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Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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Most i could find was vivzie saying they're not written by her and "not 100% canon but doesn't mean it's not accurate" (lol bs).

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I'd say they all non canon as fuck, since apparently all the hazbin ones aged terribly and even i know that they played valentino abusing Vox as "funny tsundere", to the point vivzie deleted them later cause it was p r o b l e m a t i c.

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Honestly, I'm kind of glad they didn't go down the route of "Val is abusive to Vox" because, not only do I know they would screw that up just like any other serious theme in these shows, but I just could never picture Vox being abused by Val. He seems like he's the one who has the power and control in this "relationship" and would nip it in the bud before even something like this could even happen.
 
The sad thing is, there actually is official artwork of Stolas spending time with Octavia. It's just that none of it made it into the show and is probably non-canon, knowing Viv. Just in case anyone hasn't seen it, here's some stuff that was posted to IG
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@daddy_hoothoot"Spa day with Via! My daughter is so talented! She made me look rather amazing. #fabulouslife"2020-07-01
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@daddy_hoothoot"Having a day out with Via! She said I looked stupid in this shirt but I never get to wear it. 🏝"2020-07-12
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@daddy_hoothoot"Having a movie marathon of “Daylight”. Not the best films I’ve seen but I enjoy spending an evening with Via. She told me I was “embarassing her” when I took this picture. #lovemydaughter #teamedwin"2020-07-30

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@gothchk2003"You’re on the wrong team #teamjacques"

@daddy_hoothoot"@gothchk2003 Via, sweetie, we both know Edwin is by far the better romantic."

@gothchk2003"@daddy_hoothoot Jacques is sooo much better, you just haven’t seen the other movies"

@daddy_hoothoot"@gothchk2003 You are right next to me and we’re watching them right now!"
It would have been nice to see some of this in the actual show.

Bonus because I thought the replies were funny:
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@moonlight_howling_666"Made this account cuz I'm bored at work, whatevr.

  1. Ihatemyjob #boredasfuck"
2020-07-03

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daddy_hoothoot:Welcome to this... thing, Miss Loona.

daddy_hoothoot:@moonlight_howling_666 Feel free to tell that sexy lad in the background I said hi 😘

moonlight_howling_666:@daddy_hoothoot Do it yourself, boomer

daddy_hoothoot:@moonlight_howling_666 ... Boomer?
Canon: Viziepop hates good parents and people without Daddy/Mommy Issues.
 
Honestly, I'm kind of glad they didn't go down the route of "Val is abusive to Vox" because, not only do I know they would screw that up just like any other serious theme in these shows, but I just could never picture Vox being abused by Val. He seems like he's the one who has the power and control in this "relationship" and would nip it in the bud before even something like this could even happen.

I agree at least looking at the final product. If Vox really was always meant to be Alastors "Rival" then he has to be powerful and threatning like him, not a tragic abuse victim. It also makes overlap too much with Angel. I don't know why vivzie (or the promo guys?) thought this was a good idea (other than rape fetish).

Velvette on the instaposts was pretty different too, i think she was nicer? Vivzie probably wanted the Vees to friends with each other and have a lovable funny villain trio (and avoids the part one of them is a rapist).
 
Velvette on the instaposts was pretty different too, i think she was nicer? Vivzie probably wanted the Vees to friends with each other and have a lovable funny villain trio (and avoids the part one of them is a rapist).
I would say less nice, and more energetic, quirky, unhinged, pyscho. Think of Harley Quinn or Demencia. Especially Harley Quinn given the clown vibes. Velvet_insta_pic_1.webp Vox_insta_pic_1.webp Valentino_insta_pic_12.webp Velvet_insta_pic_5.webp Velvet-insta-pic-7.webp Velvet_insta_pic_4.webp The_Vees_in_the_pilot_Ani.gif
This was probably changed so she could fit the "boss bitch fashion archetype" better and also so her personality wouldn't be similar to Niffty's.
 
Late but I'm curious why everyone keeps talking about Viv having mommy/daddy issues. I've been following her antics since 2019 and I haven't witnessed anything from Viv that indicates she has such issues.
 
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This was probably changed so she could fit the "boss bitch fashion archetype" better and also so her personality wouldn't be similar to Niffty's.
Velvette looks surprisingly unattractive for a fashion mogul. Not just because she's dark skinned.
 
