Culture ‘Hell on earth’: Men share why they avoid singles nights - Men in our community shared candid accounts of why singles nights hold little appeal for them, citing fear of public rejection, dating fatigue and a preference for more organic ways of meeting partners

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Men in our community shared candid accounts of why singles nights hold little appeal for them, citing fear of public rejection, dating fatigue and a preference for more organic ways of meeting partners​

Monday 02 March 2026 09:08 EST
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Dating nights aren't for everyone (iStock)

Olivia Petter’s report on the challenges of getting men to attend singles nights prompted a flood of responses from male readers sharing their own experiences of dating.

Rather than rejecting the premise outright, many used the comments to explain why events like these hold little appeal for them personally.

A recurring theme was discomfort with structured, high-pressure formats such as speed dating, which several described as “forced”, “synthetic” or akin to a job interview.

Men spoke about feeling exposed in environments where rejection plays out publicly, arguing that the expectation to be instantly charming, funny and confident creates an uneven dynamic. Some said they preferred meeting partners organically – through friends, shared hobbies, travel or everyday life – where connection develops more naturally and without an audience.

Others reflected more broadly on modern dating. A number of commenters said they had opted out of formal dating altogether, citing exhaustion with apps, perceived imbalances in effort, or a sense that expectations have become transactional and over-analysed.

Here’s what you had to say:

Men shoulder most of the effort in dating

As a single man who has largely given up on dating, articles like this complaining about men while making out that women are great sum up why.

I’m expected to put the vast majority of effort into dating. I take the risk of rejection in doing the asking out, I arrange the date, usually carry the conversation, frequently am expected to pay, then this process repeats for future dates. The majority of women I met seemed to think turning up was all that’s required for me to ‘woo’ them. In return, I’ve had women ghost, cancel last minute after I’ve paid for tickets, complain about the venue, say things like I should be grateful they turned up at all after they arrived almost an hour late (extreme lateness was very common, often followed by a dismissive comment about how I should put up with it because I’m a man).

Clearly there are issues women experience too, but the big difference from my perspective is effort. Women expect everything to be done for them and, other than their appearance, don’t invest much in the early dating stages. I’ve never once had a woman ‘bound right up’ and ask me out, never had a woman pay, never felt like they were making the effort to keep me entertained, never had them suggest or arrange a date. They frequently complain about men’s failings yet seem to have zero awareness of their own.

I’m in my 40s now, so I’m not that bothered about sex or flings. I have good friends and enough going on that I don't want to waste time on something that just isn't enjoyable. If the other person was making a similar level of effort, then I may feel differently. The level of entitlement is ridiculous though – it frequently felt like dealing with teenagers, unable to show any initiative or reciprocation.

Andy

Men are used to being rejected

Attending an event like this is a higher risk for men. Social vulnerability is something men are culturally punished for showing. Men are used to being rejected; women are often the ones rejecting. Experiencing this again, but with an audience, can't be that tempting.

This type of event also favours verbal fluency, emotional expressiveness, and social confidence – traits that suit how the average woman socialises better than men. You describe this as men suffering from pride or a lack of motivation, completely ignoring that the format itself is flawed.

If you want something more than that, involve some sort of activity. Add some sort of competition with built-in conversation starters. A quiz? Cooking? Cocktail-making competition? Why not a go-kart event? A great night regardless of the social outcome.

My two best dates were a trip to IKEA and one where that girl showed me some great biking paths in the forest. The latter one is now my wife.

Daniel

Many of us are socially awkward

I met the women I ended up marrying on a backpacking trip: she was camping with three other women and I was by myself. No force on earth could have compelled me to enter an event such as the writer describes. Of course, I was (and am) socially awkward – but so are so many of us.

I can't recall how my children met their partners, but we had one recent success. Through my wife's friend, we got to know a man who had been a friend of one of her children. He seemed like a nice guy with no partner. But he was VERY quiet. Our daughters had a female friend who had no partner and who they described as being really nice, so we old folks went into action. Our daughters approached their friend, who sent them a list of questions – "Does he have kids? Has he been married? Does he smoke? Does he have a job?" – which they passed on to us to get the answers. Things worked out. Yay! Matchmaking lives!

soccerdad

Dates are like job interviews

I wonder if the psychology of the modern dating game just appeals more to women than men?

