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Anyone here ever watch the Mr. Vampire series? I watched a few of the movies way back in college, and I remember liking the first and second one well enough. The movies are Kung fu/horror/comedy films that deal with Jiang Shi, Chinese monsters that are a sort of combination of vampires and zombies. I specifically remember the first one being the best one. I've been looking for in region DVDs, but I can't find anything reasonably priced anywhere. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places, but that tends to be my experience with finding certain Kung Fu movies and Eastern horror movies in general.
 
BrunoMattei said:
I think you're splitting hairs. This dude has been shot and burned to fuck and back and he's still going. Even if you ignore parts 2-8 and just focus on the first film and the new continuity he still has taken a fucking beating and still fucking going. If he's not superhuman then what in the fuck is he?
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I mean the writers have straight up said that he's not meant to be supernatural, so I figured they just made him into some huge autist who doesn't feel pain or has a very high tolerance for it and his single minded in his pursuit of shit (but still needs to lie down and recuperate from the shit he's gone through).

That's definitely how he was portrayed if you go according to either H1 -> H2 or H1 -> H18

It's clear that in both H2 and H18, Michael was supposed to be dead. Shit, he's not even part of H3 and would have been out of the franchise forever if people hadn't thrown a shit fit because they didn't want a weird halloween anthology, they wanted The Shape stabbing people. Then all the weird druid cult shit changed him from something human to something else....

However, if you wipe all of those movies from existence, there is absolutely no indication whatsoever that there's anything supernatural going on. Michael is just a massive, murder minded killing machine. A human white shark. Who can get cut and stabbed and hurt, but it's gonna take more than it would a normal person to take him down.
 
Internet War Criminal said:
However, if you wipe all of those movies from existence, there is absolutely no indication whatsoever that there's anything supernatural going on. Michael is just a massive, murder minded killing machine. A human white shark. Who can get cut and stabbed and hurt, but it's gonna take more than it would a normal person to take him down.
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I don't think we saw the same movies, mang.

Okay, all of the injuries he took in the 1st movie are survivable, no matter how implausible. Stabbed in the eye, stabbed in the neck, falling 2 stories and getting shot 6 times ("I shot him 6 times!"). All of that, okay, maybe you can walk away from that.

Then you get to the new timeline where he is shot and stabbed repeatedly. Not to mention surviving smoke inhalation and a scorching fire.

Come on, man.
 
BrunoMattei said:
I don't think we saw the same movies, mang.

Okay, all of the injuries he took in the 1st movie are survivable, no matter how implausible. Stabbed in the eye, stabbed in the neck, falling 2 stories and getting shot 6 times ("I shot him 6 times!"). All of that, okay, maybe you can walk away from that.

Then you get to the new timeline where he is shot and stabbed repeatedly. Not to mention surviving smoke inhalation and a scorching fire.

Come on, man.
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That's my point. At the end of H18, he's supposed to be dead. All of his worse injuries all happened in the house after Laurie fucked with him, and when he's in the basement, he's supposed to be done and burning to death... and if the movie hadn't made a shit ton of money, that would have been it.

Now, it made a ton of money so they went 'lol fuck it people won't remember what they just saw' and turned him into something else. That's the biggest problem of HK imo. It's acting as if the last movie didn't just happen, and the rules of H1 and H18 are completely irrelevant.

At no point in H1, H2 or H18 are we meant to believe there's no way that Michael can't die.
 
Internet War Criminal said:
That's my point. At the end of H18, he's supposed to be dead. All of his worse injuries all happened in the house after Laurie fucked with him, and when he's in the basement, he's supposed to be done and burning to death... and if the movie hadn't made a shit ton of money, that would have been it.

Now, it made a ton of money so they went 'lol fuck it people won't remember what they just saw' and turned him into something else. That's the biggest problem of HK imo. It's acting as if the last movie didn't just happen, and the rules of H1 and H18 are completely irrelevant.

At no point in H1, H2 or H18 are we meant to believe there's no way that Michael can't die.
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So, because the movie made money he's not supernatural? I don't follow the logic.
 
No, that's the opposite. If the movie hadn't been successful, that would have been the death of Michael.

Since the movie was a smash success and they needed a trilogy, now they've turned him supernatural, that was the only way he could survive that fire and those injuries from H18, or all the shit in HK.
 
