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Watching Alien for tonight's feature, it's a damn shame with the exception of Aliens in 86. None of the films made in the 40 years since can hold a candle to this simple little ridley scott project that was meant to be "the anti star wars," and was called "Halloween in space," in it's day. I say that as someone who finds the post aliens sequels ranging from ok to so bad their hilarious. Even covenant was at least trying to capture the spirit of the older films, but was held back because in the years since Scott has become a total, pompous, windbag with his pretention and ego badly over inflated. Eh, it still tried harder than the predator.
 
horrorfan89 said:
Watching Alien for tonight's feature, it's a damn shame with the exception of Aliens in 86. None of the films made in the 40 years since can hold a candle to this simple little ridley scott project that was meant to be "the anti star wars," and was called "Halloween in space," in it's day. I say that as someone who finds the post aliens sequels ranging from ok to so bad their hilarious. Even covenant was at least trying to capture the spirit of the older films, but was held back because in the years since Scott has become a total, pompous, windbag with his pretention and ego badly over inflated. Eh, it still tried harder than the predator.
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I love Alien 3 Assembly Cut and I really liked Covenant.
 
BrunoMattei said:
I love Alien 3 Assembly Cut and I really liked Covenant.
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Covenant's ok (the idea of flaming homo jessie smollet trying to play a straight man never ceases to amuse me) I'm just saying Scott's ego and pretention have gotten so bad in recent years. Like did Prometheus NEED to open with David being brought to life and getting into a philosophical discussion regarding the nature of the creator of the universe while playing a piano?

Kinda off topic but it's probably a good thing he didn't direct blade runner 2049.
 
horrorfan89 said:
did kills really have an blm imagrey though? aside that one scene with the protestors that from what ive heard wasn't even racially motivated but rather civil disobedicance at the Haddonfield police for being inept at stopping Michael?
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Oats12345 said:
Yeah I don't understand that either. Since the mob in the movie had nothing to do with racially stuff and were mad that the cops weren't doing enough to stop Michael

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Also the mob doesn't do shit but lead to the death of that one mental patient who for some reason the residents thought was Michael even through Michael's a fucking giant! And had his face showing on the news previously. The final mob scene doesn't do shit either as Michael slaughters them in the end. Also agin there's no racially context to it either. So I don't know how that's a BLM allegory? At least not for it. The message I got was rage mobs suck!!!!!
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Nope, nothing at all, but they still tried to shoehorn all of that shit into the messaging of the movie even though it was all filmed before the Floyd protests and shit.

At least we're lucky they didn't try to say that the Hospital Scenes were about the most tragic day of our history, January 6th.

After the first Halloween I was thinking it might be a really good thing if the medium was taken seriously by "mainstream" actors and they would get larger budgets to actually film good shit that's respectful to the genre.

Between Halloween Kills, Jordan Peele's shitty output and fucking Spiral, lmao please no keep horror into the hands of the shitty weird deviants please.
 
horrorfan89 said:
did kills really have an blm imagrey though? aside that one scene with the protestors that from what ive heard wasn't even racially motivated but rather civil disobedicance at the Haddonfield police for being inept at stopping Michael?
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Was that mental patient really "innocent" anyway?

Remember in the last movie when the crazy doctor warned the the dude in the beginning not to get near that guy with untied shoelaces, and not to underestimate anybody there?

 
Gaear Grimsrud said:
Was that mental patient really "innocent" anyway?

Remember in the last movie when the crazy doctor warned the the dude in the beginning not to get near that guy with untied shoelaces, and not to underestimate anybody there?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7qhNVDPZ-0I:28
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You'd think that'd be setting up the possibility that all the patients are deranged and dangerous but nope. You know there's a Friday the 13th novel out there called First church of the the psychopath, Interesting read it's basically asking "what if Jason was worshipped as a god by other loonies?" Really a film like Halloween could probably work going with that idea....hopefully better than the last time they tried to include cults in the series though.
 
That's why I kept imagining that after the guy said 'It's not Michael, look at what he turned us into' so somberly that there was someone in the crowd who took out his phone used google and went 'Yeah he raped like 5 kids and wore their skins as a suit' and the crowd shrugging then going 'EVIL! DIED! TONIGHT! EVIL! DIED! TONIGHT!'

Literally all of the people on that bus were described as extremely dangerous mental patients, it's not like it was Garcia the illegal immigrant Janitor with a 4 year old girl with leukemia and no insurance they pushed to his death
 
horrorfan89 said:
You'd think that'd be setting up the possibility that all the patients are deranged and dangerous but nope. You know there's a Friday the 13th novel out there called First church of the the psychopath, Interesting read it's basically asking "what if Jason was worshipped as a god by other loonies?" Really a film like Halloween could probably work going with that idea....hopefully better than the last time they tried to include cults in the series though.
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The book was called "Church of the Divine Psychopath." I love the concept behind that one.

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BrunoMattei said:
The book was called "Church of the Divine Psychopath." I love the concept behind that one.

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my bad, damn that title sounds way better than what i thought it was. But yeah the idea that Michael is worshipped by crazies, lunatics, outcasts ect and wanna be like him, become him. There's a neat idea there that really should be looked into more.
 
