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According to some comments, Vivzie bitched about this right after coming back from a Lady Gaga concert.
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She sure spends a lot of time vacationing and bitching on Bluesky. I wonder how much of that time could have been spent trying to improve her writing…
A lady gaga concert in 2025? No wonder she calls her show hazbin hotel. Between this and working with Keshia she surrounds herself with actual has beens.
 
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This fellow here, if he wants to seem as if this is the "end of the world". Well, let's just say he just made something seem epic. Congrats Tarkores!
A lady gaga concert in 2025? No wonder she calls her show hazbin hotel. Between this and working with Keshia she surrounds herself with actual has beens.
Next you'll have me believe she loves scene teens and the Dahvie Vanity guy.
 

And the reason so many LGBT people aren't religious is because they want to rebel against it and would clap like seals against any criticism of it, hence why so many of the LGBT crowds into Hazbin and the sister show. Not to mention the lot of them are very much into demon-related things and would gladly talk about going to Hell over Heaven any day. So in the end, they're intentionally proving the Christians right by playing along that one slogan the many of them like to say, "Gays go to hell."

They think it's a gotcha but all it's doing is making lots of people get annoyed at medias bashing on Christianity because it's not only the easiest religion to mock, but the religion you can freely mock without any repercussion. Ironically, it ended up turning the once athiest or questioning religious because of all of things that, once again, the Christians rambled about ended up being true on a lot of levels (the whole 2020s should be the underlying example of this).

So in the end, all Vivzie has done was prove the Christians right while wearing a smug face pretending she's in the early 2000s being subversive. It does not help the things we see IN the show is not a critique of how religion is seen by the LGBT whatsoever. Vivziepop deliberately did all of this. She wanted to be a Hot Topic. She wanted the show to be adult while being as safe edgy as possible. There is no "2deep4me" message. Vivziepop just wanted horny gay demons doing horny gay demons with some half baked angst in between and she got millions off it. That's it.

Now, there's nothing wrong with critiquing Christianity or religion generally. The issue stems from the fact you barely see Christianity be critiqued reasonably and respectfully because of the aforementioned notion that you can freely mock it without any reprocussion. But don't DARE do it for any other religion, especially Islam.

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Lol, Nazis were fucking religious? Are you fucking shitting me? Hitler hated the Vatican and wanted to wreck the Church after defeating the USSR, and because a good number of Wehrmacht soldiers were Christians. For fuck's sake, to the SS their loyalty to their Fuhrer was above all else. What in the name of fuck are you even talking about?
 
Hitler's relationship with the subject of religion was... complex. To put it shortly (and incompletely), while he did believe in God (in opposition to the popular opinion of him being an atheist/catholic, whatever fuels the arguer's narrative), he was NOT a fan of the teachings of Christianity, Protestantism, or even his own initial Catholicism either. He def loved what Islam was up to though. Also a huge Nietzsche fanboy.

Should I also mention Himmler's obsession with the occult?

I'm open to corrections/additions by people more well-versed on the subject than I am.
 
Hitler's relationship with the subject of religion was... complex. To put it shortly (and incompletely), while he did believe in God (in opposition to the popular opinion of him being an atheist/catholic, whatever fuels the arguer's narrative), he was NOT a fan of the teachings of Christianity, Protestantism, or even his own initial Catholicism either. He def loved what Islam was up to though. Also a huge Nietzsche fanboy.

Should I also mention Himmler's obsession with the occult?

I'm open to corrections/additions by people more well-versed on the subject than I am.
Don't forget Rosenberg's Church of Positive Christianity! Anyhow, Nazis were generally suspicious of church hierarchies not under their control, or any non-state institution for that matter.
 
