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Product Placement said:
Kevin Smith wants to make Tusk 2, a follow up to his second worst movie only beat by Yoga Hosers which was already a follow up.
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Kevin Smith gets me as angry as Jordan Peele. They're both fucking horrible.
 
BrunoMattei said:
It's not like he's got anything better to do. No one liked the new Jay and Silent Bob film (for good reason because it was dog shit) or anything else he's done for about a decade. Clerks 3 is getting a limited release at best and that looks equally bad.
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It would be nice if he could do something like Red State again without the M. Night Shyamalan ending that film had.
 
White Devil said:
Legitimately have no hope for it. The remake was terrible garbage and I can't see this one being any better.
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I liked the remake quite a bit. I'm not hopeful about about the new one but I do kind of feel a need to see it, whereas Hellraiser '22 is going in the queue behind Candyman '21... I might see it someday, if I live way way longer than I hope I do.

BrunoMattei said:
I really believe New Nightmare is a victim of bad marketing. There's the title but there's also the trailers.
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There's that, and that the plot probably just sounded like a dumb idea for a movie to most viewers. In retrospect it seems to be mostly seen as a cool idea that didn’t turn out entirely well, but maybe it was a really bad idea that miraculously came out better than expected.
 
White Devil said:
I agree with most of your points but honestly I felt that New Nightmare was actually the scariest one since NOES II. Sure, part of the plot didn't make complete sense, the franchise was in a sort of decline since the horror boom of the 80s .....
Freddy felt threatening, he felt menacing, he felt fucking scary. Legitimately the last time he felt like that was in II before they turned him into a complete caricature and comedic relief.
All that aside, is New Nightmare a perfect movie? God no. It's not even a good movie by standards, but I enjoyed it, and others in this thread have enjoyed worse.
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BrunoMattei said:
I wouldn't say it's the worst in the series. Not by a long shot. Was a new direction needed? Hell yeah. But you have to respect the cannon and changes have to make some kind of sense. Shit, I have a New Nightmare Freddy toy on my shelf so there's definitely aspects of it that have held up.
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I really like New Nightmare, despite it's flaws. Like @White Devil says seeing Freddy be intimidating was really refreshing, having a good script from Cravens more mature hand gave us motivations and emotional payoffs, and the visual/design updates were interesting and fun.

The weaknesses that Bruno mentions, the sort of unclear foundations and fluid sense of reality are from a valid artistic space - but perhaps not perfectly executed. I can see what Craven was going for, with the mixing of dream and reality, the parallels to narrative and human experience, etc. He was trying to explore how we use stories and narrative to define reality and the demarcation of abstracts, to conquer forces of nature and inevitably like death or time by converting and restraining them into an anthropomorphic framework that falls within human comprehension - mortality is Death with cloak and scythe, evil is the Boogeyman, etc. This is the mirror of the dream/waking duality, where dreams are unfettered and fluid, unconstrained until manifested and 'contained' by our waking discussion or documentation in a journal or script. This is a more expansive, and better structured exploration of the dream concept like we've seen in Phantasm, but it still falls short. I'm personally conflicted, I don't know if dealing with Kruger helped by pre-packaging the dream concept or hurt by the conflicts with the 'rules' of prior films.

In favor of latter, I think is further complicated by the meta nature of having the nested narratives with the actors playing themselves playing their characters. In many ways I really think that New Nightmare was almost a Beta test version of Scream, Cravens first foray into the self aware zeitgeist of the 90's that dominated horror for decades. Such a topic is deserving of it's own movie all by itself (see the later success of Scream) and it's clear that after New Nightmare Craven decided to focus on this aspect for his next project.

Ultimately I feel like New Nightmare was an overly ambitious project that just really struggled to deliver on its two themes that seem to duel for primacy. It's a good movie, but I'm frustrated by it's unrealized potential to adequately explore those dual themes. After the films failure, Craven took one of those themes, meta self awareness, and dedicated an entire film (and franchise) to it. I just wish he had done the same for the other thematic concept.
 
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trent said:
Kevin Smith is over-rated as fuck. He made some films in the 90s that captured the essence of the time really well but were only mediocre and he has coasted on his reputation since then.

Also, he's a total fucking dork as a person.
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I like Clerks 2. Otherwise I 100% agree. Dude missed his calling as a stand up comic.
 
JohnDoe said:
I can't restrict myself solely to political shitposting, sometimes a man has to branch out and effortpost.
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I agree but it's hard to on mobile. So many things I'd like to sperg over but so little time and such a small screen to thumb tap.
 
White Devil said:
I agree but it's hard to on mobile. So many things I'd like to sperg over but so little time and such a small screen to thumb tap.
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Get a portable Bluetooth keyboard, the folding ones are hardly bigger than your phone when stored.
 
trent said:
Kevin Smith is over-rated as fuck. He made some films in the 90s that captured the essence of the time really well but were only mediocre and he has coasted on his reputation since then.

Also, he's a total fucking dork as a person.
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He's not so overrated now that everyone knows he sucks. The insane thing is that he used to be seen as a promising up and coming indie filmmaker and not the future director of the communist He-Man revival.
 
Calandrino said:
He's not so overrated now that everyone knows he sucks. The insane thing is that he used to be seen as a promising up and coming indie filmmaker and not the future director of the communist He-Man revival.
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And don't forget that he's balding like crazy and he keeps sperging out on social media.
 
I watched The Cloverfield Paradox last night, and now I wish I could dunk J.J. Abrams' head in a toilet.

"Forget the preceding two hours (which were just a ripoff of Event Horizon), here's an even bigger Clover monster so we can say you weren't lied to about it being Cloverfield! And now everything is retconned with muh multiverse!"
 
WhiskeyJack said:
Speaking of hack directors, anyone seen “Nope”?
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Watched it a few days ago, I was surprised that I liked it as much as I did seeing how his two previous films felt bland.

I got fed up with Get Out very quickly because it started reminding me of The Skeleton Key early on and then having the same plot device.

Us had the right amount of creepyness that comes with a home invasion movie, but the reveal on what the antagonists were was just too distracting for me, even with the required suspension of disbelief there were just too many things that didn't make sense.

Nope on the other hand presented something familiar, then it added a twist and it turned into less of a horror film and more into an adventure film in the vein of Tremors or Jaws. I probably found it entertaining because it made me think of the implications it presented, such as how history passes down information and how people in the past might have confused the ufos as angels or that while the ufo attacks when being looked at doesn't mean it only eats when its looked at., just the speed and silence alone makes its hunting behavior terrifying

BrunoMattei said:
Big question: is this Freddy that's killing actors in the real world or is this some other entity utilizing his visage and everything? If it's Freddy then why are the rules wishy washy and why does he look different? If it's an entity then why is it playing by Freddy's rules?
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As I remember it: There is an evil entity that goes around killing people, throughout history people have been able to contain it in stories. Once the entity is contained it can only exist in the world of fiction.

The catch? Once the story becomes boring, people no longer tell it and it starts being forgotten the containment starts failing and the entity starts breaking free, but while the story remains in human conciousness (even if interest wanes) the entity will still be locked in the form assigned to it within the story.

Think of Pennywise in IT and how it has to play by the rules assigned to its current form. Craven, within the film, even theorizes that the entity has started to believe itself to be Freddy.

So during the film the entity was stuck using Freddy's M.O. plus some new abilities due to the weakening of the story (ie. Earthquakes, mind control) the only threats were the attempts at reviving the franchise so he went after the people involved in them, but particularly the actress that was his original adversary.
 
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