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[White Devil]

I'm still amazed these movies are worse than the Rob Zombie Halloweens. Legitimately curious to see how bad this hopefully last one will be. With luck, it will just kill the franchise so we'll never have to sit through one of these remake abortions again.

 

[BrunoMattei]

I'm still amazed these movies are worse than the Rob Zombie Halloweens. Legitimately curious to see how bad this hopefully last one will be. With luck, it will just kill the franchise so we'll never have to sit through one of these remake abortions again.

I think Halloween 2018 started out well. It's a fine entry in the series and better than most of the other ones. It had problems that you notice more on a re-watch like the quips and lame attempts at comedy (because we know they worked so well in H20 written by Scream's Kevin Williamson).

Kills was just pure filler. Absolute filler.

But I think Ends is going to be a disappointing conclusion.

You're probably making this sound better than it actually is...


This looks like a direct to tv movie from 30-40 years ago. Actually if it was that and not a Rob Zombie movie I'd be a lot more interested in seeing it. The same genius who decided that Dr. Loomis should be reimagined as an insufferable douche also somehow thinks that having THIS cast attempt 1:1 impressions of the original Munsters cast is going to fly. Just put the Butch Patrick scenes on YT, that's all I can handle sober.

To be fair; Loomis being a selfish asshole was in part 2 and I thought that was an interesting direction to take it. It certainly fits the film's nihilistic tone. I will defend (perhaps regretfully) the Rob Zombie Halloween movies as something in-between being a guilty pleasure and bold experiment. Pardon my faggotry. At least the RZ movies are uncomfortable and nasty. There's some great nightmarish imagery. It doesn't rely on memberberries (as low bar as that is). Yes, there were mistakes. I think the biggest one was following the skeleton of the original movie, some cringe lines ("Is that the boogyman?") should have been removed and Michael's family should have been at least slightly normal, and showing Michael without the mask in part 2. Don't even get me started on the director's cut of the first one where some orderlies break into his room to rape a girl and he just walks out of the hospital. The Weinstein's made the right call in ordering reshoots because him escaping and then killing Danny Trejo was great.

 

[White Devil]

I think Halloween 2018 started out well. It's a fine entry in the series and better than most of the other ones. It had problems that you notice more on a re-watch like the quips and lame attempts at comedy (because we know they worked so well in H20 written by Scream's Kevin Williamson).

Kills was just pure filler. Absolute filler.

But I think Ends is going to be a disappointing conclusion.



To be fair; Loomis being a selfish asshole was in part 2 and I thought that was an interesting direction to take it. It certainly fits the film's nihilistic tone. I will defend (perhaps regretfully) the Rob Zombie Halloween movies as something in-between being a guilty pleasure and bold experiment. Pardon my faggotry. At least the RZ movies are uncomfortable and nasty. There's some great nightmarish imagery. It doesn't rely on memberberries (as low bar as that is). Yes, there were mistakes. I think the biggest one was following the skeleton of the original movie, some cringe lines ("Is that the boogyman?") should have been removed and Michael's family should have been at least slightly normal, and showing Michael without the mask in part 2. Don't even get me started on the director's cut of the first one where some orderlies break into his room to rape a girl and he just walks out of the hospital. The Weinstein's made the right call in ordering reshoots because him escaping and then killing Danny Trejo was great.

I really didn't like 2018, the current year bullshit they couldn't help but include left a bad taste in my mouth and it made me feel like I was being preached to. The movie did have a couple good scenes but that's in no way enough to redeem it.

My issues with RZ aren't the grittiness and nastiness of the movies, it's the story. He destroyed all the mystique about Myers and tried to make the audience feel sympathy for this poor bullied little psychopath with the stripper mom. Not only that but RZ just couldn't resist making the family as white trash as possible. We as the audience don't need to know Myer's origin. In fact, that took away the biggest factor in what made him so scary and evil; you don't know why he's doing it just that he does and he's fucking terrifying. That being said, Malcolm McDowell was my favorite thing in those movies.

 

[BrunoMattei]

I really didn't like 2018, the current year bullshit they couldn't help but include left a bad taste in my mouth and it made me feel like I was being preached to. The movie did have a couple good scenes but that's in no way enough to redeem it.

