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It's worldbuilding decisions like this that makes it so much fun to pick apart everything wrong with Vivz' shows.
Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread
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my hazbin hotel season 1 bluray came in. came with the trading card and small poster.
ganna make a little display stand for it
ganna make a little display stand for it
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This post smells like soy.
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hell no. only protein mein nigger.
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Are you fucking kidding me?
Why would you retcon so much like this? And when it breaks your story this way?
I don’t believe it.
It's hard to say if this was a retcon or if this piece of lore was always meant to be but was just poorly executed. I could believe either to be the case. It doesn't help that the whole exterminations was just kind of background element for most of the to move the plot along instead of thins terrible occurrence that affects everyone.
None of the main cast has lost a family member of friend from the extermination. They don't talk about how they barely survived the last extermination or show concern on the upcoming one. Most of their problems that they deal with come from Hell itself. The only character who has been directly affected by the exterminations seems to be Carmilla as it's heavily implied that she lost her husband to it, and she doesn't want the same thing to happen to her daughter. But then you have to wonder why is she manufacturing and selling angelic weapons to the citizens of Hell. You think she would be destroying any angelic weapon she finds.
Charlie doesn't want her people to get slaughtered, so that's why she made the hotel to redeem Sinners in the first place. But now that the exterminations have been called off, it seems almost pointless. It wasn't like she was trying to get Sinners into Heaven before the exterminations. She has achieved her goal. The main incentive for why someone would join the hotel in the first place is now gone. Most sinners appear to enjoy their sinful lifestyle, and from what we see what Heaven is life, would hate it up there.
Vox was the only person to use the exterminations and their aftermath to his advantage and to achieve his own goals. In the pilot, which may not even be canon anymore, we see Rosie cross out her business partner's name and she seems to be please with it. Is it possible that there would be people in Hell who see advantages to the exterminations that are happening and would want them to be continued? It's a way to permanently get rid of enemies and rivals. What about the people who can't handle the eternal torment of Hell anymore and want to completely stop existing?
TLDR: The show doesn't explore all the intricacies that came from the exterminations and probably never will, and that's disappointing.
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also posted this in Vivienne's own thread, but I think it belongs here too:
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If souls that are "too evil" get poofed out of existence why even have a hell to begin with? It's supposed to be eternal punishment for people who never sought absolution and got themselves tossed in the pot, if people can be "too evil" and can just be wiped from existence why not just do that to every sinner?
Up until like a month ago the idea of redeeming sinners wasn't even a thought, so why not just alt+del all the shitheads in hell and avoid the overpopulation problem entirely?
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"We're making a show about Hell and yet we're really too retarded and autistic to face the actual concept of evil and what redemption would mean."
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Maybe angels were patrolling Hell before the extermination/trying to keep Lilith's "pro-Sinners" movement from getting out of hand? Vivziepop seems like enough of a libtard to make the Exorcist angels into some kinda heavy handed "anti-Trump deploying National Guard into shithole crime ridden cities" metaphor.
Weren't the Exorcist angels/exterminations a secret? Maybe it was also a secret from the Heaven higher up (idk, Jesus?)/whoever would have had the authority & power to snap their fingers & kill all sinners? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Honestly, it feels like a lot of the show's Heaven/Hell tension could easily be solved with a simple Heaven-to-Hell hotline; like what the US & Soviets had during the Cold War. Alas, that is too smart of a plot device for Vivziepop Heaven, which seems to be run entirely by retards.
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The thing is since the show never alludes to this being the case, we can't say this for sure to be true. Hazbin Hotel especially has this problem where to explain a plot hole or confusion away, you have to come up with your own headcanon.
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LoL Alastroon looks like a retarded Dante in the last spoiler comic.
They would probably would be ready to - ahem - unleash the furyCame back here in forever to say that I hope someone somewhere spread that cute image of Stella and Octavia around to piss off the toxic Stolitz fans
with Caps Lock engaged."WHO THE FUCK IS MAKING STUFF WITH MY BABY IDC ABOUT THIS IN MY TIMELINE GET OUT NOW NOW NOW"
And other lovely takes as such.
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When it comes to Nazis, wouldn't it be easier to say those guys just got tossed into the Wrath ring and are busy fighting demons or are too washed up to even assemble shit?
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It would be interesting! But unfortunately sinners are only allowed in Pride for some reason and really, Viv doesn’t have the balls to put Nazis in her gay little demon furry paradise.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that she probably wouldn't have a problem with putting nazis into hell, she didn't used to have a problem making edgy jokes about nazism, she's just beholden to the woke and LGBTQ cult to not do anything to upset them.
