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IDK he's sure had a lot of people inside him according to that flashback
Wait, did I miss another important scene? 🙃

Just wanted to touch on the “ruins his marriage” part. The writers went and made his wife, Stella, a one dimensional bitch and poor representation of an abuser to try and justify him cheating. And the fans fall for it. “But Stella was gonna slap Stolas!” Boo hoo, he slaughtered a bunch of federal agents single handedly and can turn people to stone, and has way more power than her at least at the time. “But she SA’d him!” No, they were required to have at least one heir, so she went on about having to put in all the work and was glad to finally have an egg so that wouldn’t have to happen again. “She called a hitman on him!” That’s probably the worst thing she’s done, but honestly I ran out of sympathy for Stolas ages ago.
They're owl demons, no? That's just biology - during mating, female owls beat the shit out of male owls.

The opposite has always annoyed me too: why aren't there imps in Hazbin? The entire point of them is that they are a lower, subservient class meant to fill menial roles but they never appear in Hazbin, only in Helluva. The opening song had one imp and he was just torturing a soul for no reason and that's the only appearance to my knowledge.
I think there are? I remember seeing imps in the Vox building as random background workers.
 
I've never really understood that either. Why even have the other rings? Why have hellborn exist at all? Heaven created Hell for Lucifer/Lilith so why does any of that exist?

The whole point of Hell was to punish Lucifer. The evil souls he caused get sent down there and he's not allowed to see the good that comes from humanity, only the evil. Okay, fine, so why are there six other fucking layers of Hell that have nothing to do with that?
The whole Hell setting/framework was created after the fact. No one on the team is actually interested in making it logical or cohesive, or even interested in it all.
Viv's goal has always just been relationship drama between sparkle-animal-twink OCs, but that's not a show or plot, so she had to create some vaguely coherent conceit to have something to pitch to distributors.
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I've never really understood that either. Why even have the other rings? Why have hellborn exist at all? Heaven created Hell for Lucifer/Lilith so why does any of that exist?

The whole point of Hell was to punish Lucifer. The evil souls he caused get sent down there and he's not allowed to see the good that comes from humanity, only the evil. Okay, fine, so why are there six other fucking layers of Hell that have nothing to do with that?
Lucifer created the Goetia, so maybe he also created the Deadly Sins who in turn created the other types of Hellborn, then over time decided to close off their rings to Sinners? It would be a stupid explanation but it's all I can think of, at least because this universe doesn't seem to follow down the path of how some stories have it to where the personifications of the Deadly Sins are fallen angels as well and in that case were usually Lucifer's lieutenants during his attempted uprising against God.

IIRC, The closest explanation we have to why Sinners are confined to the pride ring is that Viv said a long ass time ago that "Pride is included in every deadly sin" or something of that nature.
 
I actually think the show makes it pretty clear that all he does when left to his own devices is get high. That is one point on which Viv's writing has been good.

Viv just doesn't know what a healthy mentor/protégé OR father/daughter relationship looks like.
I though some of that was to escape the pain of Valentino... but he was a druggie in life, I guess a druggie in Hell for decades before meeting Valentino when he had no problems to escape.

Even if he were happy and safe he would probably still just be a druggie because that's like half his identity. Maybe he uses Valentino as an excuse to take it to an extreme, but he needs a hobby. At least Valentino draws.
 
So thinking about how the show tells us that Lucifer was punished, because he was a ✨ dreamer✨, but we never get told what his dreams were. And considering his characterization. .. I kinda get why the other Seraphim kicked him out. He never seem to think anything trough. I mean yeah the wanted to share free will with humanity, but why? And why did Eve had to eat the apple to gain free will, while both Adam and Lilith already seemed to have free will? Or does the show want to tell me that God wants that women serve? I mean why else create the second woman without free will? Like Charlie, why do you want any women to be in Heaven again?
 
So with all the queers, shipping, and "creator active on Twitter" -going on, is the Hazbin fandom extremely contentious? 'cause weirdly from what I've seen (mind you, only on the 'farms and Reddit) it seems relatively tame?
We're the only fandom where the vast majority of participants seem to not actually understand the premise. Constant contrversies about morality as if the characters aren't literaly demons in hell.
Just wanted to touch on the “ruins his marriage” part. The writers went and made his wife, Stella, a one dimensional bitch and poor representation of an abuser to try and justify him cheating. And the fans fall for it. “But Stella was gonna slap Stolas!” Boo hoo, he slaughtered a bunch of federal agents single handedly and can turn people to stone, and has way more power than her at least at the time. “But she SA’d him!” No, they were required to have at least one heir, so she went on about having to put in all the work and was glad to finally have an egg so that wouldn’t have to happen again. “She called a hitman on him!” That’s probably the worst thing she’s done, but honestly I ran out of sympathy for Stolas ages ago.
Stolas is so unsympathetic that the only way they can get us to feel sorry for him is having him cry and take antidepressants everytime he's onscreen.
 