Internet War Criminal said:
No, that's the opposite. If the movie hadn't been successful, that would have been the death of Michael.

Since the movie was a smash success and they needed a trilogy, now they've turned him supernatural, that was the only way he could survive that fire and those injuries from H18, or all the shit in HK.
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But you could say about that any franchise you pencil necked geek. Seriously.
 
BrunoMattei said:
But you could say about that any franchise you pencil necked geek. Seriously.
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Try saying that about this franchise, you tranny loving slob

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Fact is, they said that Michael was human, they were rebooting the series because they wanted to move away from the retardation that happened post Halloween (they even said that the fact that Laurie was Michael's sister was a retarded twist) and they wanted him human etc... and that's how they wrote the first movie. then they saw the piles of cash with doing another couple of movies and they jumped in even if it meant going back on their idea that Michael was just a normal (but crazy and huge) human being.

It's not something that happens in every franchise. They might retcon shit, but Saw or Scream or whatever never went 'Turns out the normal human killer in our movie that has no supernatural undertones whatsoever is now an immortal bullet sponge lol' in the sequel.

As I said, as someone who loves Ft13th I'm perfectly fine with it, but let's not pretend that they didn't completely fuck over the canon that they themselves established.
 
Internet War Criminal said:
Try saying that about this franchise, you tranny loving slob

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Fact is, they said that Michael was human, they were rebooting the series because they wanted to move away from the retardation that happened post Halloween (they even said that the fact that Laurie was Michael's sister was an exceptional twist) and they wanted him human etc... and that's how they wrote the first movie. then they saw the piles of cash with doing another couple of movies and they jumped in even if it meant going back on their idea that Michael was just a normal (but crazy and huge) human being.

It's not something that happens in every franchise. They might retcon shit, but Saw or Scream or whatever never went 'Turns out the normal human killer in our movie that has no supernatural undertones whatsoever is now an immortal bullet sponge lol' in the sequel.

As I said, as someone who loves Ft13th I'm perfectly fine with it, but let's not pretend that they didn't completely fuck over the canon that they themselves established.
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Oh so your not defending them. Your calling out their retardedness. Got it. I agree that's why the ending bugs me because they specifically stated that Michael was human and wasn't supernatural in the 2018 one. But the sequel pretty much says fuck you to that idea.
 
Internet War Criminal said:
Try saying that about this franchise, you tranny loving slob

ScoobyDooMoviesDonKnotts-Cel.jpg

Fact is, they said that Michael was human, they were rebooting the series because they wanted to move away from the retardation that happened post Halloween (they even said that the fact that Laurie was Michael's sister was an exceptional twist) and they wanted him human etc... and that's how they wrote the first movie. then they saw the piles of cash with doing another couple of movies and they jumped in even if it meant going back on their idea that Michael was just a normal (but crazy and huge) human being.

It's not something that happens in every franchise. They might retcon shit, but Saw or Scream or whatever never went 'Turns out the normal human killer in our movie that has no supernatural undertones whatsoever is now an immortal bullet sponge lol' in the sequel.

As I said, as someone who loves Ft13th I'm perfectly fine with it, but let's not pretend that they didn't completely fuck over the canon that they themselves established.
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I don't even know what we're arguing over anymore.
 
Oats12345 said:
Oh so your not defending them. Your calling out their retardedness. Got it. I agree that's why the ending bugs me because they specifically stated that Michael was human and wasn't supernatural in the 2018 one. But the sequel pretty much says fuck you to that idea.
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I mean if they had changed their mind but had done it in a way that wasn't retarded, it would have been something else.

Again only a few tweaks would have made that movie much better. Want to show that Michael Myer is actually, in fact, transcending humanity and becoming a force of nature or whatever, simple:

Cut right after he kills the first two firefighters. Don't have him kill the firefighters outside at all. Let us just imagine that he was able to get away in the confusion and he went to recuperate or rest or some shit. Show him struggling a little bit with his first couple of kills after he left the house. Not that he's weak, just sloppy, and how every single kill after that he's getting back to more and more confident, efficient, walking straight, brushing off shit... until he gets his shit kicked in by the crowd at the end. And then have that speech talking about how he's becoming something more than human, a force of nature... and then after that beating he gets the fuck up and murders all of the crowd. He has transcended, he is now The Shape and not Michael anymore or whatever

There you go. You've actually done it in a way that shows character evolution, and it doesn't feel fucking cheap like it does in the movie and such a drastic difference from how he was portrayed in the first two movie that were part of this cannon.
 