Don't forget Rosenberg's Church of Positive Christianity! Anyhow, Nazis were generally suspicious of church hierarchies not under their control, or any non-state institution for that matter.
To be honest, not like they had proper control of their own shit. The Lueftwaffe and Kriegsmarine would butt heads over who should be getting funding for their Wunderwaffle projects (going to pretty much stealing building resources from each other), Goering having his own personal PMC (yes really) that hed happily whore out for extra money or items of luxury, the numerous "only exist on paper" SS divisions that were being funded and supplied, with said supplies horded by the commanders or sold off to other divisions.
 
Your tweet is a commentary on objectively bad takes that is considered in the online theory known as "Dead Internet Theory" thus providing no actual conversation to the topic at hand is considered media illiteracy in its purest form o algo.

I know you're only mad about the criticism because the people who redesign and criticise the show actually goves you points you dont listen to, but go to Viv for it instead so you can hear it. I have seen tons of retards in this fandom get mad about it for any other fandoms.

Your retardation is showing.
 
I’ve also seen the argument that you can’t even blame the guy that hard for freaking out when he sees Loona’s hellhound form. Because to us she’s just some cute furbait, but in the context of this universe he just saw a girl turn into a werewolf from Hell. That would be horrifying to…most people.
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That's supposed to be horrifying? Please, that's still wife material, maybe even more than the Vivzieslop Loona.

Now, this?
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This is horrifying. Sure, smile.dog-esque edits are cliche but they're a classic for a reason.
Oh shit new writer and it's an Oneyplays guy

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Given Cusack voices Mammon and Viv got Lyle, how long till Viv gets Zach Hadel on the show

Anyway the short was pretty funny
Alternative ending if it were Cory De La Minguez:
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And the reason so many LGBT people aren't religious is because they want to rebel against it and would clap like seals against any criticism of it, hence why so many of the LGBT crowds into Hazbin and the sister show. Not to mention the lot of them are very much into demon-related things and would gladly talk about going to Hell over Heaven any day. So in the end, they're intentionally proving the Christians right by playing along that one slogan the many of them like to say, "Gays go to hell."

They think it's a gotcha but all it's doing is making lots of people get annoyed at medias bashing on Christianity because it's not only the easiest religion to mock, but the religion you can freely mock without any repercussion. Ironically, it ended up turning the once athiest or questioning religious because of all of things that, once again, the Christians rambled about ended up being true on a lot of levels (the whole 2020s should be the underlying example of this).

So in the end, all Vivzie has done was prove the Christians right while wearing a smug face pretending she's in the early 2000s being subversive. It does not help the things we see IN the show is not a critique of how religion is seen by the LGBT whatsoever. Vivziepop deliberately did all of this. She wanted to be a Hot Topic. She wanted the show to be adult while being as safe edgy as possible. There is no "2deep4me" message. Vivziepop just wanted horny gay demons doing horny gay demons with some half baked angst in between and she got millions off it. That's it.
Very well put - it's rebellion, pure and simple.

I see nothing negative with this. It proves Christianity is resistant to constant bashing, and yet manages to stay relevant.
But don't DARE do it for any other religion, especially Islam.
Much less Judaism. Do you WANT to be sued to oblivion and visit infinity Holocaust museums to apologise?
Your tweet is a commentary on objectively bad takes that is considered in the online theory known as "Dead Internet Theory" thus providing no actual conversation to the topic at hand is considered media illiteracy in its purest form o algo.

I know you're only mad about the criticism because the people who redesign and criticise the show actually goves you points you dont listen to, but go to Viv for it instead so you can hear it. I have seen tons of retards in this fandom get mad about it for any other fandoms.

Your retardation is showing.
More like "Dead (brained) Internet (users) Theory."
 
To be honest, not like they had proper control of their own shit. The Lueftwaffe and Kriegsmarine would butt heads over who should be getting funding for their Wunderwaffle projects (going to pretty much stealing building resources from each other), Goering having his own personal PMC (yes really) that hed happily whore out for extra money or items of luxury, the numerous "only exist on paper" SS divisions that were being funded and supplied, with said supplies horded by the commanders or sold off to other divisions.
Here's a funny story. The Luftwaffe was notoriously bad at signal encryption. The Heer and Kriegsmarine had Enigma ciphers that were never broken by the Allies. The Luftwaffe had all of theirs broken. If I remember correctly, there was one incident when an operator used old codes on a brand new enigma cipher and it was broken almost instantly by the Germans.

