He Man Reboot Announced

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I did not bother watching Part 2 because I hated Part 1 so much, but I did listen to Clownfish's rundown of it and I can't say that I am surprised by any of it. Its the same old garbage.

I am absolutely convinced that the people that wrote this with Kevin were not as knowledgeable about the source material as they claimed to be. Kevin is not a fan. I knew that the second the project was announced. He was already a teenager when the original series was released, so there is no way he has an attachment to it, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Good writing can still be good writing regardless of whether or not you have a connection to the brand.

However, the people working with Kevin were purported to be knowledgeable and I have severe doubts because they did things that no fan would have ever done. Orko was "Orko the Great" on his homeworld, not a gigantic loser. Evil Lyn's father in the 2002 series was The Faceless One, a mysterious being whom she betrayed to go join up with Skeletor, a backstory we only got glimpses of as the show got cancelled and could have been followed up on here....oh well. Oh, and Preternia being reconceptualized as He-Man heaven, when any die hard dork fan knows it was Eternia's past...hence the name PREternia. You know about prefixes and what Pre- means, right?!?!

I'm not taking the heat off of Kevin. Not at all. He is the one that lied when promoting this thing, went after Clowfish, and set himself up for disaster. And he also went along with all the brain dead ideas that were being thrown out. And if he was as talented a writer as he thinks he is, he would have recognized that having a He-Man show that shits on He-Man endlessly is a bad idea.

As a fan, I am just disappointed that we had a (mostly) perfect voice cast, the perfect animation studio, and all the lore with unanswered questions to work with to tell a story. The writers just fucked everything up to the point where the CGI show for children is considered vastly superior in every conceivable way.
 
The fantasy around this is the same as Harley Quinn and why she's popular. "I'm so damaged because my boyfriend is a monster, but really I'm a strong woman. Feel sorry for me and worship me." Its all about "strong women" blaming others in their lives and realizing that they're the best evar all along without anybody holding them back.
 
RumblyTumbly said:
I did not bother watching Part 2 because I hated Part 1 so much, but I did listen to Clownfish's rundown of it and I can't say that I am surprised by any of it. Its the same old garbage.

I am absolutely convinced that the people that wrote this with Kevin were not as knowledgeable about the source material as they claimed to be. Kevin is not a fan. I knew that the second the project was announced. He was already a teenager when the original series was released, so there is no way he has an attachment to it, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Good writing can still be good writing regardless of whether or not you have a connection to the brand.

However, the people working with Kevin were purported to be knowledgeable and I have severe doubts because they did things that no fan would have ever done. Orko was "Orko the Great" on his homeworld, not a gigantic loser. Evil Lyn's father in the 2002 series was The Faceless One, a mysterious being whom she betrayed to go join up with Skeletor, a backstory we only got glimpses of as the show got cancelled and could have been followed up on here....oh well. Oh, and Preternia being reconceptualized as He-Man heaven, when any die hard dork fan knows it was Eternia's past...hence the name PREternia. You know about prefixes and what Pre- means, right?!?!

I'm not taking the heat off of Kevin. Not at all. He is the one that lied when promoting this thing, went after Clowfish, and set himself up for disaster. And he also went along with all the brain dead ideas that were being thrown out. And if he was as talented a writer as he thinks he is, he would have recognized that having a He-Man show that shits on He-Man endlessly is a bad idea.

As a fan, I am just disappointed that we had a (mostly) perfect voice cast, the perfect animation studio, and all the lore with unanswered questions to work with to tell a story. The writers just fucked everything up to the point where the CGI show for children is considered vastly superior in every conceivable way.
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In regards to the people working with Kevin Smith on this project, did Kevin himself hire those people, or was it the higher-ups that did that? If it's the former, then it's sounding like a Neil Druckmann situation, where he surrounds himself with Yes-Men, and fires people who object to that, such as the rumors about play testers for The Last of Us 2 getting fired, for not liking the game.
 
Grand Wizard Wakka said:
The fantasy around this is the same as Harley Quinn and why she's popular. "I'm so damaged because my boyfriend is a monster, but really I'm a strong woman. Feel sorry for me and worship me." Its all about "strong women" blaming others in their lives and realizing that they're the best evar all along without anybody holding them back.
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Compete inverse of her being an evil scumbag who is wholly completed by Keldor, who himself is an evil scumbag. Unholy matrimony at it’s finest.

Then he jumped headfirst into insanity and the relationship kinda died.
 
Its amazing to me that this show did things I always wanted to see as a kid:

  1. Skeletor gain the powers of Grayskull
  2. Evil Lyn betray Skeletor, which we technically got in the 2002 series, but still
  3. Teela become The Sorceress

The fact that they did all of that and still managed to weave it into a story that made me want to vomit is even more upsetting.
 
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RumblyTumbly said:
Its amazing to me that this show did things I always wanted to see as a kid:

  1. Skeletor gain the powers of Grayskull
  2. Evil Lyn betray Skeletor, which we technically got in the 2002 series, but still
  3. Teela become The Sorceress

The fact that they did all of that and still managed to weave it into a story that made me want to vomit is even more upsetting.
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The worst part is they only did the first part to sell a hideously expensive toy The Skelegod Toy is 30 bucks, and if they weren't able to charge extra cause he is huge and complex they would have just left the guy dead.
 