Internet War Criminal said:
I mean if they had changed their mind but had done it in a way that wasn't exceptional, it would have been something else.

Again only a few tweaks would have made that movie much better. Want to show that Michael Myer is actually, in fact, transcending humanity and becoming a force of nature or whatever, simple:

Cut right after he kills the first two firefighters. Don't have him kill the firefighters outside at all. Let us just imagine that he was able to get away in the confusion and he went to recuperate or rest or some shit. Show him struggling a little bit with his first couple of kills after he left the house. Not that he's weak, just sloppy, and how every single kill after that he's getting back to more and more confident, efficient, walking straight, brushing off shit... until he gets his shit kicked in by the crowd at the end. And then have that speech talking about how he's becoming something more than human, a force of nature... and then after that beating he gets the fuck up and murders all of the crowd. He has transcended, he is now The Shape and not Michael anymore or whatever

There you go. You've actually done it in a way that shows character evolution, and it doesn't feel fucking cheap like it does in the movie and such a drastic difference from how he was portrayed in the first two movie that were part of this cannon.
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I agree they should done their delivery better.
also hint better at the supernatural aspect. As I said for a moment I thought Karen was going to become a killer in the end. After she saw 6 year old Michael at the window. I thought they were going to imply something more sinister was involved. Some sort of evil that possess people into becoming killers type of thing. Would have been a insane twist for the movie. I mean in the end you could still have a even more sinister force behide Michael if you want too. Not like it would be odd for a John Carpenter work to feature that
 
BrunoMattei said:
I don't even know what we're arguing over anymore.
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You said that a man is a biped without feather, and I just plucked the feathers of a chicken and told you behold, a man!

Oats12345 said:
I agree they should done their delivery better.
also hint better at the supernatural aspect. As I said for a moment I thought Karen was going to become a killer in the end. After she saw 6 year old Michael at the window. I thought they were going to imply something more sinister was involved. Some sort of evil that possess people into becoming killers type of thing. Would have been a insane twist for the movie. I mean in the end you could still have a even more sinister force behide Michael if you want too. Not like it would be odd for a John Carpenter work to feature that
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Yeah I thought they were going straight up end the movie with the possession ending of 4 and have Laurie's daughter possessed by Michael, with Laurie having to kiill her at the end of Halloween Ends for the cycle to end.

Which, if anything, would have been a really interesting way to go at it. Also preventing any other movies after the end of the trilogy, and we all know it ain't stopping after halloween ends.
 
Internet War Criminal said:
Yeah I thought they were going straight up end the movie with the possession ending of 4 and have Laurie's daughter possessed by Michael, with Laurie having to kiill her at the end of Halloween Ends for the cycle to end.

Which, if anything, would have been a really interesting way to go at it. Also preventing any other movies after the end of the trilogy, and we all know it ain't stopping after halloween ends.
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Thank God. I'm not the only one who had that idea
thats exactly what I thought that they were going to end it on. Have Laurie fight her now possessed daughter in Halloween Ends. It would have went well with Laurie's speech about how you can't defeat Michael' evil as it can just simply possessed another. As evil can never truly die.

I mean Holloween 4 wanted to do that originally but change their mind. I wonder if horror franchises are scared to change up their killers after what happen with firday the 13th:new beginning?

Edit: if they had gone that route the next movie really would feel like the grand finale.
 
Oats12345 said:
Thank God. I'm not the only one who had that idea
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Oats12345 said:
Edit: if they had gone that route the next movie really would feel like the grand finale.
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Yeah when I saw the reflection in the window I was like oh shit it's on. Pretty disappointed with how it ended (considering how it started)

I mean then again I literally just started HK again to rewatch it so obviously I thought it was entertaining and not shit. It just could be so much better.

Oats12345 said:
I mean Holloween 4 wanted to do that originally but change their mind. I wonder if horror franchises are scared to change up their killers after what happen with firday the 13th:new beginning?
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I think that's because of the failure of H3 (it nearly killed the series) and then the backlash towards H4's ending more than New Beginning is to blame here

 
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