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Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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Thoughts on the theory that the cannibal lady hired Blitzø to kill Alistair immediately after they made the deal and she convinced him it was an accident by a human?
Doesn't work timeline wise. Blitzo is mid-late 30s at most. Alastor died 90ish years ago in the 1930s. People had the same theory about Vox (died 1950s) which also falls apart for the same reason.

Of course, this assumes Viv doesn't do some kind of crazy ass pull like "hell time is different" or something retarded.

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There's also a brief glimpse of the legs on the guy that kills Alastor and it doesn't look anything like Blitzo, just a regular human. Also he has a dog.

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Damn fr? I just started watching it. How was it handled?
To be honest, I haven't finished watching Season 2 yet. I'm only on Episode 1 of Season 2. It was my friend who told me about the tranny thing. Apparently, later in Season 2, one of the characters lifts up his shirt and there's top surgery scars there. I don't think it's made into a big deal and is just kind of a "if you know, you know" thing, like the Helluva Boss trans imps that you can tell they're trans because of their horns, but I haven't actually gotten to that episode yet, so I don't know. Either way, it's mega retarded since the point of the show is that they're genderbent. But I still plan to watch the rest of it.
 
To be honest, I haven't finished watching Season 2 yet. I'm only on Episode 1 of Season 2. It was my friend who told me about the tranny thing. Apparently, later in Season 2, one of the characters lifts up his shirt and there's top surgery scars there. I don't think it's made into a big deal and is just kind of a "if you know, you know" thing, like the Helluva Boss trans imps that you can tell they're trans because of their horns, but I haven't actually gotten to that episode yet, so I don't know. Either way, it's mega retarded since the point of the show is that they're genderbent. But I still plan to watch the rest of it.
Lmao when I first saw the character I thought she was a butch woman, with the obviously female voice and all. Apparently even cartoon characters can be clocky.
 
Doesn't work timeline wise. Blitzo is mid-late 30s at most. Alastor died 90ish years ago in the 1930s. People had the same theory about Vox (died 1950s) which also falls apart for the same reason.

Of course, this assumes Viv doesn't do some kind of crazy ass pull like "hell time is different" or something retarded.

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There's also a brief glimpse of the legs on the guy that kills Alastor and it doesn't look anything like Blitzo, just a regular human. Also he has a dog.

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Wow, and the guy looks like a man. Not a faggot. Incredible.
 
Lute was my favorite in season 2, but it really upsets me that nothing was really done with her character in season 2. She had her angst, but she sounded like she was going to go behind Abel and start a war with Hell after her song.
 
There's also a brief glimpse of the legs on the guy that kills Alastor and it doesn't look anything like Blitzo, just a regular human. Also he has a dog.

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Dick Cheyney?

Lute was my favorite in season 2, but it really upsets me that nothing was really done with her character in season 2. She had her angst, but she sounded like she was going to go behind Abel and start a war with Hell after her song.
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This is how I mentally see Lute now.
 
I like how the vote says the series will turn to shit but with s2 id say the series has been doing the opposite
 
Doesn't work timeline wise. Blitzo is mid-late 30s at most. Alastor died 90ish years ago in the 1930s. People had the same theory about Vox (died 1950s) which also falls apart for the same reason.

Of course, this assumes Viv doesn't do some kind of crazy ass pull like "hell time is different" or something retarded.

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There's also a brief glimpse of the legs on the guy that kills Alastor and it doesn't look anything like Blitzo, just a regular human. Also he has a dog.

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"Mistaken? No, I meant to shoot the twink in the head with a 30-06 rifle."
 
I like how the vote says the series will turn to shit but with s2 id say the series has been doing the opposite
It's not like season 2 is any...better. Sure, I may like season 2 more than season 1, but that's not saying much. There still are many issues that plague season 2, and I can't really say I like any of these characters. Vox was entertaining, sure, but as a character I'm not sure if I really like him.
 
Now I was going to share my thoughts of Hazbin season 2; what I liked and what I disliked, but that's boring and frankly this show sucks.

Instead I will present...

Why Lego The Adventures of Clutch Powers Is Better Than Anything Released In The Last 10 Years
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Clutch Powers is a simple movie, made on a budget to match. It was probably animated in a Jutland shed by a drunk Polish immigrant. But there are three points that Clutch Powers accomplishes in 82 minutes that many serials, like Hazbin, cannot in 8 episodes.

POINT 1: The Characters Are Comprehensible

A convoluted character is not inherently a deep one. I can tell you about each and every character in Clutch Powers. Take Clutch, the main protagonist. He's a famous adventurer, he's reckless, but competent, he doesn't work well with teams, and he works for Lego City. We learn all of this within the first 5 minutes of the film!
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The basics are all set up, but we also later learn later he was inspired by his adventurer father who went missing a few years ago. This adds slightly more depth, and context to Clutch, but in theory the movie could work without this information; the basic character is already established and understood by the viewer.

Why does Charlie do anything? What motivates her really? "To redeem sinners?" Why? Where did she get this idea? What traits does she have that help her accomplish this goal? Do we know anything about her really? And even if we do, why should we care? And the best part? We don't even know what redeeming sinners really means, or if it is a goal worth pursuing at all!

POINT 2: The Plot Isn't A Hedge Maze

Clutch Powers has two main conflicts that intertwine with each other. The first is Clutch and his team learning to work together. At the beginning they can't work together and an evil wizard, Mallock, escapes space jail to return to his planet. Overtime they learn to work together and eventually work as one to defeat Mallock the evil wizard.
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The second conflict arises from the first. Mallock returns to his planet intent on retaking it for himself, thus the team has to help Prince Varen defeat Mallock and save his kingdom.