My issues with RZ aren't the grittiness and nastiness of the movies, it's the story. He destroyed all the mystique about Myers and tried to make the audience feel sympathy for this poor bullied little psychopath with the stripper mom. Not only that but RZ just couldn't resist making the family as white trash as possible. We as the audience don't need to know Myer's origin. In fact, that took away the biggest factor in what made him so scary and evil; you don't know why he's doing it just that he does and he's fucking terrifying. That being said, Malcolm McDowell was my favorite thing in those movies.

I've seen 2018 three times and I didn't see much in the way of current year bullshit other than it's 3 generations of women fighting Myers. And if that's "woke" then we must revaluate every single slasher or horror film where there's a final girl confronting the big bad.

I get what you mean about RZ's movies but here's my argument:

(1) How is this worse than in parts 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 where he must kill his sister and/or family members because reasons? Ignoring all the bullshit in part 6, how does this not demystify Myers but the RZ movies are somehow a betrayal? I would argue that RZ made the connection between Michael and Lori stronger thus giving him more of a reason to be obsessed with her. And I like the whole inherited mental illness bit in his Halloween 2.

(2) We don't really watch slashers for the story with some exceptions. I don't think there is much in the way of a story in almost all of the Halloween movies. Especially in the original: little boy kills his sister for no reason, locked up in an asylum until he escapes and kills a bunch of random teenagers. Friday the 13th is just a bunch of camp counselors are knocked off because of a vengeful mother (obviously the motivation and lore behind Mrs. Voorhees rampage is great). Nightmare on Elm Street has more of a story going on but you know what I mean?

I am weighing this film and the RZ movies on an immense slasher scaled compared to every single slasher I have seen. I am comparing this shit to the highest of highs (I.E. The Burning, My Bloody Valentine uncut, Friday the 13th part 4, Nightmare in a Damaged Brain, Lake Nowhere and not even mentioning the Giallo's which are kind of their own thing but definitely a part of the Slasher genre) to the lowest of lows (Evil Laugh, Berserker). I compare the RZ movies to the higher end of the spectrum but a few notches below par, settling in around the likes of The Dorm that Dripped Blood or Hospital Massacre: fucked up, flawed but dark and interesting.

 

[Syaoran Li]

This looks like a direct to tv movie from 30-40 years ago. Actually if it was that and not a Rob Zombie movie I'd be a lot more interested in seeing it. The same genius who decided that Dr. Loomis should be reimagined as an insufferable douche also somehow thinks that having THIS cast attempt 1:1 impressions of the original Munsters cast is going to fly. Just put the Butch Patrick scenes on YT, that's all I can handle sober.

Pretty much, this Munsters reboot movie looks like a late 90's/early 2000's direct-to-video flick like you'd see on Fox Family Channel for their 13 Days of Halloween or something. I'll be giving this one a pass.

 

[cypocryphy]

I enjoyed the Blumhouse Halloweens and I'm looking forward to Ends. It would be cool if they tried the anthology route after this again though.

 

[TVB]

Reminder that this movie will supposedly have a covid subplot, unless that was shit that Jamie Lee made up like how Halloween Kills is like Black Lives Matter.

Will Halloween Ends also be about other shit like Jan 6th, Stop Asian Hate, Ukraine, or Roe v. Wade?

 

[Internet War Criminal]

It probably won't be good but I really am curious how this will turn out


https://youtube.com/watch?v=i_mAWKyfj6c

I have two major problems with this trailer:

1) It's happening four years after the last massacre, and people are still celebrating Halloween? This is a post-covid world, so if this is set in the same fucking town, there is no fucking way that people are walking around with their children going trick or treating on Halloween day. These people would probably go full Purge night protections, bunkered at home with shotguns and shit.

In fact it doesn't matter where it's set, any time who heard that Laurie Strode moved in is gonna just fucking nope itself out on the 31st and go away for the weekend or some shit just in case.

2) How is Michael so fucking weak that he goes mano-a-mano with elderly Jamie Lee Curtis multiple times and he can't get the better of her? There's no way she should be able to even affect him unless she like, startles him or some shit.


I hope it's all some red herring or some shit, turns out that Michael now lives inside of Laurie and she's the one going around murdering people or whatever, at least it'd be more interesting.

 

[Oats12345]

I have two major problems with this trailer:

1) It's happening four years after the last massacre, and people are still celebrating Halloween? This is a post-covid world, so if this is set in the same fucking town, there is no fucking way that people are walking around with their children going trick or treating on Halloween day. These people would probably go full Purge night protections, bunkered at home with shotguns and shit.

In fact it doesn't matter where it's set, any time who heard that Laurie Strode moved in is gonna just fucking nope itself out on the 31st and go away for the weekend or some shit just in case.

