Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Castoreum]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=FaxaruqM_E8
Well, this ought to be interesting. I'll admit that the hatedom for this show can be just as unhinged as the fandom, but I'm also curious to know if Sai actually thinks that Helluva Boss is a good show or not.

I'm subbed to this lady (not Sai, the tiger furry*) on YT, and she released a vid about Juneteenth recently where she bitched in the comments that other people aren't allowed to criticize the video because it's a space for BLACK people and BLACK people NEED representation in media blah blah blah.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

I'm subbed to this lady on YT, and she released a vid about Juneteenth recently where she bitched in the comments that other people aren't allowed to criticize the video because it's a space for BLACK people and BLACK people NEED representation in media blah blah blah.

Okay, so this makes
>her
opinion automatically discarded.

 

[LucasSomething]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=FaxaruqM_E8
Well, this ought to be interesting. I'll admit that the hatedom for this show can be just as unhinged as the fandom, but I'm also curious to know if Sai actually thinks that Helluva Boss is a good show or not.

I watched this youtuber sometimes and they're really good at shitting on lily orchard but i've seen random glimpses of them defending vivzie midway and spouting top quotes like "Lucifer is an amazing depiction of realistic autism" and it felt like they're just a retard looking smart by punching an easy target.

I expect a lot of "ahem, media literacy???", "stolas is too deep for you" and "the haters are homophobic acshually".

Also, i searched that name and apparently i already watched ArtieceTB videos.

https://www.youtube.com/@ArteiceTB/videos

I don't remember the exact video but i think she actually liked the show until full moon and stolas for being a hypocrite and remember her criticisms being reasonable.

Saying stella was wasted? YIKES! That is not allowed in this fandom sweetie. You're getting the premium homophobic card and the trump voter accusations for this one.

Okay, so this makes
>her
opinion automatically discarded.

It's a """Her""" too oh no...

 

[InJailOutSoon]

I'm already not liking this video and it hasn't even premiered yet. How many dollars you bet her "homophobic" takes are her reasonable criticisms, or better yet, her daring to question that Stolitz is an unforgivably toxic relationship that became one of the major reasons behind the show's decline in popularity and relevancy that even the most dedicated, strongest Stolitz soldiers are starting to agree upon? Criticizing the ship that made many people leave the show is not "homophobic". Is she homophobic because she's not glazing Stolitz to the high seas? Is she homophobic because she dare to say anything mean about poor, dindu-nuffin wrong Stolas? Is she homophobic because of her complaints about him prioritizing an imp he only sees through a sexual and then manipulative lense over his daughter numerous times? Heck if I know.

I've watched through Artiece's HB videos. They weren't just blatant hatred for the show (at least, at first) but slowly did become such a thing by the time Seaosn 2 ended. Yeah, the hatedom for the show is as ridiculous and filled with easily sensitive genderspecials like with the defenders, but at least over here in KF, we can all express our anger and straight up exhaustion with the show without being dogpiled for it. The hatedom outside of KF is the opposite of that, really.

And we all know that "Unhinged queen" just translates to "She crashed out about the show prioritizing an unnecessary ship over an actual, engaging story and world.". Assuming here, though. We'll see in six hours on what her opinions are in the rant. I have a strong feeling she's either gonna defend the show till no end or don't like the show but

I watched this youtuber sometimes and they're really good at shitting on lily orchard but i've seen random glimpses of them defending vivzie midway and spouting top quotes like "Lucifer is an amazing depiction of realistic autism" and it felt like they're just a retard looking smart by punching an easy target.

I expect a lot of "ahem, media literacy???", "stolas is too deep for you" and "the haters are homophobic acshually".

This doesn't look promising. Come on Sai. You have to admit that in season 1 "mincing predatory gay man" was what Stolas was.

 

[Baphometkun]

I've heard about Sai, and after doing a bit of browsing, she seems to lump anyone who despises and/or critiques the show(s) into the "hatedom" category. Some of the people I've seen her talk about actually aren't that bad and bring up very valid points discussed here on the farms. They do like the show, but they have gripes with the weird sudden shift to gay drama and disjointed storyline that many rightfully have reason to criticize or comment on. You can argue some of these people are just regular fans or average viewers that wanna throw their two cents in. Some are notably different in comparison to the rabid Vivzie glazers and rabid hate crowd. Sai is just some bitter 40+ woman child that's honestly just as retarded as the hatedom at times.

 

[ChiliChumper]

A Court of Thorns and Roses, is it bad in the sense that you literally can’t read it, or bad in the sense of HB/HH and it’s a slow motion train wreck you can’t look away from?

