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Men in our community shared candid accounts of why singles nights hold little appeal for them, citing fear of public rejection, dating fatigue and a preference for more organic ways of meeting partners​

Monday 02 March 2026 09:08 EST
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Olivia Petter’s report on the challenges of getting men to attend singles nights prompted a flood of responses from male readers sharing their own experiences of dating.

Rather than rejecting the premise outright, many used the comments to explain why events like these hold little appeal for them personally.

A recurring theme was discomfort with structured, high-pressure formats such as speed dating, which several described as “forced”, “synthetic” or akin to a job interview.

Men spoke about feeling exposed in environments where rejection plays out publicly, arguing that the expectation to be instantly charming, funny and confident creates an uneven dynamic. Some said they preferred meeting partners organically – through friends, shared hobbies, travel or everyday life – where connection develops more naturally and without an audience.

Others reflected more broadly on modern dating. A number of commenters said they had opted out of formal dating altogether, citing exhaustion with apps, perceived imbalances in effort, or a sense that expectations have become transactional and over-analysed.

Here’s what you had to say:

Men shoulder most of the effort in dating

As a single man who has largely given up on dating, articles like this complaining about men while making out that women are great sum up why.

I’m expected to put the vast majority of effort into dating. I take the risk of rejection in doing the asking out, I arrange the date, usually carry the conversation, frequently am expected to pay, then this process repeats for future dates. The majority of women I met seemed to think turning up was all that’s required for me to ‘woo’ them. In return, I’ve had women ghost, cancel last minute after I’ve paid for tickets, complain about the venue, say things like I should be grateful they turned up at all after they arrived almost an hour late (extreme lateness was very common, often followed by a dismissive comment about how I should put up with it because I’m a man).

Clearly there are issues women experience too, but the big difference from my perspective is effort. Women expect everything to be done for them and, other than their appearance, don’t invest much in the early dating stages. I’ve never once had a woman ‘bound right up’ and ask me out, never had a woman pay, never felt like they were making the effort to keep me entertained, never had them suggest or arrange a date. They frequently complain about men’s failings yet seem to have zero awareness of their own.

I’m in my 40s now, so I’m not that bothered about sex or flings. I have good friends and enough going on that I don't want to waste time on something that just isn't enjoyable. If the other person was making a similar level of effort, then I may feel differently. The level of entitlement is ridiculous though – it frequently felt like dealing with teenagers, unable to show any initiative or reciprocation.

Andy

Men are used to being rejected

Attending an event like this is a higher risk for men. Social vulnerability is something men are culturally punished for showing. Men are used to being rejected; women are often the ones rejecting. Experiencing this again, but with an audience, can't be that tempting.

This type of event also favours verbal fluency, emotional expressiveness, and social confidence – traits that suit how the average woman socialises better than men. You describe this as men suffering from pride or a lack of motivation, completely ignoring that the format itself is flawed.

If you want something more than that, involve some sort of activity. Add some sort of competition with built-in conversation starters. A quiz? Cooking? Cocktail-making competition? Why not a go-kart event? A great night regardless of the social outcome.

My two best dates were a trip to IKEA and one where that girl showed me some great biking paths in the forest. The latter one is now my wife.

Daniel

Many of us are socially awkward

I met the women I ended up marrying on a backpacking trip: she was camping with three other women and I was by myself. No force on earth could have compelled me to enter an event such as the writer describes. Of course, I was (and am) socially awkward – but so are so many of us.

I can't recall how my children met their partners, but we had one recent success. Through my wife's friend, we got to know a man who had been a friend of one of her children. He seemed like a nice guy with no partner. But he was VERY quiet. Our daughters had a female friend who had no partner and who they described as being really nice, so we old folks went into action. Our daughters approached their friend, who sent them a list of questions – "Does he have kids? Has he been married? Does he smoke? Does he have a job?" – which they passed on to us to get the answers. Things worked out. Yay! Matchmaking lives!

soccerdad

Dates are like job interviews

I wonder if the psychology of the modern dating game just appeals more to women than men?

I'm in my early fifties now. In my teens, people were either very much in a relationship or not; the idea of going on a date with someone to see if you wanted a relationship was something alien we saw on American television. By my thirties, I'd largely opted out of the whole thing.

The idea of going on a date which was effectively a job interview seemed a very unappealing way of spending an evening when there was the alternative of doing something I enjoyed. If I met somebody that way, well and good; if not, it didn't matter – I was out having fun, doing things I wanted to do. I met women who were attracted to me and I not them, women to whom I was attracted and they not me, and on it went.

Eventually I met the woman who is now my wife quite by accident, through friends.

I did once, for a magazine article I agreed to write, go to a speed-dating night. It was hell on earth for me – I hated it. I dabbled very briefly with internet dating as well, but never went on a date because I never saw anyone I thought would be a match. It all felt pointless.

PadraigMahone

Let things happen naturally

It was the same decades ago. I once got asked to join a speed-dating night as there weren't enough men. I'd just had a bad accident, so I explained to the organiser that I was in no fit state to go looking for a date; I'd come just for the fun of it.