2) How is Michael so fucking weak that he goes mano-a-mano with elderly Jamie Lee Curtis multiple times and he can't get the better of her? There's no way she should be able to even affect him unless she like, startles him or some shit.


I hope it's all some red herring or some shit, turns out that Michael now lives inside of Laurie and she's the one going around murdering people or whatever, at least it'd be more interesting.

Because being a girlboss somehow gets you super strength.

Honselty didn't click to watch the trailer. I'm nervous it's going to look like shit.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I'm still amazed these movies are worse than the Rob Zombie Halloweens. Legitimately curious to see how bad this hopefully last one will be. With luck, it will just kill the franchise so we'll never have to sit through one of these remake abortions again.

That's just downright retarded. Halloween 2018 was perfectly good enough. All Halloween Kills needs to become a good movie is proper editing. You take the extended cut, remove the hospital scenes, and you've got a perfectly good enough sequel as well.

There is no amount of editing that could turn the abominations filmed by Rob Zombie into anything resembling "perfectly good enough", especially not the fucking trainwreck of a sequel.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I'm still amazed these movies are worse than the Rob Zombie Halloweens. Legitimately curious to see how bad this hopefully last one will be. With luck, it will just kill the franchise so we'll never have to sit through one of these remake abortions again.

I disagree since 2018 was at least a decent slasher and Kills was retarded but it could be saved in editing and had some good moments with Michael.

Zombie’s movies suck for trying to make Michael a sympathetic character who had a mean white trash family except for his mommy played by Rob Zombie’s wife.

Of course unless Ends goes all in on the political messages that Jamie Lee delusionally pushes, nothing could top the crown peak of shitty Halloween movies like Resurrections.

 

[TVB]

An unpopular opinion here, I honestly liked the 07 Rob Zombie version of Halloween, although the sequel sucked out loud. I can understand where the hate comes from, but it's a breath of fresh air when you compare it to shit like Kills and and the upcoming Ends, and even Rob Zombie's sequel. I still think Resurrection is an unironic masterpiece, and not just because of Busta Rhymes and whatnot.

 

[Calandrino]

2) How is Michael so fucking weak that he goes mano-a-mano with elderly Jamie Lee Curtis multiple times and he can't get the better of her? There's no way she should be able to even affect him unless she like, startles him or some shit.

Elderly JLC vs Busta Rhymes; who would win?

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There is no amount of editing that could turn the abominations filmed by Rob Zombie into anything resembling "perfectly good enough", especially not the fucking trainwreck of a sequel.

I think the first one would be ok if the first half was the whole movie, also change the title

 

[BrunoMattei]

That's just downright retarded. Halloween 2018 was perfectly good enough. All Halloween Kills needs to become a good movie is proper editing. You take the extended cut, remove the hospital scenes, and you've got a perfectly good enough sequel as well.

There is no amount of editing that could turn the abominations filmed by Rob Zombie into anything resembling "perfectly good enough", especially not the fucking trainwreck of a sequel.

I linked it before but someone kind of did that: https://maniac1962.blogspot.com/2019/01/halloween-mass-killings.html

The two movies play out much better in this fan-edit.

Also, I just recently discovered this:

An early 70's thriller/slasher but the gimmick is that the movie is entirely -from beginning to end- done in split screen with the left side being from the killer's perspective and the right side showing their victims or police closing in. Neat gimmick. Decent movie.

 

[ZazietheBeast]

Does Hobo with a Shotgun count? Its a gorefest but its horrifying because of the fact it hits too close to home with Clown World.


"WE'RE ALL DIRTY COPS!"

I have to admit, everything in this movie is deliberate. The sombre opening, the horrible city life, the wretched people and of course the villainous elite who is responsible for the horrible state of the city because suffering gets them off.

And what pisses them off the most is when a nobody just starts cleaning up the city and getting people back together. I legitimately enjoyed the acting and the playout. Though there are times it comes off as a torture-fest (which is intentional).

All the characters are clearly defined, they stand out and have their defining moments.

I can see why people love this movie.

I unironically got into it because of a clip involving the Plague.
Watching this really got me thinking of what to do when clownworld gets to that level.

 

[The Nothingness]

I'm not going to bother with Halloween Ends since the last one left a sour taste in my mouth. I'll just read the spoilers on here and elsewhere.

