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SINSMAS has been discussed to hell and back but I just want to express appreciation for the very end of "I Will Be Okay". They really nailed the expressions here from Octavia's pained face at the start to her resolute look at the end. The sweet-sounding, high-pitched melody with vibrato to drive home that she is a bird she is hurt but ready to move on. Definitely one of the better songs in the show IMO.
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I don't want to see her reconnect with Stolas but I do hope we see more of Via in S3.
 
SINSMAS has been discussed to hell and back but I just want to express appreciation for the very end of "I Will Be Okay". They really nailed the expressions here from Octavia's pained face at the start to her resolute look at the end. The sweet-sounding, high-pitched melody with vibrato to drive home that she is a bird she is hurt but ready to move on. Definitely one of the better songs in the show IMO.
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I don't want to see her reconnect with Stolas but I do hope we see more of Via in S3.
Octavia is a more tragic Spinel.
 
I don't want to see her reconnect with Stolas
Unfortunately, I think all of us will be disappointed on that end. Remember these writers love nothing more than a good therapy session, and there will be nothing more therapeutic for the Stolas’s of the world, than the daughter, who rightly hates her dad, sees that she’s wrong and comes back crying and begging for his forgiveness. And the normies will think it’s a good ending for them as well, because look at the last short, they’re shocked that the amoral assassins did an amoral assassination. It’s all protag centered morality, and Stolas and IMP are the protagonists. In a better world, people would be rooting for Cherub and Dhorks to win against the IMPs, but for some reason everyone thinks the purple sheep cherub will get a ‘redemption arc’. WHAT REDEMPTION DOES HE NEED?! HE’S THE GOOD GUY IN THIS SCENARIO!
 
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Speaking of Stolas, I came across this on quotes on an Elio tweet. The TL;DR there is that Pixar made a flop, revealed that the child protagonist was supposed to be the director’s gay self insert, and now the Disney tards are seething that it could’ve been a hit if they allowed a child to be gay. Ignoring that not a single soul in the test audience wanted to pay money to see the “best version” of the film.
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One, I thought we killed terms like “pure cinnamon roll”. Two, ah yes, such a sweet example of qieer rep. A demon prince who cheated on his wife, neglected his daughter, and belittles his boytoy and makes him feel confused and shitty. Maybe he really is the represhentation they deserve.
 
One, I thought we killed terms like “pure cinnamon roll”. Two, ah yes, such a sweet example of qieer rep. A demon prince who cheated on his wife, neglected his daughter, and belittles his boytoy and makes him feel confused and shitty. Maybe he really is the represhentation they deserve.
That's the problem when everything is "representation, representation, representation." You might just end up using a stereotype no one will like. I completely understand people raising their brows at Viv's hell verse because so many of the characters in Hell are sex-hungry deviant demons and the person in heaven is an alpha male misogynist.


I have seen queer representation from random people on the Internet better than this and it wasn't the center of everything. I've seen an OC couple being a diplomat and a priest, and even if the diplomat were a woman, it won't change much. And the point of the story actually goes where they drift apart actually and the priest becomes a villain in the religious scene trying to become pope and he dies afterwards. See? Very little stereotypes. The only queer stereotypes I've seen there were both being skinny, effete twinks and the priest liking high heels.

In Helluva Boss? They're all demons, sex-addicted, malicious eapecially when cheating on people, and very toxic to each other when it comes to relationships, woth sex being the only driving point. Add that to being femboy twinks who prostitute themselves. What did Viv mean by that?
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It's a real pet peeve of mine when humans are drawn with those pointy fingers, beyond the uncanny effect, it gives them demonic features, I can't feel bad for him if he looks like a human-demon
Speaking of art, I really have the creeping suspicion almost none of the human appearances were designed by Viv. Not even Mr. Wiggles whose design is SUPER SIMPLE to draw and even animate.

I noticed Viv constantly draws furries and beings with animal and supernatural features because she most probably sucks so bad at making pure human beings look distinct from each other in some way. The details, colors, fur growth direction, muzzles, feet, horns, teeth, and tails of furries are easier to depict than distinct human features.
 
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Speaking of Stolas, I came across this on quotes on an Elio tweet. The TL;DR there is that Pixar made a flop, revealed that the child protagonist was supposed to be the director’s gay self insert, and now the Disney tards are seething that it could’ve been a hit if they allowed a child to be gay. Ignoring that not a single soul in the test audience wanted to pay money to see the “best version” of the film.
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One, I thought we killed terms like “pure cinnamon roll”. Two, ah yes, such a sweet example of qieer rep. A demon prince who cheated on his wife, neglected his daughter, and belittles his boytoy and makes him feel confused and shitty. Maybe he really is the represhentation they deserve.
God that outfit on him was horrible. The stupid boob window for his feathers. And that outfit made him look like a clown. Paimon would be so disappointed in his son kill yourself Stolass
 
I noticed Viv constantly draws furries and beings with animal and supernatural features because she most probably sucks so bad at making pure human beings look distinct from each other in some way.
yep.