I'm in my early fifties now. In my teens, people were either very much in a relationship or not; the idea of going on a date with someone to see if you wanted a relationship was something alien we saw on American television. By my thirties, I'd largely opted out of the whole thing.

The idea of going on a date which was effectively a job interview seemed a very unappealing way of spending an evening when there was the alternative of doing something I enjoyed. If I met somebody that way, well and good; if not, it didn't matter – I was out having fun, doing things I wanted to do. I met women who were attracted to me and I not them, women to whom I was attracted and they not me, and on it went.

Eventually I met the woman who is now my wife quite by accident, through friends.

I did once, for a magazine article I agreed to write, go to a speed-dating night. It was hell on earth for me – I hated it. I dabbled very briefly with internet dating as well, but never went on a date because I never saw anyone I thought would be a match. It all felt pointless.

PadraigMahone

Let things happen naturally

It was the same decades ago. I once got asked to join a speed-dating night as there weren't enough men. I'd just had a bad accident, so I explained to the organiser that I was in no fit state to go looking for a date; I'd come just for the fun of it.

I had to fill in a form where you had to describe yourself in three words. Assuming I would get no dates whatsoever, I wrote "toothless, not heartless." Then I sat down with each girl and explained I was here just for fun – because, well, look at the state of me.

To my surprise, every single girl put me top of their list – and even the girl organising the event asked me out. The other guys didn't get a look in because they were trying to be "sensitive, caring, and kind" like they had written down –and this went absolutely nowhere.

There's a serious point here – men don't like dating events because they feel forced and synthetic. The format itself runs against the grain of how many men are wired to court. Being lined up for inspection, filling in forms, rotating on a timer – not just uncomfortable, but actively undermines the qualities that tend to make men attractive in the first place: spontaneity, confidence, a bit of mystery. Hard to be mysterious when you're wearing a name badge. It doesn't feel particularly "blokey" to offer yourself out for selection.

Dating events aren't struggling because men are emotionally stunted or commitment-averse – they're failing because the environment selects against natural confidence and rewards a kind of performed sensitivity that most people, including the women attending, can smell from a mile off.

Far better to go, have some fun, and let things happen naturally – even when you're least expecting it!

Sneaker

I’d head to an event over an app

I have to say that for someone who hasn't been dating for 30 years, this goes against what I would have expected – i.e., men outnumbering women 15:1 rather than the other way round.

If I ever found myself dating again, I'd have thought I'd head to an event like this long before I'd join an app, to be honest. But maybe that's just me.

GoodGriefCharlieBrown

Some of the comments have been edited for this article for brevity and clarity.
 
Is this really that common?
I don't think so. Except below an actually short height. I knew a really short dude who was always really easy to get angry. People of average height that don't hit the magic 6 don't get bothered unless they're terminally online.

Other examples I know of online who get pissy about being short is halflings like Manlettears.

Granted, below even that where you get to midgets they have their own circles for dating and the like, and they either turn out like Warwick Davis, or Verne Troyer and Weeman.
 
Majority of the women in their 40s, who have their own place and stable job prefer sleeping diagonally and spending their evening steamcleaning the sofa or having 10 step care routine while gossiping with their girlies. You are an afterthought somewhere between cleaning the litter and paying the bills
And yet the entire original article that the thread is based on is the odd phenomenon of ‘singles’ nights’ having an extreme lack of men. I’m pretty sure men adapt to being alone better than women.
both men and women have equal say on how shit is run
It used to be just the men, except in rare cases (such as Queen Victoria). And if we have an equal say, why do men get drafted? Why do men get harsher punishment for the same crimes? Why do myths like the ‘gender pay gap’ persist? Why do women get preferential treatment for employment and promotion in many industries (but not the icky ones like refuse collection or sewer maintenance)? Why does almost every media product now center and cater to women? Why is ‘family’ court so inexcusably biased against men?

Does this sound like the men have an ‘equal say’?

Who said marriage is for suckers?
Men who’ve been assraped by the family court, most likely.
who said ball and chain?
1950’s sitcom writers. Nobody under 80 says this.
who acted like they are doing women favour for just marrying them?
See comments above re family court. And now we come full circle to women getting pissy because men aren’t showing at singles’ nights.
Men might act like marrying leftover women is ‘doing them a favor’ but for ~80% of men that attitude develops after 20+ years of women treating them like absolute shit.
So yeah, when the desperate 40yo drywomb with the unfulfilling job and the perfectly curated apartment expects men to risk 50% of everything they’ve achieved on a coin flip, marriage really is doing them a favor.