Velvette looks surprisingly unattractive for a fashion mogul. Not just because she's dark skinned.
I don't think she was supposed to be part of the fashion industry originally. That was just added because...I honestly think Viv didn't know what to do with her initially. Velvette came in way later while the pilot was being made as we can see with her face being pasted over some random person in the overlord line-up in the final version.
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There was really no plan for her then, and there's still really no plan for her now.
 
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This was probably changed so she could fit the "boss bitch fashion archetype" better and also so her personality wouldn't be similar to Niffty's.
She really went from psycho clown waifu to sassy ghetto girl boss.

Knowing vivzie, i'd say she changed because her final voice actor ended a being black woman with british (?) accent.
 
Because Blitz crashed Stella's tea party and yelled, "SORRY I FUCKED YOUR HUSBAND" in front of everyone. Stolas did himself no favors with the way he behaved from then on, but the cat was out of the bad pretty much immediately.
Blitz wasn't even the one who really had the obligation there, and he's been Designated Asshole since the beginning. Anytime Blitz does something that isn't pure assholery is a step up from where he's supposed to be.

Meanwhile he actually looks better than Stolas at this point.

Look at the early portrayals of all these characters. It's like every single one has been Flanderized, but not even for their good traits but for their worst traits. The only one who is only as much of an asshole as he started out as is Blitz, and he looks like an abused partner.

Stolas started out as a flawed father but one who was trying. Then he never actually tried. He's just a complete piece of shit. But he seems to think he deserves to be cut slack. Why? No real reason. Why does he get to humiliate Stella? No real reason. Why does he get to act like even an asshole like Blitz is somehow a victim to him? No real reason.

You're just supposed to accept how this faggot-ass gay owl abuses everyone around him, cares about nobody but himself, abuses his wife, neglects his daughter, and does all the dumb, narcissistic shit he does. No real reason. Just do it, just consooom.
 
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This was probably changed so she could fit the "boss bitch fashion archetype" better and also so her personality wouldn't be similar to Niffty's.
Ya know, call me crazy but Id prob like this version more. Her being a fashion bitch she really is one note with that, with this you could kinda play the idea of her coming up with much crazier schemes against the hotel or like being more casual. Like Vox is busy coming up with a scheme and Velvett treats it like a surprise party and already busy getting party props.
 
Ya know, call me crazy but Id prob like this version more. Her being a fashion bitch she really is one note with that, with this you could kinda play the idea of her coming up with much crazier schemes against the hotel or like being more casual. Like Vox is busy coming up with a scheme and Velvett treats it like a surprise party and already busy getting party props.
Kind of reminds me of this one fancomic I saw with the Vees.
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And I could imagine Velvette being a foil to Vaggie; kind of like how the other Vees have someone they have personal beef with at the hotel. Both were young adults who died in the 2010s. Hell, you could have it that they both knew each other when they were alive and that Velvette was a major contributing factor to Vaggie committing suicide. Even have it that she plays up this kooky and dumb persona so that most people won't take her seriously and infantilize her, but is really just as cruel and vicious as the other Vees.

But no. Let's just make her rather boring instead and give all those quirks to Niffty without any depth who is, in case you forgotten, a Japanese-American woman who died in the 50s. Makes complete sense to me.
 
I have a theory that Viv has a ghost writer on staff for all the Sallie May scenes. She can barely write gays without giving into stereotypes, I sincerely doubt she's the one making the tranny such a "beloved" member of the cast.
 
I have a theory that Viv has a ghost writer on staff for all the Sallie May scenes. She can barely write gays without giving into stereotypes, I sincerely doubt she's the one making the tranny such a "beloved" member of the cast.
That's not even a theory, legit it's the VA for that character who also wrote the short for the same character
 
Kind of reminds me of this one fancomic I saw with the Vees.
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And I could imagine Velvette being a foil to Vaggie; kind of like how the other Vees have someone they have personal beef with at the hotel. Both were young adults who died in the 2010s. Hell, you could have it that they both knew each other when they were alive and that Velvette was a major contributing factor to Vaggie committing suicide. Even have it that she plays up this kooky and dumb persona so that most people won't take her seriously and infantilize her, but is really just as cruel and vicious as the other Vees.