This is Jackie from Zoophobia:
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this is Camilla, from the same comic:
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Put these two in the exact same clothes and hair color; I guarantee you wouldn't be able to tell them apart.
 
If anyone's in the mood for some angsty fanwork I found a comic that's 3edgy5me but well-drawn. Here's one of the funnier pages:
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Oh good God, not this one. This was actually discussed before in the forum, and is one of the most sociopathic comics I ever had the displeasure of reading.

Edit: Is the new one just as unhinged and fanficy with how things go down?
 
Oh good God, not this one. This was actually discussed before in the forum, and is one of the most sociopathic comics I ever had the displeasure of reading.

Edit: Is the new one just as unhinged and fanficy with how things go down?
Oops, I accidentally searched for the title of the second one before posting. Sorry about that.

The second one is tryhard misery porn. It's funny in a kind of narm-y way.

Edit: to give a summary: Stella tries to kill Stolas with a blessed pistol. Striker is holding Octavia at knifepoint and forcing her to watch because reasons, I guess?

Anyway, I.M.P. busts in and Striker gets killed. Blitzo stabs Stella with a blessed dagger just as she's about to kill Stolas and she squeezes the trigger as she goes down. Stella, despite being in the middle of getting stabbed and just pulling the trigger without aiming, somehow nails her daughter square in the center of the torso. Via and Stolas have an "emotional" scene where she dies in his arms and he lets out a Vader-esque NNNOOOOOOOO!!!! The end.
 
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God that outfit on him was horrible. The stupid boob window for his feathers. And that outfit made him look like a clown. Paimon would be so disappointed in his son kill yourself Stolass
It's also so obviously sexualized, you know in case it wasn't clear that Stolas is gay. I know we complain all the time about the female characters but the males aren't any far better specially the twinks who only exist to be eye candy for the fujos.

And in all honesty, I wouldn't really care if they just dropped all the pretense of these shows trying to be some kind of uplifting story about oppressed minorities or whatever and just went: "Yeah, we like to draw hot babes and smoking dudes so what?"
Case on point:
 
Oops, I accidentally searched for the title of the second one before posting. Sorry about that.
No need to apologize lol, it’s actually good to pick up on this kind of thing because I was wondering if it was a niche pattern. Turns out it is. Apparently misery porn is a thing in this community
Edit: to give a summary: Stella tries to kill Stolas with a blessed pistol. Striker is holding Octavia at knifepoint and forcing her to watch because reasons, I guess?

Anyway, I.M.P. busts in and Striker gets killed. Blitzo stabs Stella with a blessed dagger just as she's about to kill Stolas and she squeezes the trigger as she goes down. Stella, despite being in the middle of getting stabbed and just pulling the trigger without aiming, somehow nails her daughter square in the center of the torso. Via and Stolas have an "emotional" scene where she dies in his arms and he lets out a Vader-esque NNNOOOOOOOO!!!! The end.
The artist didn’t like Sinsmas, did they?
 
One, I thought we killed terms like “pure cinnamon roll”. Two, ah yes, such a sweet example of qieer rep. A demon prince who cheated on his wife, neglected his daughter, and belittles his boytoy and makes him feel confused and shitty. Maybe he really is the represhentation they deserve.
These people really forget all the shitty things that Stolas has done because he's sad and he cries. Blitzø is the exception to how Stolas treats the lower class.
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They'll say Stella treats them like shit, but Stolas isn't much better. Speaking of:
If anyone's in the mood for some angsty fanwork I found a comic that's 3edgy5me but well-drawn. Here's one of the funnier pages:
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I don't know why people assume Stella was physically abusive to Stolas before the affair. Because she was about to slap him that one time...which he caught by the way? Before the affair, all we saw was Stella make petty remarks about Stolas. And Stolas was mostly just annoyed by her, not terrified or cowering. She didn't start throwing shit around and yelling until after the affair.

And may I remind you that the affair had been going on for quite a while at that point. Episode 2 is not the day after the first time Stolas and Blitzø fucked. It's after another time. Which makes sense for why Stella is reacting the way she is. She caught them doing in in their bed; AGAIN. No wonder Octavia is used to this whole ordel by now. Her mom screeching at her dad and her dad just obsessing over this random imp has been going for at least a month. Maybe even longer.
 
the males aren't any far better specially the twinks who only exist to be eye candy for the fujos
"B-but the men do it all the time with women! And write women poorly, too! And it's women exclusively for the evil men!" Well guess what - Viv is a woman doing exactly this and she's a woman! In fact, I've been seeing people practically begging for ACTUAL Millie development.




yep.