If nobody wants the last piece of pizza, that’s not normally the diner’s fault or problem.
 
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I think the real issue with women not wanting to date men under a certain height is that generally speaking short men are very bitter and resentful about being short because of how they feel in comparison to other men. Height challenged men are fine when they chill out and just roll with it and genuinely have confidence.
I think the real issue with men not wanting to date women over a certain weight is that generally speaking obese women are very bitter and resentful about being fatassed because of how they feel in comparison to other women. Appetite-enhanced women are fine when they chill out and just roll with it and genuinely have confidence.

(See how stupid you sound?)
 
I not personally attended one of these organized singles events but a few months back a female coworker told me about her experience. A mutual friend invited her(mid 30s 6/10 looks) to a singles event at their [generic non-denom] church. From the way she described it only a few people showed up, almost all guys. Only one who she liked enough to give her number, before ghosting him a few days later because he sent her an Instagram follow request. By the way she described it I could tell she looked down on the guys for being desperate, while she herself regularly complained the struggle to find a good man and settle down.

The dating game for young adults in cooked. All the solid relationships I know started through a mutual friend group either as minors or early in college. Once you're in that 25-35 range things are bleak.
 
Is this really that common?
No. It's more akin to being told all black men are trying to rape you, and then claim every black man who follows you for a little too long is trying to rape you. The Napoleon Complex study has been reposted here a dozen times on KiwiFarms but few people remember that experiment involved taking average height men and tall men and calling them short and they said "lol no" and then taking short men, laughing at them and calling them short and making it a "Complex" when they got mad about it. It was complete bullshit pseudopsychology. Unfortunately for short guys it stuck and after decades of crap like that being parroted and being codified into mainstream cultural beliefs, every flag looks red when your eyelids are painted crimson.

In practice and reality, women like aggressive men. Anger and aggression is usually seen as passion and something good by most women, as long as it's directed to other things and in the "right way". The problem is short men got all of their aggression recontextualized as Napoleon Complexes. A fun study would be to see how women sympathize with aggressive behavior based on whether a man is tall or short.

That ALL being said- something else not talked about is how other women treat women who date short men. They treat them like shit. Bottom line. I've seen women just flat out mock their friends for dating short guys. Heck, I've even seen a girl's own MOTHER say she can do better and should dump her 5'6 boyfriend because she's too good for him. (Even though he was perfectly fine and successful) Just like the idea of a guy dating a fat chick means dealing with the same amount of crazy with extra bullshit, women dating a short guy means dealing with a lot of extra uphill bullshit they simply don't have to normally and shouldn't have to deal with.
 
That ALL being said- something else not talked about is how other women treat women who date short men. They treat them like shit. Bottom line. I've seen women just flat out mock their friends for dating short guys. Heck, I've even seen a girl's own MOTHER say she can do better and should dump her 5'6 boyfriend because she's too good for him. (Even though he was perfectly fine and successful) Just like the idea of a guy dating a fat chick means dealing with the same amount of crazy with extra bullshit, women dating a short guy means dealing with a lot of extra uphill bullshit they simply don't have to normally and shouldn't have to deal with.
Ok dumb question time:
The average height for men in the Netherlands is approximately 183–184 cm (6 feet to 6 feet 0.5 inches)
Are Dutch guys swimming in pussy? Anybody know?
 
Are Dutch guys swimming in pussy? Anybody know?
So here's the thing about height on an international spectrum- it scales. If you're a Dutch guy, you compete against other tall Dutch guys. If you're a short Filipino islander, you compete against other short Filipino islanders. It's only when these cultures come to America that they get pitted against each other. So yes, in America, the Dutch guy would be swimming in poon.

The question then because- does he want it? Because in my experience, foreigners who come to America are kind of disgusted by Americans.
 
So here's the thing about height on an international spectrum- it scales. If you're a Dutch guy, you compete against other tall Dutch guys. If you're a short Filipino islander, you compete against other short Filipino islanders. It's only when these cultures come to America that they get pitted against each other. So yes, in America, the Dutch guy would be swimming in poon.