Internet War Criminal said:
That's why I kept imagining that after the guy said 'It's not Michael, look at what he turned us into' so somberly that there was someone in the crowd who took out his phone used google and went 'Yeah he raped like 5 kids and wore their skins as a suit' and the crowd shrugging then going 'EVIL! DIED! TONIGHT! EVIL! DIED! TONIGHT!'

Literally all of the people on that bus were described as extremely dangerous mental patients, it's not like it was Garcia the illegal immigrant Janitor with a 4 year old girl with leukemia and no insurance they pushed to his death
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Actually you make a good point. I'm pretty sure all those patients on the bus were stated to be dangerous. So why Karen of all people were giving the guy a sympathy point? Is beyond me. Ok that's funny to imagine the scene after that being what you said above.
 
Calandrino said:
Still a better idea than Halloween Resurrection
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Eh that's what the critics were calling it but only because they didn't have anything to compare it to at the time. Really watching them back to back they're not all that similar to each other. Alien DOES use some conventions of the on the rise in popularity slasher movies of the time but only on a surface level at best.

As i said Scott was more trying to make "The anti star wars," Or a dark counterpart to Kubrick's 2001 a space odyssey.
 
horrorfan89 said:
You'd think that'd be setting up the possibility that all the patients are deranged and dangerous but nope. You know there's a Friday the 13th novel out there called First church of the the psychopath, Interesting read it's basically asking "what if Jason was worshipped as a god by other loonies?" Really a film like Halloween could probably work going with that idea....hopefully better than the last time they tried to include cults in the series though.
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I've read it. Got that whole series.

These are very rare now.

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Hell Lake is the worst one.

There's some interesting concepts in it, but it's a mess.

Jason actually shoots somebody with a rifle. A rifle that he materialized in his hands out of thin air. It's a long story.
 
horrorfan89 said:
I know the first one has a fan made audibook on YouTube
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EdQdywWMgFc
Holy crap that's actually Kane Hodder doing the intro!? You see that is why he is my personal fave Jason. The man is just passionate about the series even after all these years.
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I know Hodder is awsome. Why do you think he does the hatchet series? It's all one big call back to the 80s horror movies
 
Oats12345 said:
Actually you make a good point. I'm pretty sure all those patients on the bus were stated to be dangerous. So why Karen of all people were giving the guy a sympathy point? Is beyond me. Ok that's funny to imagine the scene after that being what you said above.
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It's funny because at first I thought they were going into a completely different way with that scene.

The two major things we knew going in that scene is that 1) Laurie's daughter is the opposite of her mother (naive and trusting vs paranoid) and 2) everyone on that bus was a dangerous psychopath.

I though they were setting her up, that when she touched his hand he would pull her to him and either take her as a hostage or even kill her, sending Laurie down an even bigger spiral of 'See we need to fucking kill everything even possibly evil there's no helping those people' or at the very least force her daughter to realize she should stop being such a positive cunt and realize that fucking crazy evil exists, you can't save everyone, and get onboard the murder train.


Nigga i could make movies so much better than the shit Hollywood is churning nowadays get me $50m and a casting couch pronto.
 
Internet War Criminal said:
It's funny because at first I thought they were going into a completely different way with that scene.

The two major things we knew going in that scene is that 1) Laurie's daughter is the opposite of her mother (naive and trusting vs paranoid) and 2) everyone on that bus was a dangerous psychopath.

I though they were setting her up, that when she touched his hand he would pull her to him and either take her as a hostage or even kill her, sending Laurie down an even bigger spiral of 'See we need to fucking kill everything even possibly evil there's no helping those people' or at the very least force her daughter to realize she should stop being such a positive cunt and realize that fucking crazy evil exists, you can't save everyone, and get onboard the murder train.


Nigga i could make movies so much better than the shit Hollywood is churning nowadays get me $50m and a casting couch pronto.
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Would have been interesting scene. Showing that Myers isn't the only manic out there.
 
horrorfan89 said:
did kills really have an blm imagrey though? aside that one scene with the protestors that from what ive heard wasn't even racially motivated but rather civil disobedicance at the Haddonfield police for being inept at stopping Michael?
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It didn't, but Jamie Lee Curtis and several other people connected to the film used the promotional media tour to jerk themselves off about how prescient and relevant the film was because they were projecting their current idpol obsessions onto unrelated scenes from the film. These people are too far up their own asses to let their movies be "mere" entertainment. Even our dumb slasher movies have to be progressive agitprop with all of the subtlety of the Christian tax write off DVDs clogging up the WalMart bargain bins. And now they're bragging that they've scrapped the original Kills plans in order to actually shoehorn this bullshit in the script for real this time.
 
F_Break said:
It didn't, but Jamie Lee Curtis and several other people connected to the film used the promotional media tour to jerk themselves off about how prescient and relevant the film was because they were projecting their current idpol obsessions onto unrelated scenes from the film. These people are too far up their own asses to let their movies be "mere" entertainment. Even our dumb slasher movies have to be progressive agitprop with all of the subtlety of the Christian tax write off DVDs clogging up the WalMart bargain bins. And now they're bragging that they've scrapped the original Kills plans in order to actually shoehorn this bullshit in the script for real this time.
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I'm kinda Glad Deborah Hill isn't alive to see this.
 
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