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Unpopular opinion, but I liked Alien 3 and I think it's at least better than Joss Whedon's trainwreck that is Alien: Resurrection or the AVP movies.

Aliens is still the best entry in the series though.
I unironically enjoyed Resurrection. Maybe because it was silly as hell and I have a soft spot for kinda bad movies. Idk it gave me a lot of feel good nostalgia for the 2000s when I watched it a few months ago.

I watched all Alien + AVP + Predator movies back to back and it weirdly ended up being my favourite of the bunch.
 
Unpopular opinion, but I liked Alien 3 and I think it's at least better than Joss Whedon's trainwreck that is Alien: Resurrection or the AVP movies.

Aliens is still the best entry in the series though.
I liked Resurrection but the novel was actually better than the movie. I consider it an irrelevant space station romp and not a serious Alien movie so it's easier to digest I guess.

What do you like about A3? Not knocking you for it, I don't think it was bad enough to think anyone is crazy for liking it, I just didn't.

Also, all the AVP movies are garbage.
 
So I had never seen any version of Alien 3, and for some reason I decided to watch the Assembly Cut/Special Edition today. I'm not sure I can say anything that hasn't been said. Awesome nihilistic tone, the film looks great, the cast is good, the script is pretty solid. The first half especially is fantastic... and the film overstays its welcome in the second half, though it's still pretty good. Not scary, but tense and original, and that's good enough.

And I wish the wooden convent planet script had been made instead, but... eh, the Assembly Cut is fine. Maybe I'll watch the theatrical version at some point.
Disclaimer: any discussion of Alien 3 will summon me. It's my 2nd favorite of the series after the first film. With Aliens just behind that one.

The original Vincent Ward script would have been interesting but that one also had issues such as there being multiple Aliens and the embryo inside Ripley would be forced out via exorcism in the finale, and the still born chestburster would climb inside another monk's mouth so Ripley can get her happy ending.
Honestly, it's really hard to make Alien 3 into a good movie, even with that cut. Sigourney didn't even want to do it but they gave her a dump truck full of money.
A little bit of 50/50 there. Yeah, she wanted the money but she wanted closure for the character that's why she wanted her character to die. The producers also acquiesced to her request that there be no guns which is something she requested in Aliens. Thankfully, Cameron vetoed her. She also wanted a scene where she fucked the Alien but that was saved (and heavily implied) in Resurrection.
 
Unpopular opinion, but I liked Alien 3 and I think it's at least better than Joss Whedon's trainwreck that is Alien: Resurrection or the AVP movies.

Aliens is still the best entry in the series though.
I could've done without Alien 3 undoing the ending of Aliens.

It will get rave fucking reviews and people won't stop talking about it, but it looks like a super fucking heavy handed feminist message about how men are evil who constantly try to keep women down. Which is why the reviews will rave but I think I'll pass.

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Play it for laughs and I think that idea's a keeper
 
I always recommend the audible audio dramas if you want more Alien content and like radio plays. Full voice acting and sound effects, based on three of the novels. I enjoyed them a lot. They also have the unproduced William Gibson script of Alien 3 as a drama.
 
I always recommend the audible audio dramas if you want more Alien content and like radio plays. Full voice acting and sound effects, based on three of the novels. I enjoyed them a lot. They also have the unproduced William Gibson script of Alien 3 as a drama.
I read the comic adaptation and tbqh it was pretty bad. The only thing I liked about it was the idea that a facehugger emerges from Bishop's torso. It explains where the egg came from on the Sulaco and makes sense that the Queen would have some kind of egg-creation material in it's tail.
 
I read the comic adaptation and tbqh it was pretty bad. The only thing I liked about it was the idea that a facehugger emerges from Bishop's torso. It explains where the egg came from on the Sulaco and makes sense that the Queen would have some kind of egg-creation material in it's tail.
Apparently the audio drama is based off the second draft of the script versus the first draft that is in the comic and they differ quite a bit. It's been a while since I listened to it, but I didnt find it all that exceptional either. I can see why they didn't go with his ideas on that one.
 
Just watched Zombi 3/Zombie Flesh Eaters 2. What happens when Lucio Fulci watches Return of the Living Dead, decides to make his own version, gets ill halfway through and it's finished off by Bruno Mattei and the writer of Troll 2? The type of film that can only be described in bullet points, since it features:

- zombies that randomly switch between being shamblers to lightning fast, braindead to being able to set ambushes and use weapons, and mute to talking.

- the military immediately deciding the spread is out of control and everyone in the area must be killed.

- everything looking like the post-apocalypse, despite the outbreak only starting a few hours ago.

