips on tictok and say "OOHHH SO SPOOPY!! OH THE MOVIE IS ABOUT CHILD TRAMA! OH THE MOVIE IS ABOUT A MASCOT MONSTER THAT KILLS BAD ADULTS AND TAKES KIDS!! OH THE MOVIE IS ABOUT HOW BUFFY MADE ME A TROON!!" FUCK THAT! If a movie is good it will get word of mouth and now a days that's faster then ever.

MAKE HORROR HORROR AGAIN!!
 
“Boring boyfriend bad, let’s light him on fire!” That was such a tedious load of crap. Pure style over substance.

I’m working on an effortpost reviewing the horror books I’ve read this year, and Midsommar reminds me of Grey Dog by Elliott Gish. The book has gorgeous prose style, but that quickly reveals itself to be a method of gilding the author’s lesbian musk fetish. The notion of “elevated” or “literary” horror is so tiring. It’s a clever way for gross people to sell their gross fantasies to popular audiences, all while having critics laud it as groundbreaking and subversive.
I just want to see people die in cool ways and practical effects creatures. It doesn't need to be elevated until it's boring and you have to turn the volume down.
 
Honestly the only slow burn movies I've enjoyed have been older ones, really anything before movies started the loud sting jump scare trend.
Give A Dark Song a shot. I found the payoff to be quite satisfying. Let’s just say that they probably spent the lion’s share of the budget on SFX at the end. The conclusion of the narrative might not suit everyone’s taste, but it is visually unforgettable.
I just want to see people die in cool ways and practical effects creatures. It doesn't need to be elevated until it's boring and you have to turn the volume down.
I think the best, the truly elevated horror, is when characters are forced to navigate harrowing circumstances, often of supernatural origin, and come out wondering if survival was worth it. Even though it was critically panned, the 2014 vampire movie From the Dark exemplifies that horrific struggle. Two people vs a vampire, simple as.
 
Then, look at Ari Aster’s next movie, Beau is Afraid, which is not horror and received critical acclaim, but only made around $12 million from a $35 million budget. I think there’s power in convincing your audience that their favorite lowbrow genre needs “elevated.”
A24's dramas are generally very well received by critics and audiences (ex. The Whale, Everything Everywhere All At Once, Lady Bird, Moonlight, Eighth Grade) and typically are profitable. The problem is that in recent years, A24 has become "typecast" as the horror company in the minds of normies, and no one knew wtf Beau was about from the trailers. It also, reportedly, sucks, and is three hours long, which contributed to poor word of mouth I would imagine.

A24 has always been style over substance imo. I haven't sworn off of them entirely because they have proven they are willing to try new things and get weird. Even if I don't always like the result, I do respect that. Their films do usually have great cinematography and good acting which is more than can be said for most horror. Whether you value that over a cool monster or lots of gory kills is down to preference.

The notion of “elevated” or “literary” horror is so tiring. It’s a clever way for gross people to sell their gross fantasies to popular audiences, all while having critics laud it as groundbreaking and subversive.
The notion of literary horror is fine. Frankenstein, Dracula, The Exorcist, The Picture of Dorian Grey, The Shining, The Haunting of Hill House, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, I Am Legend, We Have Always Lived in the Castle, Let the Right One In, Carmilla. The problem is that utter garbage horror movies or books get a pass nowadays because it's artsy fartsy.
 
"Elevated" is fart huffing. It's a way for people to look down on the normal fans and act like they're better than them. I am not convinced the people who want to elevate things are enjoying them either. It's about status not pleasurable experiences. They do it with food where you get 2 spoons full and have to go to McDonalds after your fine dining experience.
 
"Elevated" is fart huffing. It's a way for people to look down on the normal fans and act like they're better than them. I am not convinced the people who want to elevate things are enjoying them either. It's about status not pleasurable experiences. They do it with food where you get 2 spoons full and have to go to McDonalds after your fine dining experience.
Just ask anyone who says they're a fan of "elevated" horror to articulate what that means. They flounder because they can't admit they just like snobby horror, or they like feeling like something needs to be artistic or deep to scare them. Follow that up with, "Oh, you just like horror with good acting," and watch them seethe.