 

[White Devil]

I've seen 2018 three times and I didn't see much in the way of current year bullshit other than it's 3 generations of women fighting Myers. And if that's "woke" then we must revaluate every single slasher or horror film where there's a final girl confronting the big bad.

I get what you mean about RZ's movies but here's my argument:

(1) How is this worse than in parts 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 where he must kill his sister and/or family members because reasons? Ignoring all the bullshit in part 6, how does this not demystify Myers but the RZ movies are somehow a betrayal? I would argue that RZ made the connection between Michael and Lori stronger thus giving him more of a reason to be obsessed with her. And I like the whole inherited mental illness bit in his Halloween 2.

(2) We don't really watch slashers for the story with some exceptions. I don't think there is much in the way of a story in almost all of the Halloween movies. Especially in the original: little boy kills his sister for no reason, locked up in an asylum until he escapes and kills a bunch of random teenagers. Friday the 13th is just a bunch of camp counselors are knocked off because of a vengeful mother (obviously the motivation and lore behind Mrs. Voorhees rampage is great). Nightmare on Elm Street has more of a story going on but you know what I mean?

I am weighing this film and the RZ movies on an immense slasher scaled compared to every single slasher I have seen. I am comparing this shit to the highest of highs (I.E. The Burning, My Bloody Valentine uncut, Friday the 13th part 4, Nightmare in a Damaged Brain, Lake Nowhere and not even mentioning the Giallo's which are kind of their own thing but definitely a part of the Slasher genre) to the lowest of lows (Evil Laugh, Berserker). I compare the RZ movies to the higher end of the spectrum but a few notches below par, settling in around the likes of The Dorm that Dripped Blood or Hospital Massacre: fucked up, flawed but dark and interesting.

I only saw it the one time and it was when it came out so my recollection isn't going to be perfect. I just remember two stand out things though; that faggy ballerina son and Jamie Lee Curtis' obvious anti AR-15 stance with her boomer weaponry during the climax of the film. About the only scene I liked was when Michael escaped and killed that one dude in the bathroom.

I will full on admit out of the original Halloween films, I mostly just liked the first two. Three was a swing and a miss and the others probably would have been better off never having happened except for H20, which I have not seen in a very long time but remember not absolutely hating.

You don't watch slashers for story with some exceptions. It's long been held the mystery behind Myers is what made him scary. I'm talking decades of popular opinion here, not your personal take on gore porn. I can appreciate good art and FX but at the end of the day I want something that compels me to want to watch as well. I'm not a teenager anymore that can just be impressed solely by the eye stabbing scene in Zombi, I need something more. This all comes down to personal opinion and preference.

That's just downright retarded. Halloween 2018 was perfectly good enough. All Halloween Kills needs to become a good movie is proper editing. You take the extended cut, remove the hospital scenes, and you've got a perfectly good enough sequel as well.

There is no amount of editing that could turn the abominations filmed by Rob Zombie into anything resembling "perfectly good enough", especially not the fucking trainwreck of a sequel.

I disagree with 2018 and Kills being good movies. Kills had good kills but that was nowhere near enough to redeem it. This whole trilogy has been ass and never should have happened.

I disagree since 2018 was at least a decent slasher and Kills was retarded but it could be saved in editing and had some good moments with Michael.

Zombie’s movies suck for trying to make Michael a sympathetic character who had a mean white trash family except for his mommy played by Rob Zombie’s wife.

Of course unless Ends goes all in on the political messages that Jamie Lee delusionally pushes, nothing could top the crown peak of shitty Halloween movies like Resurrections.

We'll see, I guess. I don't have high hopes. I'll likely watch it just the one time unless it somehow beats my personal odds and ends up good.

 

[BrunoMattei]

I only saw it the one time and it was when it came out so my recollection isn't going to be perfect. I just remember two stand out things though; that faggy ballerina son and Jamie Lee Curtis' obvious anti AR-15 stance with her boomer weaponry during the climax of the film. About the only scene I liked was when Michael escaped and killed that one dude in the bathroom.

I will full on admit out of the original Halloween films, I mostly just liked the first two. Three was a swing and a miss and the others probably would have been better off never having happened except for H20, which I have not seen in a very long time but remember not absolutely hating.

You don't watch slashers for story with some exceptions. It's long been held the mystery behind Myers is what made him scary. I'm talking decades of popular opinion here, not your personal take on gore porn. I can appreciate good art and FX but at the end of the day I want something that compels me to want to watch as well. I'm not a teenager anymore that can just be impressed solely by the eye stabbing scene in Zombi, I need something more. This all comes down to personal opinion and preference.