- zombie birds, which are never seen again after one scene.

- gravity defying zombie heads in fridges.

- a woman who gives birth to a full grown zombie arm.

- another woman who falls into a swimming pool, then emerges straight away as a legless zombie.

- the tragic finale where the protagonist is killed by the military as they think he's a zombie, despite the fact they've been shooting everyone on site until this point.

There are so, so many bad horror films out there, but this is one of the few that is so bad that it's good.
 
Just watched Zombi 3/Zombie Flesh Eaters 2. What happens when Lucio Fulci watches Return of the Living Dead, decides to make his own version, gets ill halfway through and it's finished off by Bruno Mattei and the writer of Troll 2? The type of film that can only be described in bullet points, since it features:

- zombies that randomly switch between being shamblers to lightning fast, braindead to being able to set ambushes and use weapons, and mute to talking.

- the military immediately deciding the spread is out of control and everyone in the area must be killed.

- everything looking like the post-apocalypse, despite the outbreak only starting a few hours ago.

- zombie birds, which are never seen again after one scene.

- gravity defying zombie heads in fridges.

- a woman who gives birth to a full grown zombie arm.

- another woman who falls into a swimming pool, then emerges straight away as a legless zombie.

- the tragic finale where the protagonist is killed by the military as they think he's a zombie, despite the fact they've been shooting everyone on site until this point.

There are so, so many bad horror films out there, but this is one of the few that is so bad that it's good.
The production behind that one is more interesting than the movie itself. The problem was that the producer demanded that Fulci use a script by Claudio (Troll 2) Fragasso. Fulci and his daughter tried in vain to fix it and he realized it was pointless and stopped giving a fuck. The only scene he personally took credit for was the flying zombie head.

Mattei and Fragasso started shooting more footage when Fulci left due to his illness in the Philippine heat and just hating the production. Mattei shot the footage with the birds and Fragasso shot footage of the military men in white jump suits shooting random zombies.
 
Did anyone watch The Colour Out of Space? I hated because it was too much like a torture porn. You're not supposed to make the audience feel as miserable as the characters. The only saving grace were the effects and Nicholas Cage.
 
Did anyone watch The Colour Out of Space? I hated because it was too much like a torture porn. You're not supposed to make the audience feel as miserable as the characters. The only saving grace were the effects and Nicholas Cage.
I apparently missed the "torture porn" (can we please retire this phrase already?) part because I thought it was boring as shit with fleetingly good effects coming off as a low budget knock off of The Thing and a total waste of Nicholas Cage.

The director was later metood'd as an abuser and that ended his comeback with this film.
 
Yeah I basically felt the same way about the movie as Bruno did but in a manlier way
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Inspired by a recent reading choice, I returned to another horror novel I had read that deals with mid-20th century exploitation filmmaking, which seems like a ripe setting for a horror story.

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From rock musician Greg Kihn came his '97 debut.

Hollywood, 1996. When Monster Magazine reporter Clint Stockbern sets out to interview the legendary '50s horror movie director Landis Woodley, he uncovers a bizarre story of real-life horror.

Flashback to Hollywood, 1957. Woodley is shooting his latest zombie movie, Cadaver, in a real morgue when he has a brainstorm that will help him pinch some pennies. But when zombie make-up effects are replaced by real corpses, a deadly curse begins to take its toll on those foolish enough to become involved with the filming of the soon-to-be cult classic, Cadaver.
Landis Woodley was a once "legendary" horror film-maker responsible for such no budget Grade Z drive-in schlock like I Married A Vampire, Blood Ghouls Of Malibu, Attack Of The Haunted Saucer ("The worst movie of all time" - The New Yorker), The Mummy's Brain, Slave To The Sadist, Satan's Daughter, Hot Rod Monster, Snuff Addict (did it contain a real murder?), Big Rock Beat (a flop) and late entry Cold Flesh Eaters ("rarely seen"). The controversial aftermath after the release of Cadaver sent his career even further downward, reduced to making "skin flicks, peep-show loops, and worse" before finally quitting. He's not made a movie in decades and now festers in his decrepit Hollywood Hills house with just his pet bats and a couple of owls for company. Everyone has forgotten about him, except horror nerd Clint Stockbern. Stockbern has managed to interview most of his heroes, but he views Woodley as a challenge, especially as the grizzled geezer won't talk until Clint pays him $600 from his own pocket.

