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I'm Not Racist Anymore said:
Because its the most creative the series has been in probably decades.
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- Nope. There's more creativity in turning the Myer's house into a roadside attraction and using found-footage cameras or remaking the series under a grindhouse thematic and tone, and they both ranged from meh to bad. This is no different.
- It's unoriginal as dirt. "What makes a person snap" is such a cliche and by-the-numbers attempt at psych 101. It's been done to death.
- It has no place in a Halloween film. Myers is literally the worst slasher icon to apply this cringe to. He does not have an MO nor a reason; he is pure evil. He cannot be reasoned with or bargained with. Rob Zombie tried to humanize Michael 15 years ago and it bit him in the ass.
- It's painfully executed. Why are you switching gears in the last act? You already committed to an angle; finish it. You don't swerve the audience with a payout that is completely lacking and antithesis to the franchise and current trilogy. It's akin to making everyone in Ends suddenly rock Osiris footwear and wear JNCO jeans while uttering 00's slang, and have the excuse for it be "hey it's creative and it subverts expectations!"

I'm Not Racist Anymore said:
Anything after 2018 was going to be bad, that's just reality.
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So which is it; is it bad or is it not?
"It's actually good but if you disagree hey it was always going to be bad" sounds like doublethink.

I'm Not Racist Anymore said:
I knew it once they inevitably announced Kills.
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They announced the trilogy before the 2018 film even began. The films were planned as a trilogy from pre-production because Blumhouse was interested in multiple films and because the original script had a longer, detailed story in mind.
The sequels were not tacked on as an afterthought. They were always meant to be there.

I'm Not Racist Anymore said:
Ends is intriguing and ballsy considering that the original objective was to ground Myers and bring him back to basics going into the 2018 film.
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Ok Brianna Wu.
 
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I'm Not Racist Anymore said:
Because its the most creative the series has been in probably decades. Anything after 2018 was going to be bad, that's just reality. I knew it once they inevitably announced Kills. Michael should've died in the 2018 film. Ends is bad but its entertaining, intriguing and ballsy considering that the original objective was to ground Myers and bring him back to basics going into the 2018 film.
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How is a generic "incel becomes killer because he was bullied" story creative? Just because it was in an established franchise doesn't make it creative since outside of the final fight this entire film could've literally just been about Incel Man copying a famous local serial killer.

For fuck's sake, there has been more weirdly creative shit like Busta Rhymes starting a livestream to then get in a kung fu fight with Myers, the weird Druid Cult shit, and the weird shit in Rob Zombie's movies.

Even then, being creative and subverting expectations doesn't automatically make anything good
 
I'm Not Racist Anymore said:
Because its the most creative the series has been in probably decades. Anything after 2018 was going to be bad, that's just reality. I knew it once they inevitably announced Kills. Michael should've died in the 2018 film. Ends is bad but its entertaining, intriguing and ballsy considering that the original objective was to ground Myers and bring him back to basics going into the 2018 film.
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This sounds like cope, sir.
 
Watched Halloween Ends, I overall liked it and would give it a 6/10 but understand why people are hating it. It is for sure a Halloween movie most people wouldn't want, mean first hour of the movie isn't even a slasher by any means.

Do like the slasher villain gets a apprentice idea would like to see another horror movie try it out with better success.
 
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Delving into SOV horror has lead me to, among other items, this typical sort of film:


Demon Queen, coming in at under an hour, with the sort of blood-spurting, flesh-rending, succubus attacks and zombies you could expect from one of these deals where there was no budget but plenty of ambition.
 
Commander X said:
Delving into SOV horror has lead me to, among other items, this typical sort of film:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Wo91jKaKltE
Demon Queen, coming in at under an hour, with the sort of blood-spurting, flesh-rending, succubus attacks and zombies you could expect from one of these deals where there was no budget but plenty of ambition.
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Donald Farmer. Dude is a hack but he admits to it at least. He started with a fanzine called Slime Time and graduated to making Z movies including an unofficial sequel to I Spit on Your Grave and is more well known now for making Shark Exorcist and dozens of other crap films.
 
Halloween Ends. I lowered my expectations through the ground and then watched Clerks 3 to lower my expectations further. It somewhat worked. Feels like some unused script that got repurposed as a Halloween movie. Best I can give it is 5 out of 10.
 
I went into Halloween Ends expecting a complete shitshow, and came out having watched a fairly mediocre movie. Surprised there wasn’t really any political message. Guess they scrapped the covid idea, which thank god they did. Overall, wasn’t that bad of a movie but I wish Michael appeared more.
 
feral cat #6385 said:
Halloween Ends. I lowered my expectations through the ground and then watched Clerks 3 to lower my expectations further. It somewhat worked. Feels like some unused script that got repurposed as a Halloween movie. Best I can give it is 5 out of 10.
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I'll be honest with you: I had a similar idea except it was a Friday the 13th movie and it proceeded like your typical F13 movie but -surprise- one of the counselors is a serial killer and/or pushed to the brink and kills someone just as Jason steps in. After that, the counselor becomes his sidekick. My idea is that it would proceed as usual but then the counselor is about to kill the children at the camp and Jason wouldn't allow that and goes after him. That's a call back to Part 6 Jason Lives where Jason completely ignored the children in favor of the counselors (of course, this kind of goes against part 4 where Jason goes after young Tommy Jarvis but you could argue if he intended to kill the child or just tie him somewhere as fanboys such as myself have done*).

