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I skipped out for most of Guillermo del Toro's Cabinet of Curiosities except for episode 7 directed by Panos Cosmatos the director of Beyond the Black Rainbow and Mandy.

This was a disappointment. Panos' films are very slow burn but typically SOMETHING happens in the first 20 minutes or so. You get some lead up to something big about to happen. This episode? 40 minutes of nothing. Just talking and dudes getting high. It's beautifully shot but it takes such a long time to finally get started and by the time it's over. We got 10 minutes left of some great carnage. What happened? Did Netflix cut his budget and he had to pad things out? Did they spend most of the money getting Eric Andre? The last 10 minutes are great and it's worth a watch but oh man.

It would have been better as a 20-30 minute film instead.
Yes, I was really looking forward to that particular episode too. The visuals and music were great, don't get me wrong, but I really did feel like I wasted 40 minutes of my life watching it.

I quite enjoyed The Autopsy out of that series.
 
UPDATED: Peacock has given a straight-to-series order to a “Friday the 13th” prequel currently titled “Crystal Lake,” Variety has learned.

Exact plot details are being kept under wraps, although it is described as an “expanded prequel.” The show will be written by Bryan Fuller, who is also the showrunner and an executive producer. Victor Miller, who penned the original film in the franchise, will also executive produce along with Marc Toberoff, Rob Barsamian, and A24. A24 will also serve as the studio behind the series.

“’Friday the 13th’ is one of the most iconic horror franchises in movie history and we were dying to revisit this story with our upcoming drama series ‘Crystal Lake,’” said Susan Rovner, chairman of entertainment content for NBCUniversal Television and Streaming. “We can’t wait to get to work with Bryan Fuller, a gifted, visionary creator who I’ve had the pleasure of being a longtime friend and collaborator, along with our incredible partners at A24, in this updated version for Peacock that will thrill long-standing fans of the franchise.”

Miller and Toberoff, his attorney, were previously involved in a lengthy court case in an attempt to obtain the rights to the original film’s screenplay for Miller. The Second Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in Miller’s favor in 2021, giving him the U.S. rights to the screenplay. Miller and Toberoff have non-exclusive foreign rights as well and by bringing in Barsamian, the project has access to all of the other elements from the films.

Fuller is known for creating or co-creating shows like “Hannibal” at NBC, “Pushing Daisies” at ABC, “Dead Like Me” at Showtime, “American Gods” at Starz, and “Star Trek: Discovery” at Paramount+. He is also known for his work on “Star Trek: Voyager” as well as “Heroes.”

He is repped by WME, Brillstein Entertainment Partners, and Ziffren Brittenham.

“I discovered ‘Friday the 13th’ in the pages of Famous Monsters magazine when I was 10 years old and I have been thinking about this story ever since,” Fuller said. “When it comes to horror, A24 raises the bar and pushes the envelope and I’m thrilled to be exploring the camp grounds of Crystal Lake under their banner. And Susan Rovner is simply the best at what she does. It’s a pleasure and an honor to be working with her again.”

The original “Friday the 13th” was released in 1980. In that film, Jason is a child who drowns at Camp Crystal Lake. His death leads his mother Pamela to seek revenge against the counselors she blamed for her son’s death. It grossed nearly $60 million against a reported budget of $550,000.

Since then, there have been eleven further films in the franchise, including “Jason X,” “Freddy vs. Jason,” and the 2009 reboot. Jason became the main antagonist beginning with the second film.

Note: An earlier version of this story stated that “Crystal Lake” would not be able to use elements from any “Friday the 13th” films except for the first film. The story has been amended to reflect that it can, in fact.
Sounds like Bates Motel but with baby Jason and lots of homolust.
 
fuck you, Fuller, go do season four of Hannibal

I typically like his works a lot (although I found Pushing Daisies too quirky to withstand, and he left Discovery early in production, so it's hard to say how much that trashfire is on him), so I'm cautiously optimistic that Crystal Lake won't be a total failure.
 
UPDATED: Peacock has given a straight-to-series order to a “Friday the 13th” prequel currently titled “Crystal Lake,” Variety has learned.

