Hentai is disgusting.

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I had a weeaboo friend that wanted to watch it with me and our other buddy as a juvenile giggle. I remember a woman taking a dick so big she split in half and some giant Godzilla like thing at the end. The whole thing was fucked up.

Wow. I hate being morbidly curious, I need to see that now. Luckily I'm too lazy to go scouring the web for old clips of weird shit.

 

[Big Brutus]

Porn is bad, but hentai in particular is very bad. There has to be a point made in highlighting the degree of separation between the two in terms of production.

Regular pornography requires the participation of multiple persons in order to produce it, barring solo pornography. It's a regulated industry in the United States and many other countries. I get that it can still be an abusive environment but things could be worse.

With hentai, any dipshit sicko with colored pencils and a sheet of paper can draw all the Harry Potter characters fucking each other.

And let's get into how procedurally-generated images can affect that separation. There's a reason why AI hentai is overtaking traditionally-created hentai. The potential for abuse is becoming ever-so-greater with the usage of AI. It seems like a Japanese pedophile's wet dream.

I think the ease of accessibility of porn is what causes it. Back in the day you had to physically walk into a store and buy porn, then take it home, hide it, look at it relatively rarely. Nowadays you can pull out your smartphone at any point and have gooner trans sissy buttfuck food play watersports car surfing 12+ hour compilations play within a matter of seconds.

You make a very good point. The accessibility of pornography is light-years ahead of how it was even just thirty years ago. I've read stories of internet users in the 90s having to watch pornographic images load line by line on their screen and having it be suddenly interrupted by a phone call.

I had a weeaboo friend that wanted to watch it with me and our other buddy as a juvenile giggle. I remember a woman taking a dick so big she split in half and some giant Godzilla like thing at the end. The whole thing was fucked up.

This reminds me of Joey Diaz going on Joe Rogan's podcast and talking about watching mail-order pornography on a projector with his friends as teenagers.

 

[Komaxse]

I used to feel weird about the whole thing until I saw how much variety there is—some of it’s super creative. Sites like https://hentaiz-a1.net helped change my mind a bit, since it's got way more than just the cliché stuff people usually think of. Kinda made me realize not all of it is the same trash people complain about.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Porn is bad, but hentai in particular is very bad.

It's by far the lesser evil. Even the most vanilla of real porn is more detrimental because the actors involved are sinning and the viewer is objectifying real people.

 

[Athena Save Us!]

Real porn is disgusting. Real porn supports the trafficking, abuse, rape, murder, blackmail, and more of actual living people. It is an evil, evil industry.

Drawn porn? Someone pays an artist to draw something, the end. There are fewer or even no negative externalities.

Except for troons. I'm fairly sure you can find a hentai pipeline to troonism.

 

[Big Brutus]

It's by far the lesser evil. Even the most vanilla of real porn is more detrimental because the actors involved are sinning and the viewer is objectifying real people.

You're being a little one-sided on this issue. While it's true that performing as a pornographic actor is sinful, it's not just about the sin being committed by the real actor. It's also about the sin being committed by the viewer. At least with real pornography, there's some level of regulation and law with regards to what can be shown and by whom. With hentai, you can see anything from tentacle porn, to zoosadism, to rape, to child pornography (lolicon). The things you can see on Pornhub are very tame compared to what you can see on R34 sites.

 

[Fishnumm]

 

[cockaine]

Don't look

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

You're being a little one-sided on this issue. While it's true that performing as a pornographic actor is sinful, it's not just about the sin being committed by the real actor. It's also about the sin being committed by the viewer. At least with real pornography, there's some level of regulation and law with regards to what can be shown and by whom. With hentai, you can see anything from tentacle porn, to zoosadism, to rape, to child pornography (lolicon). The things you can see on Pornhub are very tame compared to what you can see on R34 sites.

The "B-but it's not real...!" crowd does have a point, it's not justification for allowing hentai to exist like they think, but the fact it's not real is quite significant and does rank it well below actual pornography.

For example, someone looking at hentai where a character fucks a dog is degenerate, and is evidence the viewer does have disordered sexual desires, but the fact remains the fictional dog in question is unharmed, meanwhile the immorality on display in real pornography is effecting real people and certainly has an effect on how the viewer thinks about others.

The fact is it should all be banned, but different kinds of pornography vary in terms of how harmful they are. Personally I'd rank hentai below any real pornography, with perhaps an exception for gore hentai, because a mind needs to be especially dark for that to have an arousing effect even in fiction. The nuances are up for debate, but the fact pornography is bad for society is at least something we can agree on.

Don't look

When it's inevitably banned that'll be the case for everyone, you won't look

 

[cockaine]

When it's inevitably banned that'll be the case for everyone, you won't look

Ok have fun trying to ban stuff, don't get set on fire

 

[The Lawgiver]

TFW the shitpost thread from a year back about hentai being gross because it's not real has turned into unironic politisperg slapfights

 

[Hellwalker]

Don't know how but I always felt better jerking off the hentai than I ever did jerking off to porn.

 

[Perfectly Innocent]

With hentai, any dipshit sicko with colored pencils and a sheet of paper can draw all the Harry Potter characters fucking each other.