So I just found out that The Horde was teased at the end of this thing to set up a second season that I can't fathom would see the light of day.

But for argument's sake, lets say we get a Revelations Season 2.

If they bring in Hordak, my immediate thought is "Oh, so he's going to get nerfed and Shadow Weaver (or fuck, maybe even Catra) is going to be the REAL bad guy because Men suck and Women are better". At this point I feel like General Patton....I've read your goddamn book. Bait and switch to shove in identity politics is your game plan, so I have no reason to beleive that any male characters will be treated with much respect, and I also have no reason to believe you can write the female characters well and you will only make them worse through your shitty method of elevating them.

And this is coming from someone that actually preferred Shadow Weaver as a character over Hordak when I watched She-Ra as a kid, but when you approach everything with the woke lens....it just turns to shit.
 
FreedomMussel said:
I’m astonished by how the cgi reboot hits many of the same notes, but the execution isn’t insufferable.
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One was made for children, the other for man-children.

Even Netflix knows that if children don’t find a show entertaining, they’re just not gonna fucking watch it, which in turn means they’re not gonna ask mommy and daddy to buy the toys. Man-children on the other hand are going to consooooooom regardless because of nostalgia.
 
Part 2 was better than part 1, but still suffers from just the dumbest of plot choices. A lot is done because someone said "wouldn't it be cool if-" and not because it made sense.
Evil Lyn destroys heaven with a thought, yet struggles to beat 3 people?
Too much of the show is cynical and sneering, and so the parts that are cool
Orko coming back and kicking ass, Teela telling Adam he's her Hero, and He-Man getting to do cool shit
don't make up for the cynical weight of the rest of the show.
 
Heckler1 said:
A lot is done because someone said "wouldn't it be cool if-" and not because it made sense.
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This idiotic question is how a lot of our favorite franchises growing up were ruined. Alien got ruined because execs thought "wouldn't it be cool if we tortured Ripley by killing her family repeatedly and then made the series about a wannabe male Shodan clone?", Dune got ruined because Brain Herbert thought "wouldn't it be cool if Paul Atreides comes back tens of thousands of years after death as a clone and fights his evil twin Paulo?," StarCraft got ruined because the writers thought "wouldn't it be cool if we made the leader of our Starship Troopers bug ripoffs the hero's psycho ex-girlfriend even though that doesn't fit their established aesthetics and modus operandi in the slightest?"... and that's before the current SJW craze, which if anything has simplified all the questions to "wouldn't it be cool if I turned this established franchise into fanfiction for my feminist Mary Sue?".

It's so frustrating. Normally I'd just brush it off and move on to a different fandom that scratched the same itch, but these are IPs that dominate their genres and don't have competitors.
 
FreedomMussel said:
This idiotic question is how a lot of our favorite franchises growing up were ruined. Alien got ruined because execs thought "wouldn't it be cool if we tortured Ripley by killing her family repeatedly and then made the series about a wannabe male Shodan clone?", Dune got ruined because Brain Herbert thought "wouldn't it be cool if Paul Atreides comes back tens of thousands of years after death as a clone and fights his evil twin Paulo?," StarCraft got ruined because the writers thought "wouldn't it be cool if we made the leader of our Starship Troopers bug ripoffs the hero's psycho ex-girlfriend even though that doesn't fit their established aesthetics and modus operandi in the slightest?"... and that's before the current SJW craze, which if anything has simplified all the questions to "wouldn't it be cool if I turned this established franchise into fanfiction for my feminist Mary Sue?".

It's so frustrating. Normally I'd just brush it off and move on to a different fandom that scratched the same itch, but these are IPs that dominate their genres and don't have competitors.
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The worst thing is, if the show could be fixed with some changes. Make Teela's beginning arc be about how she left because she's grieving the loss of Adam and can't stand to be in the palace anymore, also let her know he's the Sorceress' daughter right in the beginning. So we see her use magic throughout part one, but in a rough, combaty way. This sets up her being able to do magic shit without literal Mary Sue powers activating. If you want you can keep much of the journey the same ( don't kill Orko, thats retarded), and the next change comes when they get to He-Heaven. They find Adam disheveled, because he has been trying to get back to Eternia all this time, but it turns out it's hard to escape the afterlife. Teela and Adam manage to get back to Grayskull (Sorceress and Champion working together). Skeletor gets the power, but HE's the one who wants to go Super Skeletor, not Evilyn. The final showdown is Teela and He-Man (he can transform because she acts as the conduit to Grayskull instead of the sword) versus Super Skeletor, and they have to work together to take him down. They beat him (if you wany giiiiiirl power, have Teela figure out the way to make Skeletor lose the power) and then the OG sorceress (who gets her power back once skeletor has been nerfed) does some magic thingy to banish Skeletor to another dimension. So, great ending, no one dies, Teela is learning magic, her and Adam are crushing on each other.
For the Horde tease, have Skeletor in chains in a room while the camera slowly pans out, and you see the Horde symbol ona wall or something.
 
I dont care about He Man, I think its gay, but I skimmed the last episode and found an interesting dialogue, when Heman is wrestling with skeletor and he says "its not about us". It can refer to HeMan and Skeletor, which would be stupid because people who like He Man wants to see his adventures, it could also be a woke message that modern times is all about non male, non white identities.
 
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