Exact plot details are being kept under wraps, although it is described as an “expanded prequel.” The show will be written by Bryan Fuller, who is also the showrunner and an executive producer. Victor Miller, who penned the original film in the franchise, will also executive produce along with Marc Toberoff, Rob Barsamian, and A24. A24 will also serve as the studio behind the series.

“’Friday the 13th’ is one of the most iconic horror franchises in movie history and we were dying to revisit this story with our upcoming drama series ‘Crystal Lake,’” said Susan Rovner, chairman of entertainment content for NBCUniversal Television and Streaming. “We can’t wait to get to work with Bryan Fuller, a gifted, visionary creator who I’ve had the pleasure of being a longtime friend and collaborator, along with our incredible partners at A24, in this updated version for Peacock that will thrill long-standing fans of the franchise.”

Miller and Toberoff, his attorney, were previously involved in a lengthy court case in an attempt to obtain the rights to the original film’s screenplay for Miller. The Second Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in Miller’s favor in 2021, giving him the U.S. rights to the screenplay. Miller and Toberoff have non-exclusive foreign rights as well and by bringing in Barsamian, the project has access to all of the other elements from the films.

Fuller is known for creating or co-creating shows like “Hannibal” at NBC, “Pushing Daisies” at ABC, “Dead Like Me” at Showtime, “American Gods” at Starz, and “Star Trek: Discovery” at Paramount+. He is also known for his work on “Star Trek: Voyager” as well as “Heroes.”

He is repped by WME, Brillstein Entertainment Partners, and Ziffren Brittenham.

“I discovered ‘Friday the 13th’ in the pages of Famous Monsters magazine when I was 10 years old and I have been thinking about this story ever since,” Fuller said. “When it comes to horror, A24 raises the bar and pushes the envelope and I’m thrilled to be exploring the camp grounds of Crystal Lake under their banner. And Susan Rovner is simply the best at what she does. It’s a pleasure and an honor to be working with her again.”

The original “Friday the 13th” was released in 1980. In that film, Jason is a child who drowns at Camp Crystal Lake. His death leads his mother Pamela to seek revenge against the counselors she blamed for her son’s death. It grossed nearly $60 million against a reported budget of $550,000.

Since then, there have been eleven further films in the franchise, including “Jason X,” “Freddy vs. Jason,” and the 2009 reboot. Jason became the main antagonist beginning with the second film.

Note: An earlier version of this story stated that “Crystal Lake” would not be able to use elements from any “Friday the 13th” films except for the first film. The story has been amended to reflect that it can, in fact.
Sounds like Bates Motel but with baby Jason and lots of homolust.
I give this 50/50 odds. There's an episode of the slasher season of American Horror Story called 1984 (get it?) that's essentially a riff on Jason's origin showing a camp and a tragedy with a vengeful mother. I think the concept could work but something something woke times and all that. American Horror Story sucks but the point is that the concept can work. There's been whole stories on Jason's origin.


I remember reading one of the proposed scripts for a sequel before the lawsuit shut it down and it was set before Pamela's massacre and had Jason's father going on a rampage. Exploring the origins of the father and Pamela could be very interesting.
 
Did enjoy Bryan Fullers Hannibal show. Hope by prequel they mean before Part 2, Just don't want them to explain why Jason is Jason,

Having it lead up to Jason's "death", his mothers breakdown and then to the events of part 1 could make for a good show.

But for the love of god stay away from any Jason Goes to Hell fuckary.
 
Did enjoy Bryan Fullers Hannibal show. Hope by prequel they mean before Part 2, Just don't want them to explain why Jason is Jason,

Having it lead up to Jason's "death", his mothers breakdown and then to the events of part 1 could make for a good show.

But for the love of god stay away from any Jason Goes to Hell fuckary.
I didn't much care for American Gods but Hannibal is my favorite horror show. Fuller has quite a bit of leeway exploring the parents. I don't like the ideas of the director of part 6 where Jason is a rape baby. If I had a go at it then I would go with Kane Hodder's interpretation of Jason being a revenge monster something something created by society.
 