And let's get into how procedurally-generated images can affect that separation. There's a reason why AI hentai is overtaking traditionally-created hentai. The potential for abuse is becoming ever-so-greater with the usage of AI. It seems like a Japanese pedophile's wet dream.

None of it is real, hentai is just animation, and therefore there’s no potential for abuse in drawing (or generating) them, except in the minds of people who think thought crimes should be a thing.

It’s the same fundamental argument people used to make about violent video games, and which ultimately ended up permanently crippling creative freedom in the west. We’ll happily make games which encourage players to butcher, maim, and mass murder adults, but the moment fictional children are involved, idiots get precious about them.

Yes, there will be people who try to turn fiction into reality, but those people will find a way to make the world a worse place whether we try to prohibit things or not,

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Ok have fun trying to ban stuff, don't get set on fire

I'll try not to.

Don't know how but I always felt better jerking off the hentai than I ever did jerking off to porn.

Null, I need my STICKERSSSSS

None of it is real, hentai is just animation, and therefore there’s no potential for abuse in drawing (or generating) them, except in the minds of people who think thought crimes should be a thing.

It’s the same fundamental argument people used to make about violent video games, and which ultimately ended up permanently crippling creative freedom in the west. We’ll happily make games which encourage players to butcher, maim, and mass murder adults, but the moment fictional children are involved, idiots get precious about them.

Conflating sex & violence when they're different things is a false equivalency.

 

[Perfectly Innocent]

Conflating sex & violence when they're different things is a false equivalency

Fiction is fiction, and in the case of animation, it’s all just pixels or lines on a screen. As long as it’s all clearly labelled and people can make a reasonably informed decision about what they’re going to consume before they consume it, the rest is down to personal discretion.

 

[Basement Dwelling Dork]

TFW the shitpost thread from a year back about hentai being gross because it's not real has turned into unironic politisperg slapfights

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All we need now is someone to hop on and admit that they have over 2tb of hentai on their hard drive and we'll be set.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Fiction is fiction, and in the case of animation, it’s all just pixels or lines on a screen. As long as it’s all clearly labelled and people can make a reasonably informed decision about what they’re going to consume before they consume it, the rest is down to personal discretion.

Nobody's denying it's fiction. The problem is it's still detrimental to society, and it's the government's job to regulate things. Unless you're an anarchist then this is undebatable. Pornography's negative effects are well documented, so restrictions or bans are necessary.

You want the government to regulate drugs, right? Similar concept.

 

[Perfectly Innocent]

You want the government to regulate drugs, right? Similar concept.

Regulation is good. Prohibition is bad.

I want the government to ensure drugs are clearly labelled, that they are what they claim to be, and that their known risks, intended effects and side-effects are clearly documented, so that people can make an informed personal choice as to whether or not they should be taking them. What the government should not be doing is prohibiting them outright, but they should ensure that specific safe environments looking after potentially vulnerable people (e.g. health centres, hospitals etc.) don’t provide them if their harms outweigh their benefits. But if people want to take drugs, it should be their personal choice to do so.

One can say the same for porn. Don’t allow it in environments which are meant to be looking after potentially vulnerable people (e.g. schools). Give people the tools to not have to see it if they don’t want to so they can make a personal choice. But if it’s clearly labelled (so people know what they’re going to see before they see it) and appropriate boilerplate warnings are provided, the government should otherwise butt out of what people do with it in their own private homes.

 

[Vygode]

EPI is why.
Pornography and hentai are inherently disgusting but arousal weakens disgust responses in the brain

In the end I find it to be less morally objectionable than real porn. If you really must see an animated princess in bikini armor get raped by orcs then at least it was the product of like twenty animators getting to pay rent that month as opposed to one person's actual daughter getting butt fucked on camera for the whole world to see.

Production-wise it's less morally objectionable as you know for certain nobody was trafficked or coerced into making it. However for personal use I would honestly find it more morally objectionable as it can involve unrealistic scenarios that completely fuck over your perception of sex (more so than regular porn) and detach yourself further from reality.

But honestly I find both detestable.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Regulation is good. Prohibition is bad.

Why?

I want the government to ensure drugs are clearly labelled, that they are what they claim to be, and that their known risks, intended effects and side-effects are clearly documented, so that people can make an informed personal choice as to whether or not they should be taking them. What the government should not be doing is prohibiting them outright, but they should ensure that specific safe environments looking after potentially vulnerable people (e.g. health centres, hospitals etc.) don’t provide them if their harms outweigh their benefits. But if people want to take drugs, it should be their personal choice to do so.

Clearly labeling meth and crack isn't going to solve the problems inherent to drug use.

One can say the same for porn. Don’t allow it in environments which are meant to be looking after potentially vulnerable people (e.g. schools). Give people the tools to not have to see it if they don’t want to so they can make a personal choice. But if it’s clearly labelled (so people know what they’re going to see before they see it) and appropriate boilerplate warnings are provided, the government should otherwise butt out of what people do with it in their own private homes.

Disordered behavior breeds a disordered society, the government has a legitimate reason to be concerned about what people do in their homes.