I had to fill in a form where you had to describe yourself in three words. Assuming I would get no dates whatsoever, I wrote "toothless, not heartless." Then I sat down with each girl and explained I was here just for fun – because, well, look at the state of me.

To my surprise, every single girl put me top of their list – and even the girl organising the event asked me out. The other guys didn't get a look in because they were trying to be "sensitive, caring, and kind" like they had written down –and this went absolutely nowhere.

There's a serious point here – men don't like dating events because they feel forced and synthetic. The format itself runs against the grain of how many men are wired to court. Being lined up for inspection, filling in forms, rotating on a timer – not just uncomfortable, but actively undermines the qualities that tend to make men attractive in the first place: spontaneity, confidence, a bit of mystery. Hard to be mysterious when you're wearing a name badge. It doesn't feel particularly "blokey" to offer yourself out for selection.

Dating events aren't struggling because men are emotionally stunted or commitment-averse – they're failing because the environment selects against natural confidence and rewards a kind of performed sensitivity that most people, including the women attending, can smell from a mile off.

Far better to go, have some fun, and let things happen naturally – even when you're least expecting it!

Sneaker

I’d head to an event over an app

I have to say that for someone who hasn't been dating for 30 years, this goes against what I would have expected – i.e., men outnumbering women 15:1 rather than the other way round.

If I ever found myself dating again, I'd have thought I'd head to an event like this long before I'd join an app, to be honest. But maybe that's just me.

GoodGriefCharlieBrown

Some of the comments have been edited for this article for brevity and clarity.
 
Feeling bad for people in their 30s finding it harder and harder to date after they spent their 20s doing anything and everything except trying to find a spouse--not a "relationship"--is like feeling sorry for someone who didn't get into law school after sleeping through every class and graduating with a 1.2 GPA.
 
I've never been to any of these events in my life, but that's probably because I never really cared.
For me, its that I've never been invited to or sold on one, and never seen them IRL anywhere. As far as Im concerned they're a fake TV scenario or a social lie that's made up to scare young people like Krampus.
 
For me, its that I've never been invited to or sold on one, and never seen them IRL anywhere. As far as Im concerned they're a fake TV scenario or a social lie that's made up to scare young people like Krampus.
I think they have to be regional because it wasn’t a thing in regular towns. Maybe San Francisco or Los Angeles though. I could definitely see Silicon Valley doing it with all the tech nerds working too long to have a social life.
 
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It's so bad out there that if you're under 50 and not obese there is a man willing to take you on as a serious prospect. I feel like you have to be giga radioactive as a woman to need to resort to dating events instead of just accepting the male attention that's already out there or just being willing to make the first moves and signal availability to anyone you find okay.
 
It's so bad out there that if you're under 50 and not obese there is a man willing to take you on as a serious prospect. I feel like you have to be giga radioactive as a woman to need to resort to dating events instead of just accepting the male attention that's already out there or just being willing to make the first moves and signal availability to anyone you find okay.
This is very very confused. You are trying to apply logic to a creature that evolved over millions of years to eschew logic.

Women evolved to want to fuck the best man in the tribe. She wants the best genes sprayed in her womb, and the most resources to make sure her offspring survive and thrive. Unfortunately, in the 21st century, “the tribe” means “every hot guy in the world via Instagram”, and you do not stand a chance of competing.

Women don’t do “okay”. Okay is not happening. Women feel a deep disgust at the idea of settling for okay. It feels like they are betraying their species and their mother and their grandmother, etc.

Women will occasionally make the first move, but it will never be for an okay man. The two circumstances where women make the first move are:
1. He’s super hot or super rich, he hasn’t noticed her, and she will curse herself if she doesn’t at least try to make something happen
2. She’s already got a boyfriend or husband, he’s pissed her off, and she wants to get some revenge and fuck another man tonight
 
This format, that format, vidya games, feminism, blah blah blah.

When is anyone going to talk about how atomization has made everyone so self centered and insufferable that no one could possibly date them? Everyone sucks.
This is it. Relationships require sacrifice and compromise in order to work. Most people these days are self serving, and we live in such a low trust society that the thought of giving up anything is immediately met with, "but what do I get in return?" and that's not how healthy, functioning relationships work.
 
This is very very confused. You are trying to apply logic to a creature that evolved over millions of years to eschew logic.

Women evolved to want to fuck the best man in the tribe. She wants the best genes sprayed in her womb, and the most resources to make sure her offspring survive and thrive. Unfortunately, in the 21st century, “the tribe” means “every hot guy in the world via Instagram”, and you do not stand a chance of competing.

Women don’t do “okay”. Okay is not happening. Women feel a deep disgust at the idea of settling for okay. It feels like they are betraying their species and their mother and their grandmother, etc.

Women will occasionally make the first move, but it will never be for an okay man. The two circumstances where women make the first move are:
1. He’s super hot or super rich, he hasn’t noticed her, and she will curse herself if she doesn’t at least try to make something happen
2. She’s already got a boyfriend or husband, he’s pissed her off, and she wants to get some revenge and fuck another man tonight
I'm a woman, you don't need to do the spiel on me. And I'm also not saying a lot would do that, but that it's an option, they also know it's an option but the allure of their own fantasies screws them over.