But for the love of god stay away from any Jason Goes to Hell fuckary.
I was wondering about this myself -- if they'll try to explain Jason as a genetic freak that naturally regenerates super fast (like in Jason X) or if they'll go the demonic route of GtH or just not try at all. Admittedly, they could get a lot of mileage out of adding a satanic element to the show, though I'd prefer they not.

In general for the show, with Fuller I'm almost expecting a darker, more played straight Serial Mom type thing.
 
I was wondering about this myself -- if they'll try to explain Jason as a genetic freak that naturally regenerates super fast (like in Jason X) or if they'll go the demonic route of GtH or just not try at all. Admittedly, they could get a lot of mileage out of adding a satanic element to the show, though I'd prefer they not.

In general for the show, with Fuller I'm almost expecting a darker, more played straight Serial Mom type thing.
Lets look at the world of Friday the 13th where we know for a fact that the following exists:

Hell exists as evidenced by Jason Goes to Hell and the opening to Jason X. If Hell exists then ergo Heaven exists, God and Satan and all that.

In the future, space colony's and magical medicine exists along with androids and cyborgs.

Telekinesis is real.

The dead can be brought back to life.

Freddy is real as well.

Also, the sewers in NYC flood with toxic waste at the strike of midnight...

TLDR: the supernatural exists. It's been my theory that Jason did indeed drown at Camp Crystal Lake but his mother's rampage -through supernatural means- brought him back.
 
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Lets look at the world of Friday the 13th where we know for a fact that the following exists:

Hell exists as evidenced by Jason Goes to Hell and the opening to Jason X.

In the future, space colony's and magical medicine exists along with androids and cyborgs.

Telekinesis is real.

The dead can be brought back to life.

Freddy is real as well.

Also, the sewers in NYC flood with toxic waste at the strike of midnight...

TLDR: the supernatural exists. It's been my theory that Jason did indeed drown at Camp Crystal Lake but his mother's rampage -through supernatural means- brought him back.
Fuller likes his supernatural and afterlife stuff (even in the more grounded Hannibal he's talked about writing Lector as Satan), so, yeah, I guess I wouldn't be surprised if the weirder elements of the franchise make it in.
 
Fuller likes his supernatural and afterlife stuff (even in the more grounded Hannibal he's talked about writing Lector as Satan), so, yeah, I guess I wouldn't be surprised if the weirder elements of the franchise make it in.
I thought that idea was more or less Madds' which is a take I agree with and separates him from Anthony Hopkins.

You could go nuts with a lot of these ideas. What if a small elite ala Martyrs (@Ebonic Tutor ) discover that Jason is immortal and that sets off this whole cult/religious bullshit that Jason proves the existence of God and other shit?
 
Don't know why some horror movies need to explain shit. How does it make a movie better knowing why Jason is like he is or why Freddy has his powers, 90% of the time the reason given will be dumb and just screams that they ran out of ideas.

Mean explaining every little thing turned Us from an alight movie to a trash one. It's not a plot hole to not explain everything.

Do we need to know why The Thing came to earth and what it's goal was?
Where the zombies came from in the George A Romeo Dead movies?
 
I thought that idea was more or less Madds' which is a take I agree with and separates him from Anthony Hopkins.
Back when the AVClub wasn't completely shit and Hannibal was still on air, they had interviews with Bryan Fuller for every episode (I think they stopped during season two). He talked about how the writing staff treated Hannibal like Satan, able to do stuff at the snap of a finger... but then would go back and come up with logical explanations when need be (the example I remember them using is the ear in Will's stomach in S1 and later when they needed to explain how he was able to get everywhere they came up with the tunnels under his house).
 
Don't know why some horror movies need to explain shit. How does it make a movie better knowing why Jason is like he is or why Freddy has his powers, 90% of the time the reason given will be dumb and just screams that they ran out of ideas.

Mean explaining every little thing turned Us from an alight movie to a trash one. It's not a plot hole to not explain everything.

Do we need to know why The Thing came to earth and what it's goal was?
Where the zombies came from in the George A Romeo Dead movies?
That is proper world building. That's how you create mythologies. It was done extremely well regarding Freddy. It gets more than a little convoluted by the time you get to Elm Street parts 4 and 5, sure, I can see that point. But it's still in line with the rules of that world. And it's still explained with Jason. We see how he comes back to life so it's not like he got chopped to bits and explicably survived by going into a healing coma or some bullshit. The only thing not explained with Jason is did he actually drown as a child or did he wander off and live off the land for 10+ years without anyone noticing?

