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Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?

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Sonya-chan said:
This show is tone deaf.
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Cope and seethe you blonde haired land whale. Sex workers take the easy sinful way out when the nearest whataburger down the street from their coom corner is hiring and paying just as well. Fuck their trauma, they need to be improving normally, not turning themselves into what amounts to be the rainbow dash jar incident.
 
A Very Big Fish said:
The thing I find weird about Peter in the show is that he seems just like some preppy dork. St. Peter was a blue collar fisherman, and at one point almost got himself killed when according to the Gospel of John, while a bunch of soldiers are trying to arrest Jesus, "Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant, cutting off his right ear." Yet the characterization Viv got out of this is apparently Kenneth from 30 Rock, without the bizarre half-hinted at backstory.
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It's weird, of all the biblical characters used in the show, Peter's depiction is the only one that really rubs me the wrong way.
 
LemonCake said:
It's weird, of all the biblical characters used in the show, Peter's depiction is the only one that really rubs me the wrong way.
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I had an idea for the design of 3 demons that would have been based and make sense as it's a reference to the Divine comedy: Brutus, Cassius and Judas:
All three themed around cold, since that's the punishment for treachery in the story, Brutus and cassius could have had strong italian/spanish accent and either stuck on a wheelchair or given a more serpentine form, as a reference to Lucifer devouring their lower half. while Judas being the lower half of an ice-themed demon and the top half look completely different, as if Judas himself was effectively devoured and someone (or something) else took the legs and made them his own in a later moment.
Probelm being: viziepop doesn't like the work of better writers unless it has a character she can turn into a faggowl for her to make gay fanfictions about.
 
Sonya-chan said:
This show is tone deaf.
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Beggamania said:
Whilst I have to admit it was funny gag, the show clearlt doesn't know what it wants sometimes, torn between seriousness and moments like these.
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Viv's shows suffer heavily from whiplash and it also feels like everything is written down at the exact moment it's thought of, with no planning for what has been introduced before or what will be in the future. And the first draft is always the final draft with no editing done to it. I'm not say this is the case; it just heavily feels this way. You have Angel Dust talking about going to therapy to open up about his vulnerabilities and his trauma with being abused, only for a few minutes later to have said abuse be used in a slapstick kind of gag. It's just so unbelievably tone deaf.
A Very Big Fish said:
The thing I find weird about Peter in the show is that he seems just like some preppy dork. St. Peter was a blue collar fisherman, and at one point almost got himself killed when according to the Gospel of John, while a bunch of soldiers are trying to arrest Jesus, "Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant, cutting off his right ear." Yet the characterization Viv got out of this is apparently Kenneth from 30 Rock, without the bizarre half-hinted at backstory.
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LemonCake said:
It's weird, of all the biblical characters used in the show, Peter's depiction is the only one that really rubs me the wrong way.
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These characters are barely anything like their Biblical counterparts besides name alone. Their own backstories probably aren't the same. Take Abel for example. He is mostly well known for being the first human to be murdered. But in this universe, there's no implication of this being the case. Adam here was the first human soul to come to Heaven. I don't know if this Abel has a brother. I don't even know if Eve is his mother in this universe.

I know that this is a different adaption for these established characters that don't even really matter to the grand sceme of this particular story. But I can't help but think on these sort of things when I do see these characters. And it seems I'm not the only one that does this either.
 
man_made_of_meat said:
Because it s the laziest one. How do you reduce literally the holder of heavens gates keys to an npc?
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He's not special enough for Vivzie to bank out of, so he's treated as a laughingstock despite his significant contribution in the bible as a follower of Christ. I can barely understand it myself. This just sucks, dude. St. Peter deserves better than be some character people can laugh at for a few seconds before forgetting about him. Just suggest the real St. Peter to Hazbin Hotel fans.
 
didelphigina said:
He's not special enough for Vivzie to bank out of, so he's treated as a laughingstock despite his significant contribution in the bible as a follower of Christ. I can barely understand it myself. This just sucks, dude. St. Peter deserves better than be some character people can laugh at for a few seconds before forgetting about him. Just suggest the real St. Peter to Hazbin Hotel fans.
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There are so many talented people out there that would love to be paid to do shit like this, couldn't a24 pay some decent character designers? It s ok to hit a dry spell and have no real good new ideas, happens to all of us, but this is just embarrassing..
 
One year and a half later we are here to suffer through 8 more episodes of this, so let's get down to it.
Episode 1:
Color me surprised, I kind of enjoyed it and think that it was a way more stronger season opener that the one of season 1, I liked that they addressed some of the minors things that happened in S1 (Velvette messing with the overlords, etc.), the music was catchy and the swearing didn't felt as annoying (I actually chuckled at the duck joke). I dare to say that pacing wise it was pretty decent, although you already can tell that new characters like Baxter won't have time to properly interact with the main crew as a consequence of the already bloated cast having their own (admittedly very shallow) arcs taking screen time.
Credit where is due, the animation felt more polished this time and somehow the red pallette now isn't as jarring to the eyes as before, but maybe that just me getting accustomed to it and this being the first episode of the season, having a bigger budget played a part on that.

