Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[InJailOutSoon]

Very damn nice! The poor man is overworked, perhaps "entitled" to indulge in a few pleasures in life, but also wants to prove himself. Now that's how he should be.

I do like how not only us Kiwifarmers but the majority of people see Adam as this tragic character. I don't know how Viv managed to do this TWICE unintentionally.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

No offense but did you really need to ask AI why a popular IP would get cheap knock offs because almost everything gets bootlegs these days even stuff like Amazing Digital Circus and Poppy Playtime.

Hell bootlegging popular stuff has been a phenomenon for decades since The Simpsons also got bootlegs.

Someone clearly hasn’t seen the bootlegged ghetto/gangsta SpongeBob and Looney Tunes t-shirts from the 2000s.

 

[King Metalia]

I do like how not only us Kiwifarmers but the majority of people see Adam as this tragic character. I don't know how Viv managed to do this TWICE unintentionally.

Adam was most definitely based as well as tragic if you ask me. The man did as he pleased consequences be damned. Viv fucked up hard getting rid of him after only one season.

 

[A Grey Cat]

No offense but did you really need to ask AI why a popular IP would get cheap knock offs because almost everything gets bootlegs these days even stuff like Amazing Digital Circus and Poppy Playtime.

Hell bootlegging popular stuff has been a phenomenon for decades since The Simpsons also got bootlegs.

Like i said Was bored...and by ai I meant Google which is pretty much nothing but ai now to awnser whatever people ask it.

I'm surprised spindlehorse has openly addressed the fans, "please don't buy anything with hazbin or helluva on it unless it's from sharkrobot, hot topic, or whatever that third storefront they set up is called. You'd think they wouldn't care what some chinks in China do for a quick buck, oh right they're chinks in China making trinkets and baubles of hazbin/helluva without Turing a profit for vivzie/spindlehorse/amazon.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Objection, he's been to Heaven before!!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PidAAOdwa0M

I like to imagine that 1:44 onwards was Alastor's first reaction to ending up in Hell, realizing he lost basically all of his melanin and curly hair.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Adam was most definitely based as well as tragic if you ask me. The man did as he pleased consequences be damned. Viv fucked up hard getting rid of him after only one season.

That's why he's coming back as Lute's hallucination in season 2.

Edit: You know, I also realize that Stella is kind of based too. Everyone else is crying and being an emotional wreck in the show, but she keeps going without a care in the world.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I do like how not only us Kiwifarmers but the majority of people see Adam as this tragic character. I don't know how Viv managed to do this TWICE unintentionally.

I'd say Adam is in a more charitable position (to Vivzie anyway) because while he's seen as tragic a lot of people can still see him work as a villainous role but recognize some sadness can be found in him.

It probably helps Adam has clearly some power and choice that the OTHER unintentionally tragic character lacks who is in a worse position.

Adam was most definitely based as well as tragic if you ask me. The man did as he pleased consequences be damned. Viv fucked up hard getting rid of him after only one season.

Best or Worst case scenario is that Vivzie decides to put in the Demon Adam idea which is really popular in her fandom and proposed here many times.

Like I can see it happen due to Adam's VA being a series regular and someone Vivzie clearly likes to have around. He's already going to be a hallucination for Lute.

Like i said Was bored...and by ai I meant Google which is pretty much nothing but ai now to awnser whatever people ask it.

I'm surprised spindlehorse has openly addressed the fans, "please don't buy anything with hazbin or helluva on it unless it's from sharkrobot, hot topic, or whatever that third storefront they set up is called. You'd think they wouldn't care what some chinks in China do for a quick buck, oh right they're chinks in China making trinkets and baubles of hazbin/helluva without Turing a profit for vivzie/spindlehorse/amazon.

Well it doesn't help that a lot of merch profit does go into funding at least Helluva Boss since almost every indie or indie-adjacent creator has a merch deal.

 

[brownsuagrbubbletea]

it's edgy"

It’s only edgy if you’re a 68 yr old mother in cali. It’s only edgy enough to offend boomer parents but not too edgy to drive away their tween audience

 

[Viper the rappah]

I like to imagine that 1:44 onwards was Alastor's first reaction to ending up in Hell, realizing he lost basically all of his melanin and curly hair.