Had a busy weekend so just checking now, but huh. That's a detail I always forget about. Angel died decades before Val. Just what was he doing with all his time? He somehow avoided becoming a slave all that time. He doesn't seem like the kind who would be completely alone, but yet he seems to have no friends contemporary to his death time. Cherri is the 80s, Val was the 70s... He could have met Husk before or seen Nifty, Pentious or Alastor but he apparently didn't.

So, after decades of experience, yet never acquiring any kind of power or influence of his own, he finally decided to go join the pimp.

Angel Dust was kind of an underachiever in the Helliarchy. He probably didn't even sell out for power.

What would he have done with himself if he wasn't just being a woobie?
Let's say Val died in 79, then that would put a 32 year gap between him and Angel's deaths. It's reasonable Angel got a couple jobs that he managed to leave before meeting Val, and judging by scenes from Poison, was genuinely happy being with him until he got enslaved into the contract. With the revelation that his father died before him, he might've spent his first couple years in Hell trying to reconnect with Henroin only to then go out for sex work.

Nah, the real person whose timeline doesn't make sense regarding his relationships is Sir Pendleton Pentious. He died in 1888. He's been in Hell longer than Alastor. Why was he spooked out by Alastor's backstory when he should've been present to witness his rise to power? How long has he known Baxter since he too died before Alastor? When exactly was their breakup because Baxter told Cherri that afterwards, he continued his turf wars with her who Pentious was claimed to be obsessed with, meaning that they split past the 1980s? When did he meet Cherri Bomb and how did their relationship came to be to form said obsession given they're a century apart?

I don't know, Pentious could've just been a modern guy who simply liked the Victorian era and barely anything about his character would change that much. It seems like him being from 1888 is just there to make the fact that he was in Hell over something minor more tearjerking.
 
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Apparently this single tweet has made a bunch of people upset arguing wether steven would forgive vox or fight him which in turn evolved into powerscalers saying steven would stomp and artists doing ironic (?) "powerlevel agenda" redraw memes of Steven killing Vox and Alastor.

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The funny thing is how no Hazbin fan even tried to glaze Vox here which usually happens with agenda posting in that you'd get defenders but there were none here and at best said Steven would try to forgive Vox

And then it evolved into him beating the shit or trying to make other irredeemable villains repent like Frieza, Muzan, Valentino, and Ozai

Also there is this



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The funny thing is how no Hazbin fan even tried to glaze Vox here
I'm going to do that because I like how the only homosexual male who isn't imaginary fujobait or a sassy gay friend fantasy, is immediately the most hated thing in the entire show. "Hey! That guy's got a 9 to 5 and wears a suit! GET HIM!"
the show tells us that Lucifer was punished, because he was a ✨ dreamer✨, but we never get told what his dreams were. And considering his characterization. .. I kinda get why the other Seraphim kicked him out. He never seem to think anything trough.
No, you're right. You should go to hell for being a flakey artist who won't listen to your editors or put in a single office shift.
All my previous criticism is retracted, Viv's killing it.
 
So with all the queers, shipping, and "creator active on Twitter" -going on, is the Hazbin fandom extremely contentious? 'cause weirdly from what I've seen (mind you, only on the 'farms and Reddit) it seems relatively tame?
Hazbin's fandom tends to the older side. Basically late 20s to mid 40s people who were alive back when media was allowed to be fun and not have a billion asterisks about problematic content. These people usually aren't doomscrolling social media and instead doing things like being gainfully employed, creampieing their (probably heterosexual) spouse, and raising families. The tropes, the designs, and a lot of the humor is basically tuned to appeal to the millennial and younger gen x crowd ("We're largely progressive but we'll still call you a fag" etc)

The show's a-logs are your usual menagerie of troons and zoomers which is why they're a lot funnier to laugh at.
 
Hazbin's fandom tends to the older side.
You might be right. I know I'm now an unironic fan of Viv for creating the games "Fix The Script" or "Fix The Design" that we play in this thread.
I can't see the measured, classroom-style workshop posts here or on reddit coming from people under 30. Gen Z and younger tend to have instant rage black-and-white "discussions", and also don't have them in forum posts.
 
The funny thing is how no Hazbin fan even tried to glaze Vox here which usually happens with agenda posting in that you'd get defenders but there were none here and at best said Steven would try to forgive Vox

And then it evolved into him beating the shit or trying to make other irredeemable villains repent like Frieza, Muzan, Valentino, and Ozai

Also there is this

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Steven could put Vox in the Pink Dimension. This way, nobody except Steven would be able to retrieve him from there.
 
With the release of the S2 soundtrack on iTunes, they added 3 demo tracks along with it. They're all presumably sung by Sam Haft because of it, but the different instrumental direction they thought about going in these are interesting.