The question then because- does he want it? Because in my experience, foreigners who come to America are kind of disgusted by Americans.
I think American women are the finest women in the world.

Yeah they're annoying as hell, but that's just because you can understand them. :suffering:
 
Hey bro my peace and tranquility can be disturbed by Chad and is worthy of chad anything unclear pal?
ok listen man i agree that everybody needs to chill out but every time i hear a woman talk about chad thundercock and incels and 6,6,6 and all of this other shit they usually end up being really ugly and fat and all this other shit (see below)

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kindness costs nothing. sperging about how women are all whores and men are the devil which may be true will make you jaded and retarded and when someone truly special comes all they're gonna see is another jaded faggit and move on instantly
 
I think the real issue with women not wanting to date men under a certain height is that generally speaking short men are very bitter and resentful about being short because of how they feel in comparison to other men.
Yes sweetie we know, female sexual selection is 100% based on vibes and personality and any imagined SHORTcoming a man might think he has can be overcome with :gunt:confidence:gunt:
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I think the real issue with men not wanting to date women over a certain weight is that generally speaking obese women are very bitter and resentful about being fatassed because of how they feel in comparison to other women. Appetite-enhanced women are fine when they chill out and just roll with it and genuinely have confidence.

(See how stupid you sound?)

Why would anyone want to date an obese woman? Unless theyre a chubby chaser.

Short men generally have issues and obese women are ugly. It is what it is.
 
When you boil it all down:
>Why aren’t men attending singes’ events?
Insufficient incentive.
>Why is the incentive insufficient?
If the women on offer were keepers, they wouldn’t be single in the first place.

There’s an old misogynist joke that goes like this:
>Women who don’t cook, clean or suck dick are always asking “where are all the good men?”
>They’re relaxing in a clean house after a nice meal and looking forward to getting their dick sucked later.

Now I think that a good relationship is based on both people sharing domestic responsibilities and being a helpmeet to each other, but there’s a grain of truth to the above. Ladies, don’t be like the ‘last ripe peach’ woman whose husband has a full time job and also does the majority of the housework while she does yoga and publishes crudely drawn cartoons about what a selfish jerk her husband is.

When real, live women are being outcompeted by something as soulless and destructive as online porn and OnlyFans, they really should be asking themselves why, instead of going down the ‘all men are pigs/peter pans’ route.
 
Is this really that common?

Depends on what we're talking about when we talk about short.

There are men under a certain height who feel extremely resentful about it and have a lot of attitude and it doesnt seem to matter that the girls theyre dating or who are interested in are shorter than them theyre just fucking angry about being short.

Then there are the men under a certain height who partner with women who are taller - often substantially taller - who dont have this issue.

Its something we women notice and talk about.

No one can change their height but they can change their attitude.

No. It's more akin to being told all black men are trying to rape you, and then claim every black man who follows you for a little too long is trying to rape you. The Napoleon Complex study has been reposted here a dozen times on KiwiFarms but few people remember that experiment involved taking average height men and tall men and calling them short and they said "lol no" and then taking short men, laughing at them and calling them short and making it a "Complex" when they got mad about it. It was complete bullshit pseudopsychology. Unfortunately for short guys it stuck and after decades of crap like that being parroted and being codified into mainstream cultural beliefs, every flag looks red when your eyelids are painted crimson.

Angry short men are resentful at the fact theyre not taller. They dont want to be short.

Well adjusted short men dont give a fuck and dont have off putting resentful personalities. Unfortunately there's way too many of the former for it not to be a thing.

If a black man followed me I would assume it was for a rapey or violent reason and i'm crossing the street. Its not normal behaviour to follow someone regardless of length of time. Its not a very good comparison though because ive never been raped by a black man but im street smart enough to keep my guard up. Whereas I encounter men of varying heights every day.
 
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Now I think that a good relationship is based on both people sharing domestic responsibilities
Nah, that's faggot talk. Listen - they won't stop bitching and nagging just because you cleaned the toilet.

Never do housework, that's women's work. When she complains, just remind her you bought her a house. :suffering:

Women talk a lot of shit about feminism and whatnot, but they don't really want a partner to vacuum the floors, they need a man. There's no equality in sex and relationships, biology doesn't work that way. People just make themselves miserable with that stuff. Wives are supposed to do the house stuff, men bring home the money.
 
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