Bad in the sense of everyone and their mother was telling me, as a fantasy/fiction enjoyer that it was a "Must Read" and it's just horny fujoslop wish fulfillment by a white woman in her 40s.

Not for nothing, I get it. I've read plenty of corny fanfiction.

But those people are amateurs, so how much hate can I really throw?

But once you reach the level of someone like Vizzie or Sarah Maas, dammit you should want to do better. Not just for your audience but for yourself.

They don't care. Because fujoslop sells.

 

[Autistic Gunspergings]

If the hatedom is so cringe, why is it so fun to shitpost in this thread?

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Then you have those missing the forest through the trees like in the chicken flu episode of Boondocks. You got comments saying, "This is just like COVID!" only to miss the important detail of how the government and media will whip people up into a panic over something that is not as deadly as it's made to be.

This even happened in the 90s with an episode of Babylon 5.

You mean, two-to-three years ago after Trump already had his four-year presidential run and was still relevant in the media, because the democrats allowed him to?

It's relevant the same way RWBY doing a 2016 election allegory in late 2019 was revenant.

Good point. Worldbuilding is necessary and I would risk saying it is something you got to have done before you even have your story ready. At the very least, where the story takes place.

I will give an ounce of credit on the team: I believe Vivianne did write about Hell and Heaven. She needed to flesh it, and how it would affect our world. Furthermore, does it work as a "Alice In Wonderland"/Narnia setpiece? Meaning, parallel world to ours, where there's interactibility? Of course. But what about humans who want to access Hell and do things in it? Take a concept from Doom, where Argent D' Nur, where you have a hellish landscape. Using "demonic" energy to solve an energy crisis on Earth. There is potential.

Even if it seems "boring", the writing has to be developed. I'm sure on GRRM's case, he didn't have Essos done by the time A Game of Thrones was published - just Westeros and the Free Cities of the Narrow Sea. "Essos" got its name only after A Feast of Crows was released, by 2008. So there is some leeway here and there. Yet you must absolutely need to have cultures, ideas and certain things laid down, even if you want to do "L.A. but gayer and written by a fujoshi".

It's why I believe that of all shows, Thomas the Tank Engine has better worldbuilding then the Hellaverse because its creator gave a shit about the world.

The stories started when Wilbert Awdry needed to entertain his sick son, but because he knew so much about trains, he applied his knowledge to the stories. When an illustrator for his books drew one engine inconsistently, he worked that into a story by having that design lead to said engine have trouble functioning. Real-life engines like the Flying Scotsman were turned into characters and were treated like celebrities. When real-life railways started to use diesel engines in the 50s, he worked that into the worldbuilding by establishing Sodor as a safe haven for steam engines.

Awdry didn't have to acknowledge the drawing error or real-world events, but he chose to because he cared about fleshing out his world. He wanted the Island of Sodor to feel like a real place that operates like any other railway... even if said railway only had talking engines, coaches, freight cars, and breakvans.

With Viv, she clearly doesn't know a lot about Christianity or the dichotomy between Heaven and Hell other than how pop culture depicts them, which is why the worldbuilding falls so flat in her show.

Lucifer is an amazing depiction of realistic autism

Oh yeah, I'm sure autistic people feel super represented by the literal devil being like them.

 

[LucasSomething]

I've heard about Sai, and after doing a bit of browsing, she seems to lump anyone who despises and/or critiques the show(s) into the "hatedom" category. Some of the people I've seen her talk about actually aren't that bad and bring up very valid points discussed here on the farms. They do like the show, but they have gripes with the weird sudden shift to gay drama and disjointed storyline that many rightfully have reason to criticize or comment on. You can argue some of these people are just regular fans or average viewers that wanna throw their two cents in. Some are notably different in comparison to the rabid Vivzie glazers and rabid hate crowd. Sai is just some bitter 40+ woman child that's honestly just as retarded as the hatedom at times.

"Woman"child indeed, there has to be a joke somewher about creators who mock lilty orchard or mr enterman manage to be even worse or more autistic about a different cartoon for children.

It's not like Artiece is someone who deserves mockery like lily too, it's a random small youtuber with reasonable takes so attacking their content live people your fans asked is a low blow. Her content seems politically progressive sure it seems positive while the majority of Sai's content is shitting on Lily orchard or drama.

If anything Sai is the cringy obcessed hater here.

If the hatedom is so cringe, why is it so fun to shitpost in this thread?

 

[King Metalia]

If the hatedom is so cringe, why is it so fun to shitpost in this thread?

Because we know how to shit post good here at the farms. None of that harassment try hard edge Lord bullshit like Reddit or Twitter.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

Because we know how to shit post good here at the farms. None of that harassment try hard edge Lord bullshit like Reddit or Twitter.