Piss: Entirely different genre than final version with it being slow paced through the entire thing
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Brighter: Pretty close to the final version but uses synthwave, easily the best of the three.
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Losin' Streak: Autotune Hell, again Sam Haft is probably the one singing but good god this was hard to listen to.
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I wish I had the musical intelligence to write TV incidental or pop songs on command like people who have this job, but
This guy must be some kind of turbo nepobaby, because when you watch this show as soon as a song starts you have to skip it. Season 2 had 2 good songs (even if Gravity sufffered from an overwrought prechorus-having structure) but they were both less than 2 minutes long. Season one was pretty much [mash right arrow] from the first time Charlie says "fucking lovely day in hell" up until Keith David does all the important work (for the songwriter as well as for Blake) on "Loser, Baby".
I'm neither a fan nor an expert of modern Broadway-type musicals, but it really seems like everyone's learned all the wrong lessons from Steven Soderbergh's most non-strophic experiments.
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I'm not gonna lie, Vox was the only likable person in the entire show, it made me change my PFP for the first time in months.

I'm going to do that because I like how the only homosexual male who isn't imaginary fujobait or a sassy gay friend fantasy, is immediately the most hated thing in the entire show. "Hey! That guy's got a 9 to 5 and wears a suit! GET HIM!"
He looks actually LIKE his age too. Compared to Alastor's whole look, (we still don't know his actual age, I am assuming Vincent is either 40 or 30.) usually me and the friends blast Gravity on loop but we've been finding ourselves replaying Brighter.
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The dance sequence is pretty good. Friendo made this a .gif because we really like the chorography, and let's not forget the fact Boyle is an actual good fit for Vox's voice. Again he carried this season.
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Then there's the obvious parallels between him and Alastor, one earned his keep by actually I guess working hard, while Vox actually took what he wanted, no hesitations. The only difference between the two, is that Vox got a little too greedy and died a la Springtrap. Vox and Alastor both have some form of charisma to get to where they are. In fact, there's nothing too different besides the two, other then race and sexuality. Both were affluential people at one point in their lives with actual charm and then died either by their own stupidity.

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I can go on and on about how good of a character Vox is, but I fret this will be a long one, so to finish this off, I think the scene between past Vox and past Alastor was actually pretty good, Vox is new in Hell, he's trying to use his charm and sly salesman persona he did on Robert to get his position, he obviously knew Alastor had power and wanted in on that, but he underestimated how Alastor is he didn't just destroy Vincent, he shot down him, and this is the moment Vincent became Vox. Like holy shit, this season was peak. I initally came in thinking that it's gonna be like Season One, ignoring all the shit no one cares about, I feel the thing that actually changed my opinion on Vox is how he's written, acted and the voice actor. People underestimate that a voice actor can bring a bit more to the table.

BUT, knowing Viv she probably stole this idea from someone and I do not credit her, she's just background noise. 10/10 solely because of Vox. He's the new Chadam,

Edit: To credit a friend properly, I know it's easy to make a gif, but too lazy to do it myself.
 
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He looks actually LIKE his age too.
I agree, Vincent definitely looks like an...adult man.
The dance sequence is pretty good. Friendo made this a .gif because we really like the chorography,
Actually the part you gif'd was the only bad part of that sequence, to me. Didn't really match the naturalistic style of the rest of the choreography.
The animators give him a lot of catlike motions/physicality in the flashbacks and the weird modern dance segment is really jarring and uncomfortable to watch.
In fact, there's nothing too different besides the two, other then race and sexuality. Both were affluential people at one point in their lives
Maybe someone wrote this Vox thing around Alastor to make him feel less like Viv's rando OC shoehorned into the setting of the show (or, wrote to save a quality villain from some fujo's insistence that he fuck Val in this season. Either way, good save).

>Black guy kills and eats people but can rationalize it because maybe they'd do the same thing to him out of racism if they had the chance
>Gay guy murders his way to the top of the corporate ladder but can rationalize it because they'd destroy him if they knew his secret
>Black guy was born a monster and creates charming showbiz persona to hide it
>Gay guy became a monster to protect himself and actually is his showbiz persona
>Viv now has two guys with personalities instead of making "I'm gay, bro" and "I'm black, bro" their entire characters?

If Viv's boyfriend wasn't in the show, it would make much more sense to play Vox off of someone from Heaven with similar obsessive/ambitious characteristics. But having him go crazy over an imagined betrayal by some guy he idolized who he also thought he could be with, made a decent storyline that also made Alastor as a character actually fit in the fucking show this season.
Too bad the setting and rules of Hell are still a total mess. The shit songs and care bear stare made this season a one step forward, two steps back sort of thing and now autists are sitting around only talking about TV-man because that was the only good part.
one earned his keep by actually I guess working hard, while Vox actually took what he wanted, no hesitations.
Alastor talks to Vox with the annoyance of a guy with 20 years of hit singles/hit TV shows talking to his entourage member who never makes anything but still wants to have the image and lifestyle that you get after years of work. Both the voice actors do a really good job in the scenes of that specific type of man-on-man drama.

I can't get over how this is the one time in history that randomly turning a character gay just so you could draw some gay furry-adjacent sex actually made something work better. World's Brokenest Clock award.
 
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