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This image really made me realize just how much excessive red the Hazbin cast has.
Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread
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I feel like out of the two Vivzie shows that Panty and Stocking could be compared to, Helluva Boss would be the one to do it with only because while Hazbin has crude humor, it's much less comedic.
Meanwhile Helluva Boss and Panty & Stocking follow very similar premises of a group of beings related to the Christian afterlife being tasked to kill for profit.
The difference is that Panty & Stocking's humor is more based on how it's a parody of American culture from a Japanese perspective with some jokes derived from American pop culture and experiences like the weed shop joke.
Meanwhile Helluva Boss' crude humor is just because that's Vivzie's style of comedy which by itself isn't a problem since Vivzie can actually be good at telling jokes. The core issue with Helluva is how much it takes itself very seriously and wants to have continuity and character development yet it conflicts with other shit.
Apology Tour is a great example of this where Blitzo apologizes a lot to the people he's wrong yet it doesn't stick, and Stolas dates another dude but it doesn't stick.
Theres also Sinsmas which makes a big deal about Blitzo sparing a gay father with his new husband cause he sees himself in him which by itself I guess could be the start of a character arc but then he kills a dude who has adopted orphaned children without thinking despite seeing the crying orphans.
Now this adds another issue is how Helluva Boss unintentionally creates a lot of moral dilemmas from the clients IMP chooses especially with the more serious tone. If it stuck to being heavily comedic in the hitman stuff that could be one thing while the drama goes down in hell but there is drama incorporated with the hitman stuff. Not to mention, a lot of the people IMP kills are for petty reasons, like if they were bad people the drama stuff could work in making these characters sympathetic.
Compare this to Panty and Stocking, who kill ghosts and demons while mostly being utter bitches. Yet despite the girls being assholes, the heartfelt moments can work since it adds another layer and it's still consistent as some of the ghosts are not bad people but it isn't the norm. Like these people were already dead or manifested grudges that are causing problems while the humans that IMP kills mostly mind their own business.
Theres also the fact that again while Panty and Stocking can have its heartfelt moments, it still mostly sticks to being a comedy whereas Helluva Boss keeps becoming a soap opera progressively.
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No matter what Viv tries I don't really feel bad for blitz.
Gondolindrim
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That's how you know Blitz is a wish fufilment character: He has scores of bedmates and partners who loved him so much that they dedicated the remainder of their unending lives to worshipping him. Him, an annoying, shrieking clown who can't go 2 seconds without a sex joke or crying about his self inflicted problems.
I hate Blitzo anyway so that episode in particular just kinda crystalized it and made my reasons much more solid.
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There's also the whole absurdity of the plots as well. One episode is about Panty and Stocking fighting zombies and get turned into them only to accept their fate and not treat it as such a world-ending issue, while the next episode has them duking it out as transformers. Don't know if season 2 is similar in that sense (need to check that out some time), but while the anime has a general premise each episode is pretty much vastly different from each other and you'll never know what you're going to get.
Meanwhile, Helluva Boss now plays everything pretty straight and strangely close to realism at times. The initial premise advertises itself as being wacky and absurd; demons from Hell come up to Earth to perform hits. But instead of coming up with different plots that can use this premise, the show rather make that a side-note and rather focus on relationship issues and poorly written political drama. So the excessive crude humor really clashes with a story that is trying to take itself seriously.
Also fun fact: the English VA for Stocking in season 2 is the same VA for Verosika. Unintentional crossover.
I only feel bad for him when the show unnecessarily shits on him. And that's usually in context with Stolas. In the episode Apolgy Tour, I couldn't help but agree with Blitzø when he said everyone is an asshole in Hell because...he's not wrong. Almost all the characters we see are just shitty people. Sorry Verosika that your little speech about how Blitzø should be a better person comes on deaf ears because all I can think about is how you and your crew sexually assaulted one of his employees.
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Basically Panty and Stocking embraces the fact that it's a sex comedy first and foremost while Viv is incapable of letting her precious OCs be jokes and has to hastily construct drama and weird moral dillemas that cancel each other out and just leaves everyone unsatisfied.
I haven't seen any attempts by Hellaverse fans to take down P&S but I have to imagine they're out there. Deeply threatened by a show that actually does their premise better.
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Everyone with any shred of logic and critical thinking misses Pilot Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss.
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Because he's Brandon Roger's self-insert and he also thinks the world revolves around him.
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I agree, this image sucks. Because both are shit.
Right, at least one isn't meant to be taken seriously, and one just does that.
Regardless, you know what's weird to me? How P&S was forgettable. There was S1 and then S2 came 16 years later and... yay I guess?
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The Pilot also wasn’t as bad in this regard.
They used that same Red in season 1 to make Alastor look worse, change Charlie’s eyes and top, take away Vaggie’s iconic pastel color palate to give her a lame button down in the color and just assault your eyes with it. Red isn’t the problem, it’s that Red that is the problem.
Not so fun fact: Panty and Stocking’s original English VA’s are Jamie Marchi and Monica Rial respectively AKA the cunts who lied about Vic Mignogna sexually assaulting them and helped lead to him being essentially removed from the anime industry and kicked off the first #WeebWars
Fun Fact: The “KickVic” side of Weeb War 1 recently all melted down over the fact that Rial and Marchi were replaced.
I hope Vic got a…Kick out of it.
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Well, that was a guest apperance as you said. Here, hes clearly gonna have a main role which means he's gonna be charging Viv for each spoken line possibly
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It would be totally based if Viv had Octavia kill Blitz and nobody can convince me otherwise.
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Season 2 is pretty similar, there's a bit of loose continuity but it doesn't adhere to it or go melodramatic like Helluva Boss.
Of course this is as of the third episode of season 2 airing recently
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That's because they fired those fatsos Monica Rial and Jamie Marchi.
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The fact they are fat will never cease to amuse me.
It would be interesting if Rogers were "fine" with having his OC to be killed. Since he's the punching bag and suddenly...? But alas, untouchables!
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To be fair, I like that because Adam IS an angel.
Pilot Charlie being superior once again.
It's still red but not reddish enough to be blend in with the other characters, also shows that despite living in hell, she's not as evil as the rest of the cast.
I'm not an graphic designer, and yet I somehow know this shit.
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I'd be hard pressed to say she's evil at all. The pink looks better on her with her blonde hair. Her character reminds me of Leslie Knope from Parks and Rec, whose unrelenting positivity was played for laughs. In terms of Hellaverse protagonists, she's more annoying than Blitzø, which is a feat in and of itself.
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Sure, though one would've still expected something much more I dunno... powerful and/or menacing-looking? At least in the presentation? Instead it just looks hilariously weak as shit; like they're just average adult animation people rather than these scarily powerful, supernatural beings.
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Panty and Stocking is a raunchy comedy that doesn't try to take itself seriously.
Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are both shows that expect to be taken seriously in spite of the raunchy jokes.
I’ve been wanting to say this for a while, it is unbelievable how they fumbled Charlie’s design for the series when they already had this one that was good, if not great. The character is cute, the colors are pleasing. If I was forced to see more of this, I would want to look at it (General rule for characters I have: If you have to look at it for 2+ hours, make sure its nice to look at.) but for some reason they updated it a bright red that honestly is hard to look at, not just because of blending in with other characters, but because it starts to hurt the eyes after a couple of minutes. I don’t know who suggested the change, but just put them side by side and it should have been obvious which was better.