"THANK LAWD THE WHITE MAN"

 

[brownsuagrbubbletea]

i'm sure this is the right thread but turns out someone we brought up here knows about us.

if this person is lurking hello!

 

[LucasSomething]

I don't think Viv understands why Beatrice Horseman's backstory worked. While Beatrice herself was a pretty shitty person, there were instances before we got to the backstory episode that showed she wasn't just some one-dimensional bitch that existed to solely antagonize Bojack.

Stella is just a one-dimensional bitch that is solely here to give Stolas sympathy. That's it. There's no nuance to her or any reason for why she acts the way she does; she just does thing to hurt Stolas fee-fees. Any chance that could have been given to expand on Stella has been wasted.

I don't trust Viv writing a backstory episode for Stella. She did a terrible job on writing one for Stolas as it didn't even expand that much on his history and only really showed how he fell in love with Blitzø. And even if Stella's backstory episode was the best written episode of the series, it wouldn't really matter in the end. Because Stella is so flat as a character, anything that was told or shown to us in the past wouldn't really matter to the present. Viv has made it quite clear that Stella is just a dumb bitch that hates Stolas because. Anything we get on Stella in the past to make her more complex would just feel like a completely different character at this point.

Mark my words, Stella's "backstory" is going to be vague nondescript daddy issues and she was scared of her father, so she lashed out on Stolas ever since they were kids because he never argued back until the divorce.

It gives her the right amount of fake depth via freudian excuse while still making it clear Stella is 100% wrong and Stolas is 100% innocent.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Mark my words, Stella's "backstory" is going to be vague nondescript daddy issues and she was scared of her father, so she lashed out on Stolas ever since they were kids because he never argued back until the divorce.

It gives her the right amount of fake depth via freudian excuse while still making it clear Stella is 100% wrong and Stolas is 100% innocent.

And Stolas fans still act like this girl who was forced to be married to a gay man with 100 times more power than her is still not worth sympathizing towards.

Like I really don't think any of Vivzie's other characters can really come close to being as unintentionally sympathetic as Stella.

Adam had a lot of agency, and chose to be sadistic even if his circumstances are tragic, meanwhile Stella is forced to fuck a gay man because of political powers that be.

 

[Catboi]

And Stolas fans still act like this girl who was forced to be married to a gay man with 100 times more power than her is still not worth sympathizing towards.

Like I really don't think any of Vivzie's other characters can really come close to being as unintentionally sympathetic as Stella.

Adam had a lot of agency, and chose to be sadistic even if his circumstances are tragic, meanwhile Stella is forced to fuck a gay man because of political powers that be.

As much as Stolas whinges about how he "tried to make it work" HE'S the one who cheated on Stella, was a self aborbed wreck, and openly loathed her as much as she loathed him. I don't understand how he's framed so sympathetically and people believe it.

"Ohhh but boo hoo he had to marry a woman" Like Stella didn't also have to marry someome she's not attracted to whatsoever who she's forced to have sex with ON TOP of being the one giving birth. All Stolas did was sit there and cum in her a few times.

 

[LucasSomething]

As much as Stolas whinges about how he "tried to make it work" HE'S the one who cheated on Stella, was a self aborbed wreck, and openly loathed her as much as she loathed him. I don't understand how he's framed so sympathetically and people believe it.

Because it's literally "tell don't show" and it's stolas telling and he is good while stella is evil so it must be true. If Stella said the same thing people would accuse her of "gaslighting" Stolas, despite her word being just as valid.

It's absurd how their entire marriage hinges on one very forced line from one narcissist talking down to someone he hates. Stolas lied about not looking down on Blitzo (actually gaslit him) and kept lying to octavia so, like i mentioned long ago, him insisted he "tried so many years to make it work" with Stella is unreliable at best.

But if you dare give Stella any benefit of doubt the fans will call you insane and media iliterate. Stolas said he's innocent so it's the truth.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

It gets even worse because Stella and Stolas are supposed to hate each other, yet Stolas didn't bother to just do ways to get Stella impregnated without having sex with her. Like I'm pretty sure given how high status Stolas is, he would be able to do shit like this, hell these demons are magical so they could even do stuff like that, but nope.