Episode 2:
Aka the one everyone already saw almost a year back, this is the one I fear will be the standard of the season. Not a bad episode per se, but here you can see how any improvement that S2 does, is drag down by all the misgivings of S1. Pentious' redemption was rushed, so here we have to explain that in actuality he wasn't even that bad; Pentious misses his friends, except that we never saw them interact in any meaningful manner; Lute's very real and valid concerns about Heaven's safety get ignored because redemption works except of course that nobody still knows how, etc. The series wants to play catch up with itself but its not doing a very good job at it.
Songs were ok, Gravity obviously steals the show, but the way we have to jump from point to point where characters talk for a bit, sing their song and then we move to the next plot scene is a little bit jarring and I would hate if this is how they cram 3 songs per episode. Animation felt a little more janky too, but nothing outrageous.

I guess I can say that there's a slight improvement in some departments, let's see if they keep on improving or if the next batch shits the bed.
 
On my knees begging for Michael to be cool and badass and not a gay sadboi that misses Lucifer or some shit.

Lute just gets tired of the bureaucratic kumbaya crap with Hell going completely unpunished and decides to go straight to the top and tell the commander of the heavenly militia himself that shit is getting out of hand and needs to be fixed asap.
 
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Saxxon said:
Episode 2:
Aka the one everyone already saw almost a year back, this is the one I fear will be the standard of the season. Not a bad episode per se, but here you can see how any improvement that S2 does, is drag down by all the misgivings of S1. Pentious' redemption was rushed, so here we have to explain that in actuality he wasn't even that bad
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I'm more neutral to what Pentious sin is than I was before, I still don't like it but I get what they were going for with it, since if you focus on the apathy angle you could say it falls into Sloth, even if with how the Ripper murders turned out some socially inept hermit claiming to be an eyewitness wouldn't be taken seriously, the universe would judge you for what's right regardless if it would have mattered or not (The same can be said with his attempted sacrifice that redeemed him in the first place).

I feel it would have been much better if the focus was on that apathy part with him justifying at the time that his testimony somehow wouldn't mean much or law enforcement will catch the killer anyways and he didn't want to be hounded in an interrogation room and dragged off to testify in court. If S1 set him more up as someone who just wants to be left alone in his workshop all day and couldn't give a damn about anything outside of it, his redemption and past sin would have worked a lot better.
 
ThisIsGonnaBeGood said:
I like how soft Lute's voice is when she asks, "Did you?"
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"I broke my lover's weapon..."
Come on, Lute. Let's hope they give CHADam a chainsaw or a sword at least.
The Nothingness said:
Outside of Peter and Michael the Archangel, you have other Old and New Testament figures who could act as Heaven's defense force. Moses, Joshua (as mentioned by you), "Total Philistine Death" Samson, Kings David and Solomon, Simon the Zealot, who may have been part of a Jewish revolutionary group as depicted in The Chosen, and Paul the Apostle.
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Indeed. I apologise for seeming "nitpicky" about Peter.
A Very Big Fish said:
I would assume its based on the tradition of St. Peter basically being Heaven's doorkeeper, which is a folk belief that comes from when Peter affirms that Jesus is the Messiah and Son of God, and Jesus says:

"And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

The thing I find weird about Peter in the show is that he seems just like some preppy dork. St. Peter was a blue collar fisherman, and at one point almost got himself killed when according to the Gospel of John, while a bunch of soldiers are trying to arrest Jesus, "Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant, cutting off his right ear." Yet the characterization Viv got out of this is apparently Kenneth from 30 Rock, without the bizarre half-hinted at backstory.
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Right, it's very peculiar. I guess she wants to take him somewhere then just simply forgot.
InJailOutSoon said:
These characters are barely anything like their Biblical counterparts besides name alone. Their own backstories probably aren't the same. Take Abel for example. He is mostly well known for being the first human to be murdered. But in this universe, there's no implication of this being the case. Adam here was the first human soul to come to Heaven. I don't know if this Abel has a brother. I don't even know if Eve is his mother in this universe.

I know that this is a different adaption for these established characters that don't even really matter to the grand sceme of this particular story. But I can't help but think on these sort of things when I do see these characters. And it seems I'm not the only one that does this either.
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This is what rubs me the wrong way. Not as someone who reads the Bible, but how it just seems like "let me pick this character from history and make a whatever history. I'm going to write about Leonardo DaVinci and say he was a surfer dude from the 1800s or something."
 
GreaterHacaryguaspear said:
One question: Really Staff tried to stay away from Viziepop? This Season really have great improvement than S1, even Looks like isn't a work of Viziepop.
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