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Dr. Ricearoni said:
Are we ready to talk about how dumb it is that the official name for souls that go to heaven is "winners"
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King Metalia said:
This is the most retarded decision Viv has ever made. Calling heaven's souls winners takes the cake.
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It's almost like Viv wants to imply that them getting into heaven actually isn't special or that it wasn't really "earned," which opens up a whole can of moral philosophical worms with regards to the universe she's created.

But again odds are she probably didn't think very far beyond basic bitch leftist "people in heaven=people in good neighborhoods=privileged=bad" and "people in hell=people in bad neighborhoods=underprivileged=good" bullshit.
 
make_it_so said:
But again odds are she probably didn't think very far beyond basic bitch leftist "people in heaven=people in good neighborhoods=privileged=bad" and "people in hell=people in bad neighborhoods=underprivileged=good" bullshit.
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Harlan Ellison wrote a pretty good short story called "Hitler Painted Roses" where you went to heaven or hell based on what people believed you did, not what actually happened. In the story, the main character is a riff on Lizzie Borden, completely innocent but framed by her lover. It tackles some of these ideas in a much more interesting way in maybe 15 pages, and you don't have to sit through any bad songs or cringy faggotry.

EDIT: Oh, Harlan also didn't pussy out on showing either Hitler (obviously) or capital-G God.
 
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Dr. Ricearoni said:
Are we ready to talk about how dumb it is that the official name for souls that go to heaven is "winners"
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Could be good if it originated from people in hell calling people that go to heaven "winners" sarcastically and then it was adopted in the same way we adopt memes.
Like, people in hell could see those that go to heaven as people that never had fun in their lives so they associate them as losers in life and referring to them as "winner" with a sarcastic is both a way to try mock them that barely veils the sheer impotent rage from those damned to eternal suffering.

It's not much, but it's a mixture of memetics and something that would be in-character for people that go to hell and seek a way to cope.
"If you go to heaven, it can only means you spent your whole life as loser weren't cool enough to be sent down there. And now what? Only after they died they get to be the winners? HAH! Jokes on them the fun never ends here!" There, it's not the best line I could write to explain the term, but it gives you an example of how it could be done properly.
 
Gondolindrim said:
Unbelievably massive self own
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Also youtube recommended this video
Haven't watched it, but mostly likely it's "Charlie is annoying, but that's the point of her character, she is FLAWED"
 
I feel like calling people in heaven "winners" devalues the actual process of being saved. It makes it sound random like a lottery or something where there needs to be losers and the people in heaven just happened to end up there by chance.

They didn't "win" entry to Heaven, it's not a competition. They earned their place in Heaven by being good people and living good lives, which anyone can do if they choose to.
 
AI generated waifu said:
But it's added because Vivzieslop deals with annoying haters and at the end of the day, HH doesn't exist to tell a good story but to be her self indulgent fanfiction.
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It's worse than that, the whole scene is projection. Viv cannot concieve of people having genuine complaints about Hazbin or Helluva, so she fully believes that they're all just trolls and haters trying to get a rise out of her. Katie Killjoy being so blatantly in her face and making up easily disproven lies is how she sees herself on Bluesky.
 

Even he can't defend this lore drop. In fact, I don't think I've any of the most dedicated fans supporting/defending this reveal.
 
InJailOutSoon said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QVrU9AHb9GE
Even he can't defend this lore drop. In fact, I don't think I've any of the most dedicated fans supporting/defending this reveal.
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I kinda have on Twitter. Don’t remember too well since it’s been a few days, but it was something like “Oooh that explains why nobody figured out angels could be killed, and lines up with Lilith’s disappearance, and Alastair’s disappearance, and why my dad never came back with the milk, and…”
 
Grand Duke Snowfall said:
I kinda have on Twitter. Don’t remember too well since it’s been a few days, but it was something like “Oooh that explains why nobody figured out angels could be killed, and lines up with Lilith’s disappearance, and Alastair’s disappearance, and why my dad never came back with the milk, and…”
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Yeah, I mentioned before it does answer some things that didn't make sense...but then just opens up a whole bunch of more questions. Like, how was Carmilla able to mass produce different types of angelic weapons so quickly?

There's also the fact that all the characters act like this has been going way longer than 7 years. Charlie makes it sound like she's been working to find a way to stop the exterminations for the majority of her life. But, it's only been 7 years. Kind of undermines that one line of the song where she says that if redesign isn't possible, than her whole life has been a joke. And then you have Sera, being so upset about all the souls that have been killed during the exterminations that could have been redeemed. That could have been a valid point if the exterminations have been going on for hundreds of years; meaning there was less of a chance for Sinners that could have been redeemed during that time. But again...7 years. If Sinners weren't redeemed during that time, I doubt any of them would during those 7 years of exterminations (which I should remind that is only 7 days since the exorcists only come down once a year). Sir Pentious was the exception, not the norm.

So while the 7 year extermination reveal fixed some previous issues, it also brought in other issues as well. And it didn't fix the issue of exorcists not knowing that their own angelic weapons could harm them and them just leaving their weapons in Hell.
 
Strangolapreti said:
It's not much, but it's a mixture of memetics and something that would be in-character for people that go to hell and seek a way to cope.
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There's really no excuse as to why the denizens of hell haven't come up with their own culture particularly exclusive to anything on earth, instead of Californians being Californians.

InJailOutSoon said:
So while the 7 year extermination reveal fixed some previous issues, it also brought in other issues as well. And it didn't fix the issue of exorcists not knowing that their own angelic weapons could harm them and them just leaving their weapons in Hell.
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The whole thing feels like a band-aid fix over the incongruencies that many raised around the exterminations, except the Viv herself has said that any criticism made of the show will not be reflected until season 5. So what is it? Did they addressed those complains or was this always part of the plan? If the latter, why wait until season 2 to tell us that the exterminations haven't been going for that long? Why nobody ever points out how much of a new developed they are?
 
Hey, here's a funny can of worm to open.
Demons being able to reproduce is fucking demented.
I could pull out Sir J. R. R. Tolkien's words of "Evil can't create, can only corrupt", but let's face it, if Amazon couldn't follow it for their own LotR series, why should Viv?
Here's a better reasoning:
These literal hellspawn are born and raised in an enviroment where being a criminal, and a sinner and a piece of scum is not a choice, its the norm.
They can't know better, they can't understand better, its their culture, and if an angel comes to hell and kills them fir existing, they should go to heaven because they are technically innocents victims.
Its like niggers born in the slum and taught to be criminals from birth.
Except there is not an escape from the ghetto where they have a chance to be taught better, its a rare moment where "its their culture" actually applies.
 
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