I just defended literary horror but I do think that's an established genre that isn't quite the same as elevated horror.
 
Just ask anyone who says they're a fan of "elevated" horror to articulate what that means. They flounder because they can't admit they just like snobby horror, or they like feeling like something needs to be artistic or deep to scare them. Follow that up with, "Oh, you just like horror with good acting," and watch them seethe.

I just defended literary horror but I do think that's an established genre that isn't quite the same as elevated horror.
I don't think any of the elevated horror I've seen has good acting. It's easy to stand around and do nothing.

The ending is always some twist like Lovecraft. They love to dip into Lovecraft and it's always so shallow. Those twists only work if you set up a world where we expect a normal horror story. If your horror story goes from 0 to Nigger man you have missed the mark
 
I don't think any of the elevated horror I've seen has good acting. It's easy to stand around and do nothing.
The performances in The Witch, The Lighthouse, Hereditary, The Babadook, and Nosferatu range from good to outstanding and several of the actors in these films have received awards for their performances in those films. I didn't like any of those movies besides The Witch, and I actually did find them boring, but not because the actors were "standing around doing nothing." It was actually the opposite: too many scenes that were solely character, people going through various agonies of the spirit because their kid died in a car accident or their son is autistic and impossible to deal with, and not enough witches coming out of the woods to kill people or a storm blowing the lighthouse over. A drama with a handful of mildly spooky scenes isn't a horror movie.

Those twists only work if you set up a world where we expect a normal horror story. If your horror story goes from 0 to Nigger man you have missed the mark
I would say the twists work but don't satisfy anyone except fart-huffers. A character drama that becomes a demon possession movie in the final 20 minutes isn't a horror movie, but it isn't a drama either. Who is it for? People wanting a horror movie are bored through most of it and people who want a drama are repulsed in the final act. This shit is astroturfed and people who want to feel like cinephiles eat it up.
 
The notion of literary horror is fine. Frankenstein, Dracula, The Exorcist, The Picture of Dorian Grey, The Shining, The Haunting of Hill House, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, I Am Legend, We Have Always Lived in the Castle, Let the Right One In, Carmilla. The problem is that utter garbage horror movies or books get a pass nowadays because it's artsy fartsy.
I just defended literary horror but I do think that's an established genre that isn't quite the same as elevated horror.
I am becoming a semantic turd here (too much time spent in the Rekieta thread) but that’s just horror literature. It is horror writing that has enough stylistic and/or cultural merit to be distinguished as having literary value. Mary Shelley, Stoker, Stevenson, Wilde, and le Fanu all align with the wider movements of British and Irish literature during their times. Richard Matheson, Shirley Jackson, Peter Blatty, and Stephen King all popularized horror for American audiences in particular. It is all horror that can be esteemed as literature by these merits.

This notion of “literary horror” is a bunch of MFA graduates who think the world owes them recognition for huffing their own farts during their cliquish studies in social promotion. They don’t have the talent (or more likely the social networking and generational wealth) to thrive in the cutthroat world of “true” literary fiction, so they have decided to shit up genre fiction with the cultish techniques and ideologies that fester in the writing workshop. It is a genre that has maintained its own healthy ecosystem for decades, ever since Lovecraft’s epistolary circle cultivated and sustained the influence of their master’s work, and it does not need these “literary” authors by any measure.

Edit: lol fart huffing is the phrase of the day in this thread. Glad we are all on the same General wavelength.
 
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The ending is always some twist like Lovecraft. They love to dip into Lovecraft and it's always so shallow. Those twists only work if you set up a world where we expect a normal horror story. If your horror story goes from 0 to Nigger man you have missed the mark
Don't forget how they now always have to do a textwall disavowal of lovecraft saying how bad and mean he was compared to new thing beforehand!