That's the biggest thing with the dating "market" bull is that we think people not getting their fantasy life is some sort of black mark against the state of the world rather than an admission on their part of childish obsessions.

The issue isn't convincing these people of how they could make better choices but of convincing them to stop wanting to make their fantasy a reality and having emotional attachment to it.
 
The issue isn't convincing these people of how they could make better choices but of convincing them to stop wanting to make their fantasy a reality and having emotional attachment to it.
I totally agree. It’s the key issue, and a very thorny issue.

Some smart folks wrestled with it and ultimately came up with a solution that mostly works: establish a society that’s built around the idea that if a woman doesn’t become a faithful wife to the okay husband that’s been chosen for her, she will be subject to eternal damnation and hellfire. After all, why do you think two out of the Ten Commandments are dedicated to adultery/fidelity?
 
It's so bad out there that if you're under 50 and not obese there is a man willing to take you on as a serious prospect. I feel like you have to be giga radioactive as a woman to need to resort to dating events instead of just accepting the male attention that's already out there or just being willing to make the first moves and signal availability to anyone you find okay.
You have to understand, for women to accept the attention that’s out there already is similar to this

Allen Osborne was taken into custody after he allegedly engaged in sexual relations with a dead deer.
 
It's so bad out there that if you're under 50 and not obese there is a man willing to take you on as a serious prospect. I feel like you have to be giga radioactive as a woman to need to resort to dating events instead of just accepting the male attention that's already out there or just being willing to make the first moves and signal availability to anyone you find okay.
If even a hambeast like Chantal can get laid, so can anyone else.
 
I think the real issue with women not wanting to date men under a certain height is that generally speaking short men are very bitter and resentful about being short because of how they feel in comparison to other men. Height challenged men are fine when they chill out and just roll with it and genuinely have confidence.

I do sympathise with men and the women theyre faced with these days in the dating pool. A lot of them seem pretty unhinged and have zero chill.

I think when it comes to men AND women Countess Luann said it best
 

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Feminists and women give such awful dating "advice" that I can not help but think that it's inherently malicious. It's not just bad advice, it's advice that's liable to get you in genuine trouble as well.
Don't listen to women, listen to @Sexual Chocolate
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I only want to see you laughing in the purple rain ☔
Women be like:

>6 feet tall
>6 inch dick
>6 figures a year
Who knew there were so many poor midgets with tiny dicks :c
 
For me, its that I've never been invited to or sold on one, and never seen them IRL anywhere. As far as Im concerned they're a fake TV scenario or a social lie that's made up to scare young people like Krampus.
I've seen them. What you have to understand is some of us Kiwis are older and Singles Night's or Speed dating events were always AROUND but they usually came with a big stigma for the men and women who went to them. They were often seen as something very embarrassing to attend. If you had to go to them, as either sex, it was seen as if there was something wrong with you.

That being said, I do have a friend who recently went to one, and based on other replies here, I wonder if maybe things are different now. Things do change.

just being willing to make the first moves and signal availability to anyone you find okay.
Part of me wonders if the issue is that women have also seen dating apps as a zero sum game and maybe take to these events more nowadays as a halfway measure. You still get to see and know the person as if it's a dating app, because these things are basically job interviews, but you also get to the actual meeting them part.

Part of what I always thought women's trouble with online dating is the freedom of choice and choice paralysis. When you eliminate that and you're forced to physically be in a room with someone, it's probably easier to pick out someone you're interested in.

I think the real issue with women not wanting to date men under a certain height is that generally speaking short men are very bitter and resentful about being short because of how they feel in comparison to other men.
That's because short men are discriminated against by both sexes openly and unlike MGTOW, or Feminism, there really isn't and has never been a defense force for short men. There has never been a societal focused effort to destigmatize them. There's never been any societal force that's been beneficial to them. They were always seen as weaker and lesser and nobody, and I mean NOBODY- stands up for them.

Asking them to mellow out is impossible because "mellowing out" isn't their problem. Their problem is actually, other people don't let them mellow out. Seriously, you grow up scrolling through Twitter nowadays and see a bunch of hoes tell you that you deserve to die because you're 5'2 and see how sane you come out. You wouldn't, and you can't, because it's impossible.

Ironically the only place where short men actually EXCEL is in modern warfare and combat. They have coverage and mobility advantage, they have a good strength to mass ratio for accomplishing certain tasks. A lot of special ops guys you'll find are on the mid-range height or shorter side.
 
The issue isn't convincing these people of how they could make better choices but of convincing them to stop wanting to make their fantasy a reality and having emotional attachment to it.
Yeah, that's not happening.
Now I got lucky and bagged a wife, but I don't envy other men.
With the 7/10s and above you're competing with the top 1% of men, for anyone below thst you're competing with the fantasy of Ferdinand the Minotaur with his 2 feet long schlong kidnapping them and bringing them to his European palace
 
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