 

[Niggerphobe]

Would uncle ruckus Rodney king or give fraudlastor the floyd fent knee hold

 

[RavioliHabit]

Speaking of "Tell, don't show" that's a little gripe I have with how they handled Alastor in Hazbin too. In the show, we just hear that oh, he was famous for his radio show, but we have no idea what it sounded like or what he even did in any flashbacks besides broadcasting screams. We never see him doing anything remotely involved with radio until that one moment in Stayed Gone. At least Pilot Alastor had his microphone with the laugh track and radio filter and he was putting on an actual 1930s-ish Transatlantic "broadcaster" voice.

Also in Hell's Greatest Dad "Who makes you chuckle with an old-timey pun? Your executive producer!"- sure, Pilot Alastor cracked a few jokes, but when has he ever told a joke or said an old-timey pun in the show? He's supposed to be a rascal, what happened to that? (Also Ed Bosco would have absolutely killed in the show, I'm still salty about that. We could have had this.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Stella responds to negativity with yelling and aggressiveness, while Stolas responds to it with crying and drawing into himself. Most people are going to feel more sympathy towards someone who is "sad" instead of someone who is "angry".

Similar thing happened in Full Moon, with Blitzø yelling at Stolas while Stolas was walking away from him. Blitzø is not acting in the most healthiest of ways, but you can't deny that this is from holding in his own feelings for so long. You can't deny that Blitzø is dealing with his own pain here, and Stolas is just not listening to this.

This is a main issue that Stolas has, but the show doesn't acknowledge, that's Stolas is a terrible listener. He either doesn't notice or blatantly ignores the obvious issues around him until it blows up to the worst of circumstances. For fuck's sake, when his own daughter said she would rather kill herself than go to a theme park, he's like "Okay then, let's go. And let me bring along the man I am currently having an affair with as well." There isn't some hidden underlying message of what Octavia's saying; she made it very clear that she doesn't want to go. Why should I think he acted any different towards Stella when he treats his daughter, the one person that he cares for and loves the most like this?

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Stella responds to negativity with yelling and aggressiveness, while Stolas responds to it with crying and drawing into himself. Most people are going to feel more sympathy towards someone who is "sad" instead of someone who is "angry".

Similar thing happened in Full Moon, with Blitzø yelling at Stolas while Stolas was walking away from him. Blitzø is not acting in the most healthiest of ways, but you can't deny that this is from holding in his own feelings for so long. You can't deny that Blitzø is dealing with his own pain here, and Stolas is just not listening to this.

This is a main issue that Stolas has, but the show doesn't acknowledge, that's Stolas is a terrible listener. He either doesn't notice or blatantly ignores the obvious issues around him until it blows up to the worst of circumstances. For fuck's sake, when his own daughter said she would rather kill herself than go to a theme park, he's like "Okay then, let's go. And let me bring along the man I am currently having an affair with as well." There isn't some hidden underlying message of what Octavia's saying; she made it very clear that she doesn't want to go. Why should I think he acted any different towards Stella when he treats his daughter, the one person that he cares for and loves the most like this?

It doesn't help Stolas pretty much handles his emotions with the complexity of a teenage girl and Helluva Boss' (and Hazbin Hotel's by extension) main demographic are teenage girls and childish women who will relate to the crying manbaby more than someone who expresses their emotions through anger.

Nor does it help Vivzie bothers to acknowledge any other perspectives beyond throwing a tiny bone saying that Stolas is not aware of how he comes across while the series continuously awards him.

Him facing consequences in Mastermind means shit since he's an immortal being who will get his powers back in his lifetime, and its framed as a selfless act of love. Octavia cutting ties with him too means nothing since let's be real, she's going to fucking come back for him and be fine with his affair, like otherwise that whole scene where Bltizo refuses to kill the gay family would be pointless since it is foreshadowing with the subtelty of an anchor.

 

[LucasSomething]

It gets even worse because Stella and Stolas are supposed to hate each other, yet Stolas didn't bother to just do ways to get Stella impregnated without having sex with her. Like I'm pretty sure given how high status Stolas is, he would be able to do shit like this, hell these demons are magical so they could even do stuff like that, but nope.

I don't think its possible to use magic to impregnate someone, or else you KNOW vivzie would already canonized male pregnancy and confirm stolas birthed Octavia.

edit: Yall are rating me islamic cause ya know it's true. It's more likely that Vivzie never thought about but if she wants to end Helluva Boss with Blitzo and Stolas getting their own baby (possible) she will find a way to impregnate Stolas.