I think I really started to hate a lot of modern shit that went into lovecraft and does so poorly specifically when they started doing that. because before that they'd properly frame him as a troubled guy with a kinda fucked background as to why he was the way he was. Now it's all like "OOOH HE WAS JUST BAD MAN WHO WAS RAYCIS! OOOOH HE WAS SCARED OF COLORS! OOOOH HE WAS SCARED OF AIR CONDITIONING! HE WAS SCARED OF [buzzword that gets likes on reddit here]!!! WE'RE BETTER NOW! BE BETTER!"

Speaking of lovecraft it's always bothered me how people just like depict everything he did as like tentacle monsters. There's a guy in one of his stories that's like based on a dude he had a dream about once named Nyatharlhotep, and he's described as basically looking like a tall dark skinned egyptian. Look him up on image search and NONE of the depictions of him actually look like he's described. He's not the only victim of this, It's just all fucking tentacle monsters all the way down. If horror people could do it they'd depict niggerman as a tentacle blob of unknown shape instead of a funny cat.

EDIT: Please note the above problem was a thing BEFORE they started constantly disavowing lovecraft and it was annoying to me even back when lovecraft shit was everywhere in pop culture media without the constant bullshit. I also may or may not have already rambled about this before a few years ago.
 
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The more I learn about 28 years later, the worse it gets and it becomes a sad reminder that sometimes not even the creator does it right anymore, especially after they become brain rotten by politics.

I havent watched the movie yet* but from what I gathered, it seems that the UK has been practically abandoned by the rest of the world (which apparently is suppose to be a commentary on fucking Brexit or something, fucking hell, they cant just make a movie anymore, can they? :stress: ) and it does seem to ignore the events of 28 Weeks later, with no mentioning of the virus spreading beyond the UK. Its funny I mention this because they have been asked if 28 weeks is still canon given how borderline inconsequential its events are to 28 years later (outside of maybe the virus evolving but it almost seems to be unrelated to the one we saw in Weeks), their answer was a handwave saying "Paris got probably nuked or something" which is the cordial way of saying "Weeks is still canon officially but we legit dont give a shit for it" which sucks because despite being flawed, many did soften up to Weeks over the years (tho how much of it is thanks to the opening scene alone or the rest of the movie depends on the individual).

Kind of makes this feel less like a sequel and just a new narrative being forced into the setting that seems more concerned with selling itself rather than telling an engaging narrative.

Also the fact that Cillian Murphy doesnt appear is a huge modern example of deceptive marketing as they really made it seem like Jim would at least have some sort of a role instead of being left as a "maybe in the next movie" shrug.

A shame, the trailer is legit amazing but marketing can only trick you so much from reality.

*I legit am waiting for a decent looking version to watch online cuz I aint paying for shit.
 
Cthulhu is the modern Freddy.

Is it good acting if the movie bores you? Movies are entertainment and if your movie is boring then it's a bad movie. Midsommer's ending is like watching Trump win an election. Screaming women ends up becoming funny because it's so poorly done.

Final Destination Bloodlines was okay. It uses fake outs too often and spoils the build ups but it's watchable. It's biggest problem is modern Hollywood casting makes most the cast ugly and there's obvious pandering to wokeness. It's not a lot but if you know, you know. Hollywood keeps casting low charisma people in horror movies and they lack the energy needed to pull off a slasher. Youthful energy meeting an early death gives the film some pacing and a sense of action. Casting some weird looking mixed race girl who has the energy of a twitter doom scroller drags the mood down. Even if it's more realistic I would rather have the original plucky teenagers with a couple of adults mixed in to doubt the kids and get offed to prove them right.

Grandma surviving in that cabin was strange. Clear had to be put in a cell and survived by being disconnected from everything outside. Death had dropped plane engines on people before to get to them but Grandma can Girl boss her way into a long life? She was surrounded by dangerous objects and things Death could have thrown through the cabin walls. Either the writer didn't understand you can dodge death by being aware once or twice but your luck always runs out and something you can't dodge hits you or they wanted to write girl boss Grandma. Which doesn't work when in front of her house is 2 massive spiky blockades the wind could crash into it.
 
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