I disagree with 2018 and Kills being good movies. Kills had good kills but that was nowhere near enough to redeem it. This whole trilogy has been ass and never should have happened.


We'll see, I guess. I don't have high hopes. I'll likely watch it just the one time unless it somehow beats my personal odds and ends up good.

I'm reading this and I'm thunking -as usual- then you have to shit on Halloween 3... Why? Halloween 3 is my favorite of the franchise and the best horror movie set on Halloween. Fite me IRL. But I mostly see where you're coming from, my favorite of the Myers films is Halloween 2 (the original, fuckers) mostly because of the hospital setting.

You don't watch slashers for story with some exceptions. It's long been held the mystery behind Myers is what made him scary. I'm talking decades of popular opinion here, not your personal take on gore porn. I can appreciate good art and FX but at the end of the day I want something that compels me to want to watch as well. I'm not a teenager anymore that can just be impressed solely by the eye stabbing scene in Zombi, I need something more. This all comes down to personal opinion and preference.

Some of my favorite slashers don't have excessive gore but make up for it in atmosphere like the original Black Christmas, The Final Terror and Rituals. Then there's Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer (if you count that as a slasher or not). Not even going into the Giallo's which usually don't have excessive gore with some exceptions.

I disagree with 2018 and Kills being good movies. Kills had good kills but that was nowhere near enough to redeem it. This whole trilogy has been ass and never should have happened.


We'll see, I guess. I don't have high hopes. I'll likely watch it just the one time unless it somehow beats my personal odds and ends up good.

I'm not saying they're masterpieces (Kills is definitely not a good film by any means but it delivers with the kill scenes) but they are fun and I'd still say 2018 when taken as a stand-alone movie is still better than parts 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8.

 

[White Devil]

I'm reading this and I'm thunking -as usual- then you have to shit on Halloween 3... Why? Halloween 3 is my favorite of the franchise and the best horror movie set on Halloween. Fite me IRL. But I mostly see where you're coming from, my favorite of the Myers films is Halloween 2 (the original, fuckers) mostly because of the hospital setting.

Some of my favorite slashers don't have excessive gore but make up for it in atmosphere like The Final Terror and Rituals. Then there's Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer (if you count that as a slasher or not). Not even going into the Giallo's which usually don't have excessive gore with some exceptions.

I'm not saying they're masterpieces (Kills is definitely not a good film by any means but it delivers with the kill scenes) but they are fun and I'd still say 2018 when taken as a stand-alone movie is still better than parts 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8.

Gonna just respond to the Season of the Witch comment because we'll just keep going in circles about the other stuff.

My problem with 3 is mostly just branding. They shouldn't have tried to market it as a Halloween movie, it should have and would have worked as its own anthology thing. iirc I think that was originally the plan too, but the studio wanted the Halloween franchise to bring in people. I could be misremembering though.

It'd be awesome if they go back to anthology type movies, just don't attach them to previous franchises. I know that is a LOT to ask in this day and age, but out of the past 15 years or so the only horror movies I can think of that I actually liked were Bone Tomahawk and Upgrade.

 

[BrunoMattei]

Gonna just respond to the Season of the Witch comment because we'll just keep going in circles about the other stuff.

My problem with 3 is mostly just branding. They shouldn't have tried to market it as a Halloween movie, it should have and would have worked as its own anthology thing. iirc I think that was originally the plan too, but the studio wanted the Halloween franchise to bring in people. I could be misremembering though.

It'd be awesome if they go back to anthology type movies, just don't attach them to previous franchises. I know that is a LOT to ask in this day and age, but out of the past 15 years or so the only horror movies I can think of that I actually liked were Bone Tomahawk and Upgrade.

I get that but the anthology direction is what they were going for and blah blah blah. I still love the film and it amuses me how Joe Bob Briggs' comments over it continues to haunt him.

May I make some recommendations, sir? Try The Cursed AKA Eight for Silver (very good recent werewolf film), Mandy (amazing acid horror film), Brandon Cronenberg's Possessor, David Cronenberg's Crimes of the Future, The Sadness (Taiwanese zombie flick), Haunt (2019 slasher), The Last Matinee (2020 or 2021 Uruguay slasher set in a movie theater), The Black Forest (2018 Brazil horror comedy: https://tubitv.com/movies/555034/the-black-forest ).

There have been quite a few very good recent horror films. Perhaps you're not looking in the right places? Just a suggestion.