But no. Let's just make her rather boring instead and give all those quirks to Niffty without any depth who is, in case you forgotten, a Japanese-American woman who died in the 50s. Makes complete sense to me.
Honestly, I kinda see Velvette as Vaggies polar opposite. Yes, she's evil and twisted under all her cheer. But! She has an easier time making friends, socialising and throwing huge and fun parties, even for people she will probably kill. Vaggie on the other hand, always gave an impression of an introvert with trust issues, and Charlie being the only person she can find comfort with. Which, would kinda of play into the idea of the Vee's being opposites to the main cast: Vox moved forward with time, while Al is stuck in the past. Vaggie isn't a social person, while Velvette is more cheery and friendly. Val enjoys power and using sex as means to hold control over someone, while Angel maybe wants pure affection and kindness from someone.

Ye, with Niffty, I'd prob make her like say an 80's otaku girl? Like, really play up the Japanese part, maybe she makes references to very obscure anime or kung-fu movies, maybe she sometimes speaks in Japanese, with only Al and Vox seeing actual subtitles appear under her.
 
Yeah, that's why i don't get how Vivzie or anyone defends stolas at all. Literally the only time Stolas shows any true affection to octavia is in a flashback song where he says she'll be okay without him. Remove that song and Stolas is now an objectively bad father. Except that was not only bullshit, as he already doesn't care, he let her down again and choose blitzo after saying he wouldn't leave her for him.

That's not honesty or conforting. His only moment of affection is telling a baby she'll be fine without him. Vivgga pls, she was already fine without him because he wasn't there for her anyway. It's insane that octavia is now crying in her room thinking "Man i really wish Dad was here so he could let me down again..."

Like, Stolas being a good father is an informed atribute. He probably was when she was a baby but now he isn't and there is no valid excuse beyond "muh divorce, muh depression". He cannot talk Via out of hating him because there is no excuse beyond "Pls baby you need to comprehend that i love that man's cock more than my life."

But guess what, i actually defend Stolas a bit. I'd argue season 1 stolas learned better by the end of loo loo land. He was a horny negligent father but it was made clear he still loved her and wouldn't leave his daughter, but it's time to move on. Then vivzie made this the stolas show and he MUST SUFFER GAY ANGST meaning season 2 we recycle looloo land but it's about true love Stolitz except much worse cause via is the one who apologizes and now blitzo is the most important person in stolas life by an undeniable margin.

Stolas is not allowed to have a good scene with via for the same reason stella is not allowed. This show is not about women being happy, it's about gay men being SAD.
But... but... but he took her to an amusement park in one episode!
 
But no. Let's just make her rather boring instead and give all those quirks to Niffty without any depth who is, in case you forgotten, a Japanese-American woman who died in the 50s. Makes complete sense to me.
It would have been more fun to have the both of them as boy-crazy bitches, serving as another way Vox and Alastor mirror each by having a psycho sidekick.
Your idea sounds good too, really any idea sounds good because as it stands now, Velvette has zero personality traits that makes her unique or even attempts to relate her to what's going on in the hotel.
 
Honestly, I kinda see Velvette as Vaggies polar opposite. Yes, she's evil and twisted under all her cheer. But! She has an easier time making friends, socialising and throwing huge and fun parties, even for people she will probably kill. Vaggie on the other hand, always gave an impression of an introvert with trust issues, and Charlie being the only person she can find comfort with. Which, would kinda of play into the idea of the Vee's being opposites to the main cast: Vox moved forward with time, while Al is stuck in the past. Vaggie isn't a social person, while Velvette is more cheery and friendly. Val enjoys power and using sex as means to hold control over someone, while Angel maybe wants pure5 affection and kindness from someone.
They could have been another "two sides on the same coin kind of deal". They have similar doll-aesthetics, with Velvette following a dark, bright Gothic lolita style, and Vaggie following a pastel, full emo Kawaii style. Velevette acts friendly and cheery on the outside, but on the inside she's a manipulative bitch. And Vaggie while she has a cold and hard exterior is really a genuine nice person once you breakthrough. There was so much to do with these two characters but because I guess they're woman, Viv just decided not to.
Ye, with Niffty, I'd prob make her like say an 80's otaku girl? Like, really play up the Japanese part, maybe she makes references to very obscure anime or kung-fu movies, maybe she sometimes speaks in Japanese, with only Al and Vox seeing actual subtitles appear under her.
That is actually a good idea. Even though Niffty is probably the only few characters I like that we got from the show, I'll be the first one to admit she got flanderized as Hell from her introduction. I know we didn't get a lot from her, but for me at least, she seemed to at least try to hide her unhinged side and present herself as polite to the others. Even if she was keeping herself together merely by a thread (pun intended).
 
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