And she's probably sunk into the mindset of "rehabilitate hell as being full of poor, oppwesed gayz that are being bullied by heaven." But she's not gonna go so far as to put nazis in heaven either.
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I wonder if Robert "Radiation" Fox, who is someone who did a better job erasing his past on the internet in order to scour the "bad wrongthink jokes". What would have done?
Would he have done the so called 3-D chess plan to learn Japanese and move to Japan to say he """forgot""" how to make Hell edgy or something?
Would he have done the so called 3-D chess plan to learn Japanese and move to Japan to say he """forgot""" how to make Hell edgy or something?
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Well there was a character introduced with the intent of challenging Charlie's view of redemption, but...
I feel like this is the biggest problem for the show for me. Viv wants to have her cake and eat it too when it comes to her depiction of Hell. She wants to make Hell an absolutely rancid cesspool of the worst of the worst as a way to show how alien the concept of redeeming sinners is... but she doesn't want to actually show the worst of the worst like genocidal dictators, slave traffickers, or child molesters.
Bigotry is an awful thing, but what makes it so awful is how it can fuel some of the worst crimes in history, like the Trail of Tears, the Rape of Nanking, or the Holocaust.I find it amusing that if this statement is canon at all, it implies that in universe it is objectively 'less evil' to be a bigot since you skip out on eternal damnation. You can go to hell for the simple crime of passion of murdering your blatantly cheating husband and feeling guilt for doing so, making you viable to get stuck with the scum of the earth in the afterlife but ruh-roh, little Ernst conscripted to the german army during WW2, some /pol/sperg with an AR15 on his crusade to ethnically cleance his nearest Walmart or the single most vile person in the history of humanity thought badly of jews, minorities, commies and/or trannies when they croaked and poof. They're gone, they get lifted of all consequence of mortal life while you toil away with all other queers, rapists and all matter of degenerates and sodomites in Pride Ring for all eternity.
Again, what did Viv mean by this???
Being antisemetic is bad, but joining the KKK to lynch every Jewish person in your neighborhood because you're antisemetic is objectively worse.
Or maybe the Nazis are being confined to a prison in the lowest ring of Hell, like how Tartarus served as a prison for the Titans in Greek mythology.
Also, what if a sinner crosses the "too evil" threshold while in Hell? Do they just fade out of existence?
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Merry Christmas the fucking uploads are working again! Viv you still suck. Lol'a and Lou-la say hi and Merry CHRISTmas!
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But rapists are fine I guess.
Charlie does get offended when people compare her to Hitler, so he at one point did exist in this universe. The question is would Charlie be willing to have someone like that stay at her hotel to redeem themselves. Actually, she probably wouldn't even know if someone like Hitler ended up in her hotel cause she never for whatever reason asks the past of her patients.
Dr. Charles Forbin
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Trust me, Hitler is alive and cordoned himself and his followers off in aryanheaven because he didn't want the trve white race to be surrounded by the depraved furfags in troonheaven and hell
In the final season it will look like the Root of all Evil is about to win but just before all is lost Hitler will appear with his army of aryan giganazis and BTFO her for being an irredeemable jooish vantablack niggerfaggot with his heccin' evil chud powers, thus demolishing all of hell and creating Hell 2, better known as niggerhell. In his final moments he will make it clear how humans get into aryanheaven because that's the whole conflict of this show o algo: "You VVILL not be a goyniggerfaggot, you VVILL make gems and you VVILL not make fun of SNCA because you just won't, okay?" The final arc of the story has Charlie coping and sneeding about having to come to terms with Hitler being the gemerald that saved this retarded brimmy show
This is all real and straight the 9yo kids leaked the script again btw if it matters
In the final season it will look like the Root of all Evil is about to win but just before all is lost Hitler will appear with his army of aryan giganazis and BTFO her for being an irredeemable jooish vantablack niggerfaggot with his heccin' evil chud powers, thus demolishing all of hell and creating Hell 2, better known as niggerhell. In his final moments he will make it clear how humans get into aryanheaven because that's the whole conflict of this show o algo: "You VVILL not be a goyniggerfaggot, you VVILL make gems and you VVILL not make fun of SNCA because you just won't, okay?" The final arc of the story has Charlie coping and sneeding about having to come to terms with Hitler being the gemerald that saved this retarded brimmy show
This is all real and straight the 9yo kids leaked the script again btw if it matters
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"If a famous soul ends up in hell they tend to get singled out by most everyone and hunted. Most get killed quickly or locked away in some overlords private soul collection, protected from other demons. Others learn to hide. Only rarely are souls powerful enough to immediately take on a major fight in hell. Out of character we don't want to write about historic figures." - would have sufficed.