Germans also tended to blab a lot about their jobs after work, making them easy fodder for spies.
 
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Saw a bit of coping over Vivzie having a suspicious amount of gay people in Hell.
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Hello, class. I'm Professor Ultraman Orb Dark Noir Black Schwartz, and today, we're going to talk about moving the goalposts.
See, this person dodged the argument by claiming faith in a higher power is what gets you into heaven, unintentionally implying that Nazis have gotten into Heaven in this universe.
Likewise, this person seems to assume that Hell being full of LGBTQ people was intentional, despite it never being referenced. Also, Charlie's goal is to rehabilitate sinners, and she never believes homosexuality is a sin, given she's dating a girl herself.
Again, dodging the question. Nobody ever denied that people like Alastor belonged in Hell. The original post asked why there seems to be more LGBTQ people in Hell (who are also depicted as tragic victims) than actual bigots or fascists.
This is an instance of jumping to conclusions, assuming that if Nazis were in Hazbin Hotel, there would be fanfics made of them.
Yet another instance of jumping to conclusions. Nobody wants to see Charlie interact with Hitler or Simpson. They want the show to acknowledge the fact that Hell is full of dangerous and evil people, not just your average audience for a pride parade.
Moving the goalposts. Charlie has said she believes people can change, and hasn't said there are any limits to that belief. The hotel itself was also created to help rehabilitate sinners, and Charlie hasn't been shown to willingly enable people's bad habits like Angel Dust's drug problems.
Just remember that if you see any combination of 🇵🇸🇺🇦🏳️⚧and/or a hammer and sickle, you’re gonna see a bad fuckin take.
…I have no idea what KF did to the trans flag emoji I put there.
Don't forget watermelon emojis.
 
Crossposted.
Yep I remember that. I always thought they were a bit off when they had Alex Brightman sign a printed picture of their post popular video. But this just takes the cake. And saying they were trying to make a "safe space" for kids with the discord server...who made you the designated individual of keeping children safe online? Your videos aren't even really kid friendly.

The thing is this argument doesn't work here because Viv specifically said that being LGBTQ+ doesn't get you sent to Hell. She also said that people like nazis, terrorists, and pedophiles immediately disappear when they get to Hell. (But being a rapist apparently isn't that big of a crime which...okay?)

There's even a homophobic person in Hell; Katie Killjoy. Heaven doesn't have that. (I know some people might say Lute is one but it seems like she only found Vaggie dating Charlie to be vile because it's between an angel and a demon...and now I'm wondering how Adam and Lute knew Vaggie was dating Charlie in the first place.)
No...no it's not. Viv is at "best" criticizing religion, but definitely not Christianity. She's just taking name from the Bible and the story of mankind fall. Which doesn't even fully follow the Christian's version of because Lilith is there and she's part of Jewish mythology. Not to mention we haven't seen or heard of Jesus yet.

Besides, I always figured Hazbin Hotel to be less of a critique of religion and morality and more of (or at least was) an analytical look into redemption, if everyone deserved a chance and if the worst people in existence could change for the better.
 
It irks me because I like concepts of this show. But it’s so badly put together. Same with Helluva Boss.

You can keep the same characters, but change their motivations and the plots to both series’ and you’d actually have something here.
 
Vivienne just cannot take criticism is the only real takeaway here
She couldn't even let her gay bestie sarcastically roast her a bit in the Helluva Amazon Prime announcement video without having Charlie interrupt to say how amazing and loved she is.

I don't even dislike Hazbin, but the chick has to have the most sensitive ego I've seen since John Kricfalusi.
 
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