This is Jackie from Zoophobia:
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this is Camilla, from the same comic:
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Put these two in the exact same clothes and hair color; I guarantee you wouldn't be able to tell them apart.
This is Stolas and Vassago all over again. I look at those two and if I didn't know better, I'd say they were siblings if shown a photo with no context. Vassago is just Stolas recovered with glasses, like a tracer with a base made him.

Which reminds me, are Jackie and Camilla supposed to be bird people? The colors scream "macaw" to me. Way to go for Viv making her animal characters somewhat unidentifiable, too, unless they have visible tails, ears, and fangs. I haven't seen Jackie's legs, though, and I have a feeling they could at least be identified through the thickness if their legs and thighs. Jackie looks skinnier, so maybe there's a fairer chance of identifying who's who.


You know what show does a good job at making characters of the same species somewhat identifiable with birds? Rio.


Vassago and Stolas are of TWO DIFFERENT SPECIES and somehow look too similar. I don't even know what Stella is even supposed to be! Is she a peacock? An eagle? Others said swan (ffs I swear if Viv can't draw a SWAN'S BILL to make it identifiable for shit). I'm sure we assumed she was another owl at first. A secretary bird? This is assuming their father is another bird species or a shapeshifter.

The bills of birds are their most prominent feature along with their tails and legs. If Vivziepop is so obsessed with making animal features so prominent, she could do that with birds! Like. Stolas is the owl with a small beak but give him long legs just like the picture in the real goetia. Andrealphus is a peacock, so make his beak longer and straighter and make his tail more prominent. Vassago is a parrot, so make his beak curvier like in the Rio pics I put here and the color explains itself. Stella is a secretary bird, so make her beak straighter (showing she's related to Andy) and her legs thicker with bigger calves like Camilla because secretary birds are good kickers (but we cannot see Stella in other outfits despite her being a vain character, only Stolas, which speaks volumes on how Viv views her - the excuse of "female Goetias cannot wear pants or short clothing" won't work because Via wears pants and a background goetia is shown wearing a short skirt though that was someome's self-insert).

Birds are a varied species. It's just how viv chooses to draw.
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If anyone's in the mood for some angsty fanwork I found a comic that's 3edgy5me but well-drawn.

This one is so weirdly written cause it's meant to make Stella evil for poisoning Stolas but (ignore the illogical premise since stolas is immortal) that it was always her goal somehow, then Stolas decides Blitzo must kill her.

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What do you mean "she was planning since the marriage" lol you were both kids with no choice, why didn't she kill you earlier (this comic is post season 2). You don't even have to retcon stella like this geez.

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Why do you care Stolas? I thought you would never want to stay around Stella anyway and you waste money yourself.

The slap drawing so much blood is funny too because Stella should have no means of harming Stolas whatsoever, he should dodge it easily and teleport away if necessary, this bad powerscaling really breaks my immersion /sneed.

And then it evolves into unironic torture porn where they cripple and gun down Stella, kick and spit on her corpse wtf. Then stolas and blitzo have gay sex 2 pages later. It's like a parody of stella haters.

I also find hilarious that Blitzo has to introduce himself to octavia after stolas dies and explains he was his lover, because the writer forgot she knows him and Stolas didn't tell her. It just makes stolas look like an asshole who still kept fucking blitzo in secret and didn't spend time with his daughter.

Stella, despite being in the middle of getting stabbed and just pulling the trigger without aiming, somehow nails her daughter square in the center of the torso.

wow i never seen a person yell "I HATE WOMEN I WANT THEM TO DIE SO GAY MAN CAN BE SAD" like this, artist makes vivzie look a feminist.
 
Seeing this thread go from light glazing to a chat room casually dunking on viv's shows has been kino, but I had trouble finding the anon ex-employee reviews and s2 leaks. That should be on the first page alongside twitter tea (written by viv meme, scott cawthon dox), the kendraws doc, the pilot va betrayal, basically anything a kiwi who doesn't know what the fuck a fucking hazbin hotel is can look at and go "fuck, fuck this show".

At the same time, the thread's lack of focus on the physical media produced by viv is just as much of a testament to how conceptually impotent both shows are. Everyone here talks about "stolas could have been x" and "alastor could have been x" as points of contention, but no one dwindles on what the characters are in the show. Because its more fun to discuss all the things these demons from hell could have been compared to what the show is, which makes me wonder if OP should have a big list of kiwi au's instead.

Then again, shitbin motel people are just as retarded as viv fans. They tried this au shit too. A lot of them redesign the show completely instead of refining the characters, like they're so deaf with their viv-hatred that they can't sharpen the designs already there.

Speaking of, has there been any shitbin motel equivalent for helluva?
 
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