Twitter could never draw or joke about Uncle Ruckus whipping Alastor like the nigga deer he is.

 

[ssaneenah]

Twitter could never draw or joke about Uncle Ruckus whipping Alastor like the nigga deer he is.

That art still slaps.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Currently joined the stream of Sai and I already can see that she follows a lot of the fandom points, and pretty much just accuses people who criticize Stolitz as homophobia. Also she doesn't seem to understand that most of the people who do criticize Helluva Boss were at one point fans of the show.

 

[Kid Named Rocket]

Currently joined the stream of Sai and I already can see that she follows a lot of the fandom points, and pretty much just accuses people who criticize Stolitz as homophobia. Also she doesn't seem to understand that most of the people who do criticize Helluva Boss were at one point fans of the show.

>Helluva fan is a retarded shitlib
News at 11.

Also here's some memes:

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

Currently joined the stream of Sai and I already can see that she follows a lot of the fandom points, and pretty much just accuses people who criticize Stolitz as homophobia. Also she doesn't seem to understand that most of the people who do criticize Helluva Boss were at one point fans of the show.

I’m watching the stream too as background noise, it’s only been like five minutes and I’m already greatly tempted to watch something else. I watched some of Sai’s videos on Lily, and I guess the focus being on a worse cow distracted me from how insufferable she is.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

I’m watching the stream too as background noise, it’s only been like five minutes and I’m already greatly tempted to watch something else. I watched some of Sai’s videos on Lily, and I guess the focus being on a worse cow distracted me from how insufferable she is.

She also is fine with saying retarded as a reclaimed slur, but let's offended when people do it with queer.

 

[LucasSomething]

Currently joined the stream of Sai and I already can see that she follows a lot of the fandom points, and pretty much just accuses people who criticize Stolitz as homophobia. Also she doesn't seem to understand that most of the people who do criticize Helluva Boss were at one point fans of the show.

The best/worst part is that any glance at Arteice channel or social media would make it obvious she is a progressive black lgbt woman so going the route of "hating stolas = homophobia" is a bold choice.

Unrelated but this reminds me that vivzie canonized Stolas as GAY gay in the pride art meaning he's not bisexual or interested in women. It just hit me that this means Stolas never loved Stella. Sure, gay angst and no choice suck but if he was bisexual you could argued he loved a woman once but he never loved any.

Stella would never be able to make him happy, she never had a chance...

She also is fine with saying retarded as a reclaimed slur, but let's offended when people do it with queer.

Oh god, is "she" one of those people who say "I'm self diagnosed autistic so i can say retarded"?

I glanced right now for 5 seconds and "she" goes "Wow so Stolas is wrong for wanting to explore his sexuality once in his life?" and yeah, this shit is too cringe for me, good luck to the warriors.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Unrelated but this reminds me that vivzie canonized Stolas as GAY gay in the pride art meaning he's not bisexual or interested in women. It just hit me that this means Stolas never loved Stella. Sure, gay angst and no choice suck but if he was bisexual you could argued he loved a woman once but he never loved any.

Stella would never be able to make him happy, she never had a chance...

I really think that Stolas and Stella were initially a couple who were in love before, but it was changed after the show wanted to focus on the Stolitz drama instead of the dark office comedy. Why else would the gay man and woman who alway hated this man sleep together in the same bed even after they produced a cautionary heir, even up to the affair?

I glanced right now for 5 seconds and "she" goes "Wow so Stolas is wrong for wanting to explore his sexuality once in his life?" and yeah, this shit is too cringe for me, good luck to the warriors.

She keeps bringing up that Brandon is gay and wanted Stolitz to be end game. And all I can think is..."so?" Just because he wanted Stolitz to be a thing in the show, Viv has been mainly writing season 2, not Brandon. And even if every idea for Stolitz was Brandon's idea, that doesn't automatically make the very shitty writing suddenly okay. Just because the wirter is gay and is making a gay relationship, doesn't mean that the writing won't suck. Hell, a lot of fucking straight people can't write good straight relationships.

 

[King Metalia]

Twitter could never draw or joke about Uncle Ruckus whipping Alastor like the nigga deer he is.

I need Uncle Ruckus in Hazbin Hotel now.
I need him to tell Alastor the following line.
"N**** GET YOUR BLACK ASS OUT OF HERE!!!!"

 

[Niggerphobe]

I need Uncle Ruckus in Hazbin Hotel now.
I need him to tell Alastor the following line.
"N**** GET YOUR BLACK ASS OUT OF HERE!!!!"

Nigger*