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Varen, like Clutch, has big shoes to fill from his late father. At the beginning of the movie, he's meek and childish, but with Clutch's help he grows and becomes the King his people need him to be, and strikes the decisive blow against Mallock.

What is the conflict of Hazbin season 2? Well there's the hotel and Vox. The first is forgotten about very quickly, and the second we don't really know fully until the last few episodes. All we know is that Vox is up to no good. Then we later learn he wants to invade heaven. Why? What does he intend to accomplish? Is this even possible? Is this even a bad outcome? And what has changed by the end of the story? Have things gotten better? Gotten worse? Why should anyone care?


POINT 3: It Doesn't Waste Your Time

I never want to see one more scene of characters talking at each other or singing. Hazbin has 16 episodes and nothing has happened. Nothing has changed. I watch an episode and feel empty. I think to myself, "well maybe this next one will be better", only to be burned once more. Rinse and repeat until the finale. I'd gain more from staring at a brick wall. A lego brick wall perhaps.

The Good The Bad And The Ugly

Clutch Powers is a silly example to use, but it illustrates that a simple story is sometimes better then a meaningless one.
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The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly is a very simple film. The three main characters are described in the title. You see them in the first 20 minutes of the film and understand each. Their motivation is simple as well, a grave full of gold.

And yet? It's one of the best films of all time.

CONCLUSION

Hazbin is only interesting because it's bad and homosexual.
 
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Helluva Boss has arguably gotten a lot worse, so I'd say we're breaking even
I had finally forgotten about HB :bossman: and now i have to remember
It's not like season 2 is any...better. Sure, I may like season 2 more than season 1, but that's not saying much. There still are many issues that plague season 2, and I can't really say I like any of these characters. Vox was entertaining, sure, but as a character I'm not sure if I really like him.
I see it as a chart. The start is baseline. So for the poll to be correct it must get worse. However so far it seems everyone agrees it got better in one way or another for season 2. Thus line go up and poll is btfo.

Checkmate :smug:
 
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i have a specific beef with angel dust. despite all of his fuckin sins the fact the big reveal was he was a murderer is crazy. I know the gay thing cant be the reason because "progress" but like... drug abuse? why not that?
Did he only start doing drugs once he got into Hell?
like there is so much more here that could work and tackle other subjects. The whole murder thing is just so lame.
It's sad how of all things, an Owl House fanfic I read has a better depiction of sinners and Hell than the entire Hellaverse.

For context, one of the characters is reimagined as the Norse goddess Hel, who made a deal with Satan to handle some of his outsourced cases like Joseph Stalin or Richard Huckle. In addition, Hel has several zombie servants who were awful people in life, like human traffickers and slave owners. Corrupt fast food CEOs are janitors, serial killers decorate the chandelier, and diamond mine owners are forced to babysit baby fire giants.

It doesn't pull punches on why people go to Hell and makes it clear these people deserve their punishment. At the same time, natural-born residents aren't suffering because this is their home, not because everyone does drugs and orgies.
Charlie acts and looks like she’s in her twenties despite being the daughter of a guy who met God once.
I feel like they could lean more into the immortality aspect if they treated Charlie's immortality like Frieren did.

"You were a fascist dictator for what, 25 years? That's nothing! I'm sure you can chsnge."
I laughed out loud when Vox said, “murder” all dramatic like. This show has made it abundantly clear from the beginning that murder is extraordinarily common, and we’re even aware that those who die essentially just respawn somewhere in the Ring, so there is literally no downside to biting the big one.
I'm not really much of a religious guy, but I always thought murder was like the bare minimum sin to get into Hell.
I forget where I read it but one theory of Hell is it is not some vengeful punishment from God that sends you to Hell. It is that you deliberately separate yourself from God and the absence of God is what Hell actually is. That is to say, if you are in Hell, you are actively choosing it.
The Lucifer TV show actually ran with a similar idea in one episode. It's not the sinning that sends you to Hell, but rather, the guilt the sinner feels. Lucifer doesn't force humans to sin and he certainly doesn't keep them trapped in Hell forever. They can leave whenever they want as long as they make peace with their guilt.
Bernie Crane from GTA4 is unironically a more dignified representation of gay guys than Angel is lmao

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Or Oren from Kamen Rider Gaim. Super flamboyant gay man who is also an army veteran and an accomplished pastry chef.
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Why Lego The Adventures of Clutch Powers Is Better Than Anything Released In The Last 10 Years
Just don't bring up his appearance in Ninjago.
 
So apparently the SDCC exclusive vinyls for HB S1 finally shipped over a month late and they look like shit.

This is what was advertised on the SharkRobot website:

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Outer cover with transparency showing the inner cover, and the vinyl had blue/black streaks and red splatters across it.

These are some I've seen posted online so far and they are ass. The outer cover is printed, not transparent, the blue is just not there at all, and the red splatters are mostly just a ring around the inside. Whoever pressed/approved these was completely fucking clueless.

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Over on le reddit someone allegedly emailed SharkRobot to complain and their response was "nobody told us":

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Also on reddit someone claims to have ordered a Verosika standee and got the vinyl instead.

Shitty merch for this series strikes again.
 
I feel like they could lean more into the immortality aspect if they treated Charlie's immortality like Frieren did.

"You were a fascist dictator for what, 25 years? That's nothing! I'm sure you can chsnge."
Something about the canon years of things happening in this universe is so strange to me. "Oh, Stolas is only in his 30s"; "the exterminations have only been happening for 7 years". It makes this otherworldly place seem so small.
 
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