And after seeing Halloween Ends it convinced me of what an absolute shit idea that was. But I do think the idea could have worked in a stand alone slasher movie not connected to any prior franchise.

*Personally, I think Jason fully intended on killing Tommy.
 
BrunoMattei said:
I'll be honest with you: I had a similar idea except it was a Friday the 13th movie and it proceeded like your typical F13 movie but -surprise- one of the counselors is a serial killer and/or pushed to the brink and kills someone just as Jason steps in. After that, the counselor becomes his sidekick. My idea is that it would proceed as usual but then the counselor is about to kill the children at the camp and Jason wouldn't allow that and goes after him. That's a call back to Part 6 Jason Lives where Jason completely ignored the children in favor of the counselors (of course, this kind of goes against part 4 where Jason goes after young Tommy Jarvis but you could argue if he intended to kill the child or just tie him somewhere as fanboys such as myself have done*).

And after seeing Halloween Ends it convinced me of what an absolute shit idea that was. But I do think the idea could have worked in a stand alone slasher movie not connected to any prior franchise.

*Personally, I think Jason fully intended on killing Tommy.
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I think if Halloween Ends went with the scream 2 idea it could’ve been good. So maybe Corey could’ve been a psychopath from the beginning and be inspired by Michael Myres, being his copycat. Instead they went with the partner killers idea which imo, doesn’t go as well. So maybe it could’ve gone like this: there’s a killer going around dressed up as Michael myres, and the audience thinks he’s Michael. Later the real Michael kills the fake one, and the rest of the movie has the real Michael. Something like that.
 
Product Placement said:
Jason should kill kids, those are the ones that "killed" him. Get him leaving werido kids that remind him of himself, but all kids nah.

Clearly Jason doesn't kill kids for rating reasons
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I don't think Jason ignoring kids (at least in Part 6) goes against the character. Mrs. Voorhees made it very clear that it was the counselors who didn't watch him being the reason why he drowned. She doesn't say that the other kids were responsible. There's the flashback in Freddy VS Jason where kids taunt him but it was deliberately OTT with counselors fucking right out in the open because it was a vision orchestrated by Freddy.

It's a big grey area.

Terrifier 2 still in the top 10 at the box office. So, expect a Terrifier 3 and 4. I had issues with it but I'd welcome another Terrifier movie over Blumhouse and woke crap.
 
Resunoit said:
I went into Halloween Ends expecting a complete shitshow, and came out having watched a fairly mediocre movie. Surprised there wasn’t really any political message. Guess they scrapped the covid idea, which thank god they did. Overall, wasn’t that bad of a movie but I wish Michael appeared more.
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Idk there’s still how the movie takes itself super seriously and their attempt at social commentary of “hmm what makes a killer”
 
Product Placement said:
Jason should kill kids, those are the ones that "killed" him. Get him leaving werido kids that remind him of himself, but all kids nah.

Clearly Jason doesn't kill kids for rating reasons
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Jason's shtick is that mentally he's literally retarded and childlike, and only kills because he thinks his mom wants him to. I think that'd go against that idea, but then again, the sequels were batshit crazy so it's not like they cared too much about the original intent.
Product Placement said:
Watched Halloween Ends, I overall liked it and would give it a 6/10 but understand why people are hating it. It is for sure a Halloween movie most people wouldn't want, mean first hour of the movie isn't even a slasher by any means.

Do like the slasher villain gets a apprentice idea would like to see another horror movie try it out with better success.
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The apprentice idea actually is fairly interesting, but it's another one of those weird shifts where they portrayed Michael as this mindless dumber-than-Jason killer who just stabs everyone he sees and tries to get to his house in 2018 and Kills, but then they have him hiding and willing to cooperate with some guy for revenge in the last one, something more in line with how he was in the original two. Despite that, and despite them not actually doing anything with it, it's still an interesting idea.
 
Resunoit said:
I went into Halloween Ends expecting a complete shitshow, and came out having watched a fairly mediocre movie. Surprised there wasn’t really any political message. Guess they scrapped the covid idea, which thank god they did. Overall, wasn’t that bad of a movie but I wish Michael appeared more.
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I was expecting a shit show like kills, but at least kills had some kick ass gore in it. This movie was boring and bad. If they did A New Beginning route with Cory killing Michael and becoming the new shape it would not have been bad. Instead we got a bad horror movie with the name of Halloween on it.
 
BiggerChungus said:
Jason's shtick is that mentally he's literally retarded and childlike, and only kills because he thinks his mom wants him to. I think that'd go against that idea, but then again, the sequels were batshit crazy so it's not like they cared too much about the original intent.

The apprentice idea actually is fairly interesting, but it's another one of those weird shifts where they portrayed Michael as this mindless dumber-than-Jason killer who just stabs everyone he sees and tries to get to his house in 2018 and Kills, but then they have him hiding and willing to cooperate with some guy for revenge in the last one, something more in line with how he was in the original two. Despite that, and despite them not actually doing anything with it, it's still an interesting idea.
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It was never confirmed he was retarded. Being a mongoloid does not immediately imply retardation.
 
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