The Thing still had some elements explained. We know it's an alien that crashed on Earth. We don't know if it's truly sentient or it's a parasite that works off of what it thinks humans act. And regarding the Dead series, the rules are still setup: the zombies can only be killed by obliterating the brain, anyone bitten will die and become a zombie in a matter of hours, anyone who dies in general can come back. It's not anything goes. There's rules.
 
The only thing not explained with Jason is did he actually drown as a child or did he wander off and live off the land for 10+ years without anyone noticing?
Writers of this series: "I'm so excited to explore the rich backstory of this iconic, genre-defining series and all of the multifaceted psychological archetypes that populate its narrative and world"

Writers of the movies: "Jason turns into a zombie when he gets struck by lightning, let's go home early I'm hungry"

I hope there's a scene where a young paramedic saves Jason from some bullies and gives him a hockey mask and says "this may come in handy someday kid", and that paramedic's name? ROY BURNS

Barbarian 6/10
oh shit now you've done it, you went there
 
Writers of this series: "I'm so excited to explore the rich backstory of this iconic, genre-defining series and all of the multifaceted psychological archetypes that populate its narrative and world"

Writers of the movies: "Jason turns into a zombie when he gets struck by lightning, let's go home early I'm hungry"

I hope there's a scene where a young paramedic saves Jason from some bullies and gives him a hockey mask and says "this may come in handy someday kid", and that paramedic's name? ROY BURNS


oh shit now you've done it, you went there
Reminds me of the documentary on the F13 franchise Crystal Lake Memories (which is the same name of a book going over the franchise) and pretty much everyone involved had a very "I don't give a fuck" attitude towards working on these movies including the producers and directors. It was just a paycheck to these guys. Compare and contrast with Never Sleep Again: The Elm Street Legacy (made by the same people behind Crystal Lake Memories) where everyone involved in making the Elm Street movies cared and wanted to contribute in creating something special.
 
Watched Terrifier 2, and I didn't like it. I really hated the first movie, just found it dull and Art the Clown to be extremely annoying. 2 however is a big step up in quality over the first movie even if I still didn't like it overall.

I do have to praise the use of their budget, the effects are good and for half million budget they really do have a lot of very different sets, way more than you would expect for a movie like this. However main area budget does come up lacking is how the movie looks, it a very digital looking movie where they have tried the mimic the look of a 70s low budget movie shot on film, however like most movies that try to mimic that look after the fact it just ends up not working.

Movie for sure has more of a story than the first movie, and that is a good improvement. None of the new characters are really awful outside the little brother but at the same time they do all feel very generic, which normally would be fine for a movie like this but at 140 minutes really does need more to them.

Main issue is the movie should have been 90 to 100 minutes, but is painfully dragged out to 140 minutes. So while I found myself some what liking the first part of the movie, that slowly turned to boredom, and by the time I got to the end I even found for the gore to be tiresome. I feel like every edit could have been done sooner, with many reaction shots in the movie being totally pointless. I really do wonder how much footage they left on the cutting room floor because it felt like they used everything.

They are planning a 3rd movie, if it is much of an improvement over the second as the second was over the first, I may just like it. But I kind of hope to see this team do a movie anyway from Art the Clown, as personalty he just doesn't work for me at all.
I feel the opposite, a bit. I liked the first movie, a good set of kills is mostly all I need for a slasher along with a simple plot, and I found Art entertaining. It's a nice, simple film about some deranged fucker that kills people and only the last minute has anything actually paranormal going on. Then the second movie comes and there's magical swords, prophetic visions, some ghost girl that follows Art around, teleportation(?), and some Mr. Crocker-looking kid that I really found annoying. I kept finding myself feeling bored and confused about why Art the Clown of all characters needed lore tied into him and was just anticipating whatever the next kill would be. I will agree it was way too fucking long, by the time they got to the carnival I had mostly checked out.