Woodley begins to talk about his salad days, he and his cast and crew of regulars, a collection of has-beens, never-weres, never-will-bes, movie biz fringe dwellers, the blacklisted and so on. These included his co-conspirator, special effects man and fellow alcoholic Buzzy Haller. Screenwriter Neil Bugmuir, the cross-dressing ex-Marine who dreamed up the original script for the notorious Cadaver. The two biggest actors in his stable: Jonathon Luboff, once a handsome matinee idol, now a heroin addict slumming for decades in moronic creature-features and Tad Kingston, a 30ish failed rock 'n roller turned "teen" matinee idol with no discernible acting ability but he has "movie star quality" hair.

They were both going nowhere fast. One a dying shooting star, on it's last crash through the atmosphere, destined to burn out long before it hit the ground, and the other a cheap skyrocket, hopelessly trying to compete with real celestial bodies.

Woodley is a hustler with ambitions, to show those studio fatcats what a guy with no budget whose movies still pack the kids into the drive-ins and movie houses can do. Cadaver he feels is the shocker that will make people stand up and take notice of him.

"What about an ending?" Neil asked.
Landis smiled. Leaning back in his chair, he said. "Don't need one. There is no ending. The cadavers win. No explanation, no nothing. They win, period."
"Bleak. Fatalistic," Neil droned. "Horror show noir."
"Uh-huh," Landis concluded. "Just like life."

Best of all, Wooley finally comes clean to Clint about the Cadaver shoot in the LA County Morgue after hours. It was Buzzy who figured how to open the morgue drawers while no attendants were around. Removing a particularly gamey corpse, he worked it like a marionette. Never again would Landis Woodley get to shoot such horrifying footage. He still has a reel of out-takes. He still has a copy of all the material dropped at the censor's insistence. Then there was all of the unpleasantness that followed the making of the movie, including the rumors of a curse on the cast and crew...

There came the sequel, Big Rock Beat.

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1967: After having been out of the directing business for awhile, a badly aged Woodley, forced to make a living writing up short stories for men's magazines and cheap private eye novels has been hired for a directing gig by his old producer Sol Kravitz. It's a dubious low-budget beach rock musical funded by a group of investors headed up by a sleazy record producer. Beach bunnies, racing cars, drugs, monsters and musical acts provided by the producer's record label. True, you couldn't shoot a TV show episode on the budget laid out for this movie which mostly exists as a showcase for the label's acts, but if anyone knows how to stretch a dollar, it's Woodley. He rounds up who is left of his old crew and gets to working.

A few kinks work their way into the production, such as Woodley's cousin Beau and his band getting swept up into it, or the producers ending up making a deal for funding with a Mexican gangster called "El Diabolo" who insists on putting his sinister nephew in charge - who in turn insists on details like a custom car's inclusion in the movie, a odd looking vehicle supposedly rebuilt from James Dean's death car...
 
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I watched the 2019 remake of Cronenberg's Rabid. Something something never send a woman (or women in this case) to do a man's job. What a boring remake. It has some good makeup but it's sooooooooooo slow and cliche. Does it deviate much from the original? No. Plus it takes almost an hour for the carnage to start compared to the original that got to it pretty quickly. You know, roughly 20-30 minutes before you see some gore and the escalation of violence. When the gore kicks in at roughly the hour mark it's pretty good gore so I give it that much. But it has a very start and stop pacing once we finally see some carnage where you just end up not caring anymore.

An overlong and boring remake that doesn't bring much to the table. The Soska Sisters are overrated hacks and I'm convinced that they fucked their way to the top.
 
Is it just me or have established horror IPs leaned heavily in the social commentary? Examples include the "evil dies tonight" mob scene from Halloween Kills and the latest Candyman sequel that introduced any black man murdered by white racists, including real people as the ending showed, becomes part of the "hive" and the Candyman legend (so the final scene from the original film where Helen is now the new killer is nullified).

I'm not saying that horror movies shouldn't have a social/political message. I'm just saying they should not be blatant and beat you over the head with why x is bad. Maybe it's just going in the other direction of what the 80s slashers did where anyone who did drugs, drank, and/or had sex ended up on the chopping block (with a few exceptions). And if new installments of horror franchises don't have overt social commentary, they have cringe dialogue related to the current period ("Try anything and you're cancelled, bro").
 
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Has anyone every watched Starry Eyes. I enjoyed it and thought it was a good horror movie. It's story becomes ironic a few years after it came out with all the metoo stuff in Hollywood revealed.
Also features my horror waifu as lead. She's fucking great and she needs to go back to making more horror flicks and less old grandma make up tbh.

And yeah it's really good, the ending is fucking brutal.
 
Has anyone every watched Starry Eyes. I enjoyed it and thought it was a good horror movie. It's story becomes ironic a few years after it came out with all the metoo stuff in Hollywood revealed.
I thought it started well and then lost all momentum after she blew the old guy.
 
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