Also finally watched Halloween Ends while the forums were down and I was so disappointed. I had heard a lot of people hated it, but not many details as to why except it took ages for Michael to appear. I had no idea about Corey and his shitty romance plot that swallowed up 90% of the film. Like you could cut out a full hour, probably more, of the movie and literally nothing would change. Not to mention the dropped subplots like people picking at Michael's brain and the characters that did basically nothing. Also, why did Laurie not care that Michael, after murdering her daughter, was still at large? Made it seem like she just didn't give two fucks.
 
I watched the Texas Chainsaw Massacre series while in downtime and it was certainly a trip.

The original movie is a really great movie, and it actually made me genuinely uncomfortable at points. There was also a morbid sense of humor that was fun to see.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 may not be as terrifying as the first but it’s genuinely hilarious and I love all the goofy shit that went on in this movie, especially with Dennis Hopper acting like a nutcase along with the Sawyers being fun.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3 certainly exists.

The Next Generation is a retarded movie, but it’s better than at least two movies later in the series for actually having a better understanding in comparison.

The 2003 Remake was actually very good, and the performance by R. Lee Ermy really carried it. The prequel movie afterwards was just okay.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3D is dogshit for not understanding anything about what made Texas Chainsaw Massacre good by basically being a romanticization of the Sawyer family and Leatherface despite them being horrible people. There are so many problems and the only good thing about this movie was the set design in the beginning and Bill Moseley as Drayton.

Leatherface the prequel in the 3D timeline is almost as bad for continuing to make the Sawyers sympathetic and apparently Leatherface was some generic handsome dude. The movie also rips off The Devils Rejects.

The 2022 movie is just a dumb slasher film. It doesn’t have the family but it honestly would’ve worked better as a Friday the 13th movie with some adjustments. The Bus scene was the best part of this dumb movie. Though it really tried hard to rip off the 2018 Halloween.

To rank the films it’s simple

1. Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974)
2. Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2
3. Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2003)
4. Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning
5. Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3
6. Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2022)
7. Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation
8. Leatherface
9. Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3D

Anyway these films should’ve never really gone on past the original, or at most 2.

Also Drayton is the best Sawyer, he just wanted to run his small business and make chili.
 
I watched the Texas Chainsaw Massacre series while in downtime and it was certainly a trip.

The original movie is a really great movie, and it actually made me genuinely uncomfortable at points. There was also a morbid sense of humor that was fun to see.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 may not be as terrifying as the first but it’s genuinely hilarious and I love all the goofy shit that went on in this movie, especially with Dennis Hopper acting like a nutcase along with the Sawyers being fun.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3 certainly exists.

The Next Generation is a retarded movie, but it’s better than at least two movies later in the series for actually having a better understanding in comparison.

The 2003 Remake was actually very good, and the performance by R. Lee Ermy really carried it. The prequel movie afterwards was just okay.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3D is dogshit for not understanding anything about what made Texas Chainsaw Massacre good by basically being a romanticization of the Sawyer family and Leatherface despite them being horrible people. There are so many problems and the only good thing about this movie was the set design in the beginning and Bill Moseley as Drayton.

Leatherface the prequel in the 3D timeline is almost as bad for continuing to make the Sawyers sympathetic and apparently Leatherface was some generic handsome dude. The movie also rips off The Devils Rejects.

The 2022 movie is just a dumb slasher film. It doesn’t have the family but it honestly would’ve worked better as a Friday the 13th movie with some adjustments. The Bus scene was the best part of this dumb movie. Though it really tried hard to rip off the 2018 Halloween.

To rank the films it’s simple

1. Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974)
2. Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2
3. Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2003)
4. Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning
5. Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3
6. Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2022)
7. Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation
8. Leatherface
9. Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3D

Anyway these films should’ve never really gone on past the original, or at most 2.

Also Drayton is the best Sawyer, he just wanted to run his small business and make chili.
Have to mostly agree, only thing I disagree with is Beginning being that high, too much of a copy of the first remake
 
Have to mostly agree, only thing I disagree with is Beginning being that high, too much of a copy of the first remake
It’s more that the Beginning is better than the others, it’s not that great, but more enjoyable than 3 